Bitcoin hits $100

The buyer thought he got that Porshce for $35k but 2 weeks later those bitcoins are worth almost $55k so he got fucked royally. So what incentive does anyone have to actually spend their bitcoins if they risk losing significant money by not holding onto them?

I keep hearing this talk about all these new merchants accepting Bitcoin which sounds good, but as a customer I would never want to spend them as the price is shooting up, and as a merchant I would never want to accept them as the price plummets.

That's a HUGE problem.

This is the mentality that is going to cause the price to keep going up, until one day, everyone fears it can't go on any longer, and then they all rush to sell.
 


The buyer thought he got that Porshce for $35k but 2 weeks later those bitcoins are worth almost $55k so he got fucked royally. So what incentive does anyone have to actually spend their bitcoins if they risk losing significant money by not holding onto them?

I keep hearing this talk about all these new merchants accepting Bitcoin which sounds good, but as a customer I would never want to spend them as the price is shooting up, and as a merchant I would never want to accept them as the price plummets.

That's a HUGE problem.

I'd personally be spending a good percentage if I had any major holdings right now just to diversify.

I have no idea if they'll hit $500 or $15 this month, so I wouldn't be holding all of them.

If I was a merchant I'd most likely be converting 90%+ of my payments into cash (or out of bitcoin) at the point of sale.

But yeah, the volatility is a disadvantage.

I'm still watching from the sidelines to see what happens. I'm intrigued by the technology. I don't expect it to replace money. But the utility for moving money is pretty awesome.
 
Question for Luke (or anyone else actively trading bitcoins atm) - someone posted earlier that Mt.gox has a monthly widthdrawal limit of $10,000 (https://support.mtgox.com/entries/20490576-Withdrawals-and-Deposits). So if you were holding 5000 bitcoins right now, and wanted to sell your position and cash out - would you have to wait 100 months before you could collect your full USD position from the exchange? That seems like a ludicrous limit to have in place, but I couldn't find anything on the exchange to suggest otherwise. If that is the case, are there any other ways to 'instantly' convert and withdrawal as a currency of your choosing? Otherwise, how on earth can any of you feel comfortable keeping any significant balance on these exchanges?

-EDIT - I see that you can get your limits raised by sending in scans of an id and they will "review your document and increase your withdraw limit based on your risk profile" (pretty vague, but whatever). I guess question should be now have any of you gotten limits raised and withdrawn any significant amount of money.

i use self hosted wallet, thats how u shoud roll too
 
The buyer thought he got that Porsche for $35k but 2 weeks later those bitcoins are worth almost $55k so he got fucked royally. So what incentive does anyone have to actually spend their bitcoins if they risk losing significant money by not holding onto them?

I keep hearing this talk about all these new merchants accepting Bitcoin which sounds good, but as a customer I would never want to spend them as the price is shooting up, and as a merchant I would never want to accept them as the price plummets.

That's a HUGE problem.

the solution is some form a bitcoin central bank to keep prices stable or to provide a price floor. if bitcoin falls below a certain threshold it buys and above the threshold it sells its reserves.
 
the solution is some form a bitcoin central bank to keep prices stable or to provide a price floor. if bitcoin falls below a certain threshold it buys and above the threshold it sells its reserves.
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OMFG GTFO.
 
Anyone can be a bitcoin 'central banker' if they have enough money. If I had 1 billion lying around I could place a huge bid at some arbitrary price level, and gradually sell them if it goes above it. It doesn't mean more coins have to be minted. This threshold can be benchmarked to inflation or whatever.
 
This is my punishment for being so gung-ho on btc publically, isn't it?

Here's the deal, cpauser...

Bitcoin was created to destroy all the central banks. Period.

It's _decentralized_ currency... As in one that has no center.

When you do things to it like try to regulate it, you become Ben fucking Bernanke, and the rest of the world is your plaything...

...And then some reclusive genius has to go and invent a new currency to subvert you.

What made you so bullish on bitcoin, anyway? Are you just in BTC because you think it will make you a bajillionaire?
 
Hey LukeP,

How long do you reckon it will be before the US/ the FED realise what a threat bitcoin is to their ripoff BS currency toiletpaper ? I cant really see how they can respond but what do you think they will try to do...DDOS all the exchangers ;)
 
How long do you reckon it will be before the US/ the FED realise what a threat bitcoin is to their ripoff BS currency toiletpaper ? I cant really see how they can respond but what do you think they will try to do...DDOS all the exchangers ;)
FinCen responded half a month ago actually:

FIN-2013-G001
Issued: March 18, 2013
Subject: Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html

....

c. De-Centralized Virtual Currencies

A final type of convertible virtual currency activity involves a de-centralized convertible virtual currency (1) that has no central repository and no single administrator, and (2) that persons may obtain by their own computing or manufacturing effort.

A person that creates units of this convertible virtual currency and uses it to purchase real or virtual goods and services is a user of the convertible virtual currency and not subject to regulation as a money transmitter. By contrast, a person that creates units of convertible virtual currency and sells those units to another person for real currency or its equivalent is engaged in transmission to another location and is a money transmitter. In addition, a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts such de-centralized convertible virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency.
Since they are powerless to stop it, this was the smartest move they could have made, and I expect they'll just keep tightening the screws on the Exchanges.

Once we steal 1% of the economy though, they'll start the propaganda campaign in full, trying to make every sheep-person on the continent feel dirty to hold any bitcoins.

...Problem is though; there won't be any people left by then that aren't holding some of these valuable things already, or at least aren't already educated in why bitcoins threaten the government so much.
 
FinCen responded half a month ago actually:


Since they are powerless to stop it, this was the smartest move they could have made, and I expect they'll just keep tightening the screws on the Exchanges.

Once we steal 1% of the economy though, they'll start the propaganda campaign in full, trying to make every sheep-person on the continent feel dirty to hold any bitcoins.

...Problem is though; there won't be any people left by then that aren't holding some of these valuable things already, or at least aren't already educated in why bitcoins threaten the government so much.


Lukep do you honestly believe people give a shit about what bitcoin is about?

Do you really think the people buying bitcoins right now are doing it to stick it to uncle sam?

Do you really think they share your beliefs that bitcoin is going to be some big revolutionary currency that is going to change everything?

Of course they don't. Most people are buying bitcoins to make money off of it. They never intend to use bitcoins and they sure as hell don't care about what bitcoin stands for...

All these people that are propping up your bitcoins are the same people who are going to crash it in the end.

These people don't share your beliefs. They are only in it to make money. Ain't it sad to think that the whole idea behind bitcoins means jack shit to the people who are now buying it? And when it's all over, bitcoin will become nothing more than another fad?

I hope you're smart enough to make the decision to sell when the time comes Luke.
 
Lukep do you honestly believe people give a shit about what bitcoin is about?
People?

I am convinced that there are ENOUGH people to carry bitcoin through.

If/when it crashes again, it won't go down to the previous levels. You can bet on that.

Then it'll come back up way higher than it is now.

That's what the people want.



Do you really think the people buying bitcoins right now are doing it to stick it to uncle sam?

Just a couple tens of thousands of them... Bitcoin is of course way bigger than their economy... But their economy should be viewed as a baseline that it won't go below.


Most people are buying bitcoins to make money off of it. They never intend to use bitcoins and they sure as hell don't care about what bitcoin stands for...
These speculators are small enough in number to not have complete control.

The mining community (There are a confirmed 20,000+ miners, by the way) have to take the time to learn about bitcoin and choose a cryptocoin to mine in the first place, so it's quite obvious that these guys aren't all going to short their positions 100%.... Most likely they'll sell at the top and quickly buy back before it goes below $10 or something so that they can own more of it in the long run.

...That's what I plan to do.
 
re: the thread derailment, i'm always shocked at how much a lot of yanks distrust their government. it must be related to the size of the country or something, when somebody might be in washington state getting orders from DC across the country.

you vote these people in! do you really think they're that evil?

also, the US government won't do anything about bitcoin BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE. it's not a big deal to them.

they will go after the silkroad though, i'd be shocked if there's not a taskforce on it as we speak. TOR is not impenetrable as people like to think.