re: the thread derailment, i'm always shocked at how much a lot of yanks distrust their government. it must be related to the size of the country or something, when somebody might be in washington state getting orders from DC across the country.
you vote these people in! do you really think they're that evil?
It's not just the US Government.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKZ5AOt7Ybg]Is Government Evil? - YouTube[/ame]
It could be the the 2.1 million in prison (more than Stalin ever had), the majority of whom have never harmed anyone. It could be that prison labor is sold off at $2 an hour to those with Government connections (literally slave labor). It could be that while the prisons are funded with public money, the profits go to the private corporations that run them. So they are in reality for profit slave factories, with big money behind them, and very real incentive to stay at maximum capacity. Many of the contracts stipulate the state must keep them at 75% or more.
I'd say that most rational people would look at that and say it's pretty fucking evil.
Check out the GEO Group website.
$1.5 Billion last year, continuous and steady growth. Aggressively expanding. Great investment for the long-haul. We'll need more prisoners though.
Or it could be that the Government has killed at least 8 Million people (probably many more) over the last 50 years. Yeah, 500k child deaths is always "worth it".
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo]Madeleine Albright Defends Mass-Murder of iraqi Children (500,000 Children dead) - YouTube[/ame]
And if torture, democide and widespread kidnapping aren't enough for you, how about extortion and theft?
If I don't pay them to kidnap and murder people, they will kidnap or murder me.
And theft doesn't stop at taxation. They've manipulated this economy into the ground and literally robbed the entire nation of any real wealth. In every Government endeavour losses are socialized, profits are privatized.
How the hell does anyone look at this and think anything but "that is fucking evil"?
I'm always shocked at how anyone can trust their Government.