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Stop bullshitting and explain if you provide what you say in the opening thread, 80% uniqueness, unique c-class IP's.

You refer to readable content, who fucks on readable content ? You advertise on 80% readable content not what I found out. There's a difference of 80% uniqueness, 50% uniqueness and 100% duplicate. It's not 400, it's 300 articles though.

What about footprints of your wikis ? What about all manual created ? What about re-using content ? What about unique c-class ? What about all that quality that matters ?

You do not answer a single problem I explained in my post which took me a hell to research. Do you think any single person would agree on wikis if you advertise them with 'same registrar name for all wikis and 2 IPs per 10 domains ? Added to that power of footprints, I won't insert unqiue images and I will not modify any standard pages of mediawiki.

What pisses me off is you used content which I obviously paid for to create other guys package - and that you lie about what your service is about - and that you do not provide what you are advertising. Bottom line:

Do you deliver and provide what you are advertising or not?
 


Why are you so angry? You were much nicer on skype. You gave me some valuable tips that we've already implemented within the package to make it better? The wikis are going to be updated to make them better, so I'm really not sure why you're so angry? You haven't ordered in like 2 months or so. Why now?

And yes, it is spun at 80% unique. Every single word is spun twice within the article, except for your keywords. But, when you spin 125 or 400 articles, it becomes duplicate to each other. This is the reason why we're offering another option for those who don't care about readability, which means we can spin it more than twice per keyword.

And yes, we do provide what we advertise. You can tell by the 8 pages of good reviews that you do. I'm sorry if you don't feel this way, I would have gladly given you a refund back.

I do appreciate your research - I really do. But, we already had this conversation on skype about 4 days ago, and I had told you that we were going to fix all issues.

And I quote:

[5/18/2011 7:44:48 PM] F J K: and I don't care you're a provider or not in this case
[5/18/2011 7:44:57 PM] F J K: I decided not to post in WF as this might fuck up your business a lot
[5/18/2011 7:45:05 PM] F J K: and I don't want to fuck up anybody
[5/18/2011 7:45:09 PM] F J K: nor start any war with anybody
[5/18/2011 7:45:11 PM] F J K: or anything
[5/18/2011 7:45:13 PM] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): what happened?
[5/18/2011 7:45:24 PM] F J K: don't get me wrong about that
[5/18/2011 7:45:29 PM] F J K: I am not saying your package is bullshit for that
[5/18/2011 7:45:35 PM] F J K: but there are some facts which are in fact bad
[5/18/2011 7:45:39 PM] F J K: or I think you should provide in public
[5/18/2011 7:45:47 PM] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): which ones?
[5/18/2011 7:45:52 PM] F J K: as if some fucker comes up different than me and tells them in public it's like some shitty for ya
[5/18/2011 7:46:12 PM] F J K: just to ensure: don't wanna fuck you up or so
[5/18/2011 7:46:24 PM] F J K: as your customer service and stuff like that is top nodge
[5/18/2011 7:46:26 PM] F J K: but:
[5/18/2011 7:46:30 PM] F J K: 1) Wikis:
[5/18/2011 7:46:41 PM] F J K: full of footprints, several wikis are registered on same name and even same registrant email
[5/18/2011 7:46:50 PM] F J K: no wikis have a proper logo in them
[5/18/2011 7:46:56 PM] F J K: the articles are posted in one rush to them
[5/18/2011 7:47:03 PM] F J K: which creates a footprint again

If you look back into the chat log, I stated that all of this would be fixed, which is what we're working on. Then:

[5/18/2011 7:51:52 PM] F J K: you should just check it up
[5/18/2011 7:52:00 PM] F J K: as it's only a matter of time someone finds out
[5/18/2011 7:52:03 PM] F J K: and blows your thread
[5/18/2011 7:52:15 PM] F J K: (and in the end he's right for that)
[5/18/2011 7:52:21 PM] F J K: therefore just my advice :)
[5/18/2011 7:52:30 PM] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): well i appreciate it, really do.

And you even stated this:

[5/18/2011 8:36:44 PM] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): thank you for talking to me
[5/18/2011 8:36:50 PM] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): needed it
[5/18/2011 8:36:53 PM] F J K: no prob, keep it up bro

So after you gave me advice, and we've already implemented it, why would you feel the need to publicly bash us? I don't understand.
 
Oh I didn't see part of your question about reusing content. We don't reuse content. If we did, it was truly an honest mistake. We have so many different niches and keywords, that it would be impossible to reuse content. But, if that's the big flaw in our package, then you should've just told me bro, I would have given you a refund for it and an apology. It wasn't like we did it on purpose. You should have just told me.
 
Answer to that is really easy: because I did not expect you to use content which you took for my packages to use for other guys. This is what makes me mad most and this is why I started checking up your glamourous package and it started breaking all damn over.

I decided not to out it but I see people being scammed here over and over again. After 5 days there is no shit changed. Beside that, I really hate the part about using my packages content for other guys as this fucks up both me and the other guy.

Another quote:

[19.05.2011 02:34:13] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): i didnt say its all done by hand
[19.05.2011 02:34:27] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): the wikis, web 2.0s, and article directories are done by hand
[19.05.2011 02:34:39] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): the trac is done by program
[19.05.2011 02:34:53] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): blog posts is controlled by a custom program as well
[19.05.2011 02:34:54] DeShea Witcher (OntheWayUp): we dont use any program thats out there on the market

Everybody who purchased this package and takes a look at both web 2.0 and article directories will see it's likely not to be.

I am a fair guy but if someone starts cheating on me and uses stuff I paid for for reselling it it's just a scam.

Why are you advertising with different c-class IPs if you do not provide them ?
 
I hate leaving bad reviews, but I can't say I'm 100% satisfied with this service.

Pros – I did go up from #11 to #4 in Google for one of my keywords. This keyword has 2400 local searches and is in a competitive niche, so it's not that easy of a keyword.

Cons – My other keywords either didn't move or went down. I targetted one keyword that also happened to be my exact match domain name. Example – I own buywidgetsnow.com and I gave him the keyword “buy widgets now.” This keyword only has 210 local searches. I dropped from position #3 to position #4 after using his service.

My final keyword I gave him showed no movement. It's still stuck at the same position it has been in since before I ordered his service.

The reasons I believe this service didn't work are:
1.Duplicate Content – Like casinobonus24 said, it's not 100% unique or even 80% unique like onthewayup promised.
2.Big Footprint on the Wikis – It looks like they were created automatically, Poorly spun content, same usernames, etc.
3.All Same IP addresses – Not unique c-class IPs like onthewayup said. They all begin with the same xx.xxx (huge footprint IMO)
4.The Moodle Tickets are spammed to hell... I mean, you might as well just buy a scrapebox blast of blog comments if you want spam links.

I've been reading the reviews/testimonials and am surprised to see this service worked for some people. Must be for some very very low competition keywords.

The service didn't necessarily hurt me (yet), but it didn't help the way I was hoping. For the price, it's definitely not worth the money (for reasons listed above).
 
I never took anyones content and reuse it for other guys. I pay good for many articles to be written all the time. If you can show me this I can maybe help you get to the bottom of this situation. I would never and have never done this. Just PM me the links (I don't want you to show your niches publicly) and we can figure this out.

As far as the class c's go, you stated that 2 wikis were on the same class c ip. I think this is what you're talking about, but if it is, i've already processed this to be taken care of.
 
Hello. I see there's some 'flame war' going on here. I planned to post my review today or tomorrow, so I've decided to post it today so I can maybe get some objectivity into all this. Leaving reviews with facts is getting dead on WF, and someone needs to stand up.

First of all, the Wikis. In my report, I haven't seen any C-Class duplicates. BUT 9 out of 10 wikis had the same beginning IP (for example 68.543), as evidenced below:

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(details omitted for privacy reasons, obviously).

The other reason why I posted this screenshot because I wanted to hear (with proof) from other reviewers whether they also have the same IP beginnings which should point to the fact that all Wikis are leaving a footprint.[/B]

For the indexing rate, I'll post an update, still haven't got any accurate data to report.

As for the articles, onethewayup provided me with a new list. 53 (new) article directories. 1/3rd are indexed, 2/3ds are not (but as I said, I will post a SECOND part of this review when I'll review the indexing).

8 duplicate c-class IPs from the new list of 53. But this was done just for me (which I congratulate onethewayup). However, I have a friend who ordered this a while ago, and I got his report as well. Most were c-class duplicates as well. Which suggests that onethewayup needs to focus on this more.

About the duplicate stuff (which is what most of the above discussion is for), here are some of mine screenshots from copyscape):

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I get similar results like this for the wikis, for the tickets and for the article directories. Onethewayup mentioned he gets a lot of others and has a big team, so I'm wondering what's the issue with this. Some investigation will needs to be done about this for sure.

So, will my final conclusion be:

Awesome service!
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or

If I were you I wouldn't order this, but I would definitely consider ordering it for your competitors
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Time will show.

Again, I encourage other reviewers to research their reports and post their conclusions here. Let's get some healthy debate going.
 
Funlol, Casinobonus -

I'm very sorry about all of this. The last thing I ever want is an upset client. The only reason why I started providing a service is to prove that you can have a package with results, and have good customer service as well.

With that being said, we're going to fix all the issues above. From this point forward, we're going to:

1. Fix all the problems with the wikis as far as the footprints (this was already being fixed) so that there are no more footprints, period.

2. Super spin the content. Instead of being able to read the content, it's going to be about avoiding duplicate content.

3. Filter our article directory list from 150 to 50 article directories, and make sure that every directory is on a unique ip address. This should fix the problems with ip addresses.

The last thing I want to do is give up on my clients. It's not about the money, it's about making sure the client is happy - and the client is always right in my book.

With that being said, all orders in the queue will still be processed accordingly with no delays, even if I have to stay up for 3 days straight fixing all of this myself. Too many clients have depended on me to let them down.

The customer is always right. Thank you both for opening my eyes to these problems.
 
casinobonus24 said:
Moreover, I checked up some FREE reviews of Grindstone and eliquid in the Wiki thread and I would like to know if they either did not care about different c-class ip’s, did not check up or just were interested in free links ?
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Didn't check before but did now after getting linked to this thread. 49 unique class Cs, 49 unique subnets. I know there's supposed to be 50 but either I deleted one or it got missed in my report. After comparing the 50 wiki list to the 10 in the backlink arena that you found on dupe Class C's, there were no duplicates between the two.

How can you guys talk about top nodge shit with not even a logo inserted into the wikis and standard pages not even edited ? Not a single damn complain about logos not being inserted, no check up of the posting time footprint, no nothing…. If you check up the wikis even not being Einstein you will find a hell of footprints which nobody mentioned in his review. A random check of just 2 wikis will show same registrants. Given the facts both are well known, respected and seem to know their shit, I really would like to get an opinion from them about this
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I straight up fucked up here. No way to sugar coat it. I checked my pages, about 10 of them, then alive checked the entire report with scrapebox. It wasn't until just recently that I discovered the footprint you describe. And you're right about it, it's a big footprint. I talked to DeShea about it and I'm not going to get into the whole story here, needless to say, he knows it needs major improvements.

Going back to my complicity in it, I have no excuse. If I'm too busy to thoroughly investigate a review copy, I have no business accepting them. So I'm done with review copies and I sincerely apologize to anyone who's SERPs were effected by me not investigating deeper. I also know that carries about as much value as tits on a boar at this point.

and maybe some response about SERP movement too as I personally doubt this Wiki shit will have any positive impact and I also doubt the BLA really creates a longterm boost for your site. I’d simply love to hear some feedback from especially Grindstone about the impacts the BLA and the Wikis had on his sites…
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I got one BLA as a review copy and have ordered at least 3 more at full price. Results have ranged from good to spectacular, depending on the strength of the niche.

I did notice a little backsliding from the high point on each package, but that's to be expected with any big link building endeavor as google tries to figure out wtf just happened. We're talking like peaking at 8 and sliding back to 12 over a couple weeks, but up from 40 something originally, pretty standard SERP behavior.

As for all the dupe content/automated/manual parts of this discussion, I'm an end results kind of guy. Did it work or did it fail? So far, for me, the BLA has been worth everything I've paid for it.

As for the 50 wiki package, that's a different story. I made the mistake of pointing it at a client site on the assumption (ass of u and me, mostly me) that since the BLA had provided such quality results, this would too. I normally point all review copies at test sites of mine that have been gestating for a couple weeks/months since the last testing I ran them at or at one big motherfucker niche that constantly trumps me but for some stupid reason, I deviated here.

Ordered on the 8th, report delivered on the 9th, 4 days later it disappeared. Like 3 to 23 and now 30 and 6 to 50 something and now 200+. As well as about 25 page 1-3 longtails that are just fucking gone. Waited it out for 10 days hoping it was just a dance, then spent a couple days doing the research I should have done initially before they all indexed and found the footprints casinobonus mentions. Showed it to Deshea and he was quite disturbed to see the footprints I showed him. Again, that's not my part of the story to tell. Asked to have my wikis deleted and he dealt with it quickly.

Have spent the majority of the last two days trying to get my former wiki URLs re-indexed and taken off the books. I've got one irate client, who I'll probably lose for multiple projects and/or work for free until I can get that site back to it's previous position, and thousands of dollars in lost revenue when you factor my time plus the daily revenue the site was making.

There you go Casino, full disclosure on my part. Color me stupid but I have faith that DeShea will make it right for everybody involved in the end.
 
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If Grindstone review is true, I feel very disturbed now.

If someone doesn't know how to run an ordinary IP-checker, he shouldn't be doing anything related to SEO whatsoever. I hope there is a PRETTY GOOD explanation from onthewayup about this... (btw I'd also like to see my wikis deleted).
 
darenet - the problem has been identified and we're fixing the issue. By the end of the week, all problems discussed will be fixed without any further problems.

This is about the problem being identified, fixed, and moving on with the package. Grindstone identified the problem a few days ago, and i've been working on each issue since. There were things I thought were done, but wasn't. I'm not denying anything grindstone said. I'm not denying anything funlol or casinobonus said. Not even denying you.

What I do know is how to fix it, and move forward.
 
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First, let me say that my review earlier in this thread was a PAID review. I paid full price for this service. That being said, I usually don't analyze Copyscape/ip addresses etc for every service that I order (I don't have time, and I order a lot of fucking projects). When I post a review, it's either positive because I was happy with the service (and results), or negative, because the service didn't meet my expectations.

I ordered this service on an established site of mine, with a good backlink portfolio. This is not a shitty one-page site designed to collect adsense revenue. Onthewayup's service is a powerful service that creates some strong backlinks. Stop and think for a second. Would your brand new site naturally generate over 900 links in a short period of time? Probably not, of course this might trigger red flags if your site doesn't have links from existing authority sites.

The reason I wrote a positive review for this service is because it produced results for me.

My site now:
  • Is cemented in the top 10 (around 7-8) for a very generic niche keyword, where before it fluctuated from 10-17.
  • Has an internal page ranking #1 AND the homepage is ranking #2 for a long-tail (yet profitable) niche keyword. I own the top 2 results for one of my targeted kw's thanks to this service.
  • The third keyword I used was a brand keyword. I did this on purpose to make the properties look a bit more natural. All of the properties have stuck.

Results speak for themselves. We can argue about unique content all day, and what % of copyscape is acceptable. Different services are going to have different results for different sites. Your choice of anchor texts and URLs are just as critical as any service's methods.
 
Oh, and one more thing I'd like to add. I haven't worked with a service provider who is as accessible as OTWU. I did in fact have a question/problem with one or two of the web properties he created, and I was able to CONTACT HIM FIRST and he/his team was able to fix it within a matter of hours.
 
Magic Hat said:
First, let me say that my review earlier in this thread was a PAID review. I paid full price for this service. That being said, I usually don't analyze Copyscape/ip addresses etc for every service that I order (I don't have time, and I order a lot of fucking projects). When I post a review, it's either positive because I was happy with the service (and results), or negative, because the service didn't meet my expectations.

I ordered this service on an established site of mine, with a good backlink portfolio. This is not a shitty one-page site designed to collect adsense revenue. Onthewayup's service is a powerful service that creates some strong backlinks. Stop and think for a second. Would your brand new site naturally generate over 900 links in a short period of time? Probably not, of course this might trigger red flags if your site doesn't have links from existing authority sites.

The reason I wrote a positive review for this service is because it produced results for me.

My site now:
  • Is cemented in the top 10 (around 7-8) for a very generic niche keyword, where before it fluctuated from 10-17.
  • Has an internal page ranking #1 AND the homepage is ranking #2 for a long-tail (yet profitable) niche keyword. I own the top 2 results for one of my targeted kw's thanks to this service.
  • The third keyword I used was a brand keyword. I did this on purpose to make the properties look a bit more natural. All of the properties have stuck.

Results speak for themselves. We can argue about unique content all day, and what % of copyscape is acceptable. Different services are going to have different results for different sites. Your choice of anchor texts and URLs are just as critical as any service's methods.
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Magic Hat, I appreciate the review. But honestly, there's no doubting that the package can be 10x better once I fix the problems above. And yes, people have gotten great results with it being as it is, but I don't want anyone second guessing the package, or me. So, i'll fix all the issues, and everything will be back to where it was.
 
Had another site todo and as always deshea is one of the first packages i order, and he did it again, excellent customer support, quick turn around even gave me some extra comments blasts which is always nice.
Keyword difficulty 10/10 over just below 2m EXACT searches a month, i was around position #40 and now I'm on page #1 second time it happened for a keyword to me with this package. if deshea's magic fingers work as well with the ladies, lucky them :p will be ordering 4 more this week
 
Absolutely. I'll have everything fixed within 2 days. Even the existing ones that are on the wiki network will be fixed. The only thing we can't change from orders put in the past is the highly spun/unreadable content.
 
"Moreover, I checked up some FREE reviews of Grindstone and eliquid in the Wiki thread and I would like to know if they either did not care about different c-class ip’s, did not check up or just were interested in free links ?"

I am not seeing any dup c class in mine bro.​


"How can you guys talk about top nodge shit with not even a logo inserted into the wikis and standard pages not even edited ? Not a single damn complain about logos not being inserted, no check up of the posting time footprint, no nothing…. If you check up the wikis even not being Einstein you will find a hell of footprints which nobody mentioned in his review. A random check of just 2 wikis will show same registrants. Given the facts both are well known, respected and seem to know their shit, I really would like to get an opinion from them about this"

Logo? You serious bro? Check this out for a minute. Order a run of bookmarking from any provider here on Wickedfire and you will get all of your bookmarks done at the SAME TIME ( time footprint ) and with the same username on all of them. Even Amits glorious service uses the SAME 3 URLS on all his submissions for you.​

Do this check on ANY SERVICE on WF and I bet you 95% of the time you see the same thing. All done at same time and with same username. There is only a handful that DO NOT do this.

As far as the logo, who cares about that really? As to the time and username footprints, its not different then 95% of WF services.​

"Uniqiness"

You may have me here. I dont check this, no need to for me. If the shit is even 30% its good enough for me though. I dont check this closely as my standards are different then yours​

"checking of whois"

I have never checked this, how much time in the day do you think we all have to check whois records. You got me here though.​


"Moodle and ticket systems"

I could care less other people have spammed these to death or used them a year ago. Look at xRumer and blog comments and web 2.0's. People were doing them 5 years ago and most targets of these are spammed to death for real. However, they still work.​

"standard setup, plain vanilla, etc"

How many xRumer targets are just plain installs of phpbb, vbull, simplebb and how many SB targets are simple Wordpress installs of tentwenty or free themes. This is moot for me.

All I can say is, when Deshea was done, the result moved up a spot for me and thats all I needed to see. Unfortunately, reviews are not done 30-40 days prior to their launch. Also, a lot of us dont have time to "re" review the service after 2-3 weeks have passed as we are busy with other things.

My site has now went back to original position as before and any new links to it ( spent over 1k more of my own money ) have not moved it up since. Can I blame Deshea? No, because we dont know all the variables in play with Google rankings.

However, I admit the service is not perfect and I never said it was. I too have grown old of doing reviews for people just like Grindstone. We get hit 20x a day for reviews and we try our best with that we are given in the time frame allotted.

The shit worked for me when I did my review and my standards are a bit less then yours I guess. Its just like any service, if it moves it up then thats what matters and this service did that for me at the time of my writing. Asking for XYZ to be "your" perfect setup for you is just asking for trouble. I admit his service could use some help to be perfect or even just average, but you have to evaluate what your really after here and base it on that merit.

Asking for logos and perfect whois records is like asking for all your automated blog comments to be in your niche, PR7's and no OBL's. It aint gonna happen son.

I think your other complaints though are valid. Just stay on realistic point please.
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Absolutely. I'll have everything fixed within 2 days. Even the existing ones that are on the wiki network will be fixed. The only thing we can't change from orders put in the past is the highly spun/unreadable content.
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^This

Please make sure both of my heavyhitter packages are done correctly in regards to wiki's etc.

Thanks
 
eliquid, it's all good bro. Maybe this was meant to happen. Honestly, I felt down about myself because my clients mean more to me than anything. Though, after looking into this, this will actually make the package even stronger.

I can't blame them for being upset, I can only blame the fact that it was overlooked.
 
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