30,000 More Troops To Afghanistan

Well sure it's not a BAD thing! but real life experience (running a business, being in the millitary etc.) is more important. I know plenty of people with advanced degrees that are really book smart but dumb as rocks when it comes to real life.

He was a Senator for what....like 2.5 years and he had 129 "PRESENT" votes. I think (as well as the majority of Americans) his track record so far shows that he is way over his head.


Actually, it's all about the politics. In Vietnam, the US never lost a military battle (and won quite a few of them), but lost the political battle (Read Stanley Karnow's book on the politics of the Vietnam War, quite fascinating). And the reason why the political war was lost (to summarize WAY too briefly) was that the US picked a bunch of corrupt dipshits to act as political leaders.

Unfortunately, it looks like the same is happening in Afghanistan. Hopefully Obama can "win" the political battle before the American public gets tired of sacrificing their soldiers' blood for a bunch of corrupts dipshits (which is basically what happened in Vietnam).
 


Ladies and gentlemen, the debating skills of the Left.

You're the one saying that McChrystal is a liar and traitor who is sacrificing the lives of our military men and women to appease an appeaser(Obama) for political reasons.

Saying that the top commander in Afghanistan is lying in saying that he has been given a focused mission and needed resources to accomplish it, is really no different than Rosie Odonnel or xboxlive calling our soldiers terrorists.

Because if the general is not 100% sincere in his statement then he is putting a concern for politics over the welfare of 10s or even 100s of thousands of troops. Insincerity in a statement of this nature would basically make him a traitor.

It doesn't matter if you're saying it because you hate America or you hate Obama because he's a democrat. You're still hating on the US military at its highest levels and the commander in chief.

You're no different than the anti-american, internet jihadists I used to debate at another forum. Just because you only hate on the president and the military half of the time(when democrats are in charge) doesn't mean you're not an america hater.
 
You're the one saying that McChrystal is a liar and traitor who is sacrificing the lives of our military men and women to appease an appeaser(Obama) for political reasons.

Saying that the top commander in Afghanistan is lying in saying that he has been given a focused mission and needed resources to accomplish it, is really no different than Rosie Odonnel or xboxlive calling our soldiers terrorists.

Because if the general is not 100% sincere in his statement then he is putting a concern for politics over the welfare of 10s or even 100s of thousands of troops. Insincerity in a statement of this nature would basically make him a traitor.

It doesn't matter if you're saying it because you hate America or you hate Obama because he's a democrat. You're still hating on the US military at its highest levels and the commander in chief.

You're no different than the anti-american, internet jihadists I used to debate at another forum. Just because you only hate on the president and the military half of the time(when democrats are in charge) doesn't mean you're not an america hater.

I never once uttered the words liar or traitor. Those all came out of your mouth. I said it's possible McChrystal became so desperate waiting for reinforcements that Obama wrangled this statement out of him. Your dishonesty is disgusting.

I really can't believe you keep cheerleading for Obama here. Afghanistan's done. The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and whatever other fuckers are still there are stocking up supplies and weaponry and circling their calendars for July 2011, the date Obama said he's ending the war. Why waste even a single bullet when you know your enemy's surrendering in a year and a half?

You can expect the same thing to happen here that happened when we surrendered in Vietnam. Those that supported us will be slaughtered, just like a million Vietnamese were murdered when we left with our tail between our legs. Obama's a joke, you think you're some type of independent thinker(laughably enough), and if I were a terrorist in Afghanistan, I'm marking the date of Obama's surrender speech as the day they won Afghanistan. But keep on cheerleading for him, I don't really care anymore, this country's going to shit, and deluded fools like you are too busy patting yourself on the back for their 'independent thinking' to even see what's going on.
 
I never once uttered the words liar or traitor. Those all came out of your mouth. I said it's possible McChrystal became so desperate waiting for reinforcements that Obama wrangled this statement out of him. Your dishonesty is disgusting.

If McChrystal allowed a statement to be "wrangled" out of him, then part and parcel with that statement is McChrystal's willingness to go forward with executing a mission with an insufficient force, while pretending to have the tools to do the job.

Allowing this statement to be "wrangled" out of him would make him a liar. Going to the front and the combat fields under false pretenses or false assumptions, which would put his own men and women at greater peril, is traitorous, if not to the country(I think it would be), then at least to the military men and women serving under him.

So you outright called him a liar and strongly implied that he is a traitor, since being a traitor is part and parcel with the nature of his alleged lie.

You're no different than the lefty douchebags that were calling Bush a psychopathic murderer and our soldiers terrorists. You're the opposite side of the same coin.


I really can't believe you keep cheerleading for Obama here. Afghanistan's done. The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and whatever other fuckers are still there are stocking up supplies and weaponry and circling their calendars for July 2011, the date Obama said he's ending the war. Why waste even a single bullet when you know your enemy's surrendering in a year and a half?

You can expect the same thing to happen here that happened when we surrendered in Vietnam. Those that supported us will be slaughtered, just like a million Vietnamese were murdered when we left with our tail between our legs. Obama's a joke, you think you're some type of independent thinker(laughably enough), and if I were a terrorist in Afghanistan, I'm marking the date of Obama's surrender speech as the day they won Afghanistan. But keep on cheerleading for him, I don't really care anymore, this country's going to shit, and deluded fools like you are too busy patting yourself on the back for their 'independent thinking' to even see what's going on.

I agree with you. How's that for indepedent thinking, douchebag? I don't think we should be setting timetables. I didn't agree with everything Bush did in Iraq either but I usually defended him as well from your leftwing, nutball, douchebag counterparts.

But let's not kid ourselves. This isn't about timetables or whether McChrystal is actually a liar, as you suggest he is.

This is about you deciding you hate someone because of the party label they carry before they ever take office and then opposing them on every issue, no matter what. It's about the depths that you will go to and the logical leaps you will take in order to reinforce or justify your hateful arguments, such as our military leaders being liars and putting our troops in an untenable situations for the sake of political expediency.
 
If McChrystal allowed a statement to be "wrangled" out of him, then part and parcel with that statement is McChrystal's willingness to go forward with executing a mission with an insufficient force, while pretending to have the tools to do the job.

Or he knows this is the best he'll get out of Obama, and he's willing to take a chance with this reduced force and try to annihilate the Taliban et al before Obama yanks them out of there. McChrystal is first and foremost a patriot, and he was getting smeared by the Dems while he was desperately calling for more troops. His statement could be viewed as a sacrifice he's making because he's going to give it one final try.

So you outright called him a liar and strongly implied that he is a traitor, since being a traitor is part and parcel with the nature of his alleged lie.

Nope, I didn't. You're still desperately trying to put words in my mouth.

But why stop, when it's so fun and we can return to this narrative you're peddling?

You're no different than the lefty douchebags that were calling Bush a psychopathic murderer and our soldiers terrorists. You're the opposite side of the same coin...blah blah blah

Right, criticism that Obama's heart isn't into this war and he was twiddling his thumbs(I'm sorry, 'thinking of a brilliant plan') while our soldiers were dying is EXACTLY like your ideological brethren incessantly vilifying the one man who had the balls to fight a war overseas while his character was being destroyed and eviscerated back home. Two sides of the same coin, indeed.

but I usually defended him as well from your leftwing, nutball, douchebag counterparts.

You are a lefty. You're just quasi-conservative on military issues, and you somehow think this buys you credibility as an independent.

This isn't about timetables...

Yes, it is.

you hate someone because of the party label they carry before they ever take office and then opposing them on every issue, no matter what.

It's about the depths that you will go to and the logical leaps you will take in order to reinforce or justify your hateful arguments

I detest Marxist-Leninists and far-left liberals, which comprise most of the Democrat Party. They generally are wrong about everything, and not only are they wrong, they usually make things worse. There's a couple Dems who are somewhat independent, like Lieberman, although he got purged from the Party.

So chances are if there's a person with a D next to their name, they're gonna be spouting left to far-left propaganda and advocating far-left policies. It doesn't mean the Repubs are perfect, but there's a lot more diversity in their Party and they didn't initiate the same Gramscian/Alinskyite purge the New Left did, so they aren't as predictable.

When I find a far-left liberal who implements a good policy, I'll let you know. In the meantime, you can remain on your Bill O'Reilly pedestal, pretending to be independent, bemoaning the hyperpartisanship and lecturing others on their hate-derived, knee-jerk reflexive reactions and piously bloviating about how a slightly hawkish liberal is more qualified to judge Obama's surrender than any run-of-the-mill conservative.
 
^ There are Socialist and Communist parties in the USA. You can take a look at some of their websites and see how they feel about Obama and a lot of the Democrats. Obama asked congress for an additional $80 billion in military spending, supports wiretapping, etc. This is quite the contrast to the president of Finland, for example, who is a female that was the leader of a gay rights group.

The Senate version of the "Audit the Fed" thing was introduced by Bernie Sanders - the first and only Senator to label themselves as socialist.
 
^ There are Socialist and Communist parties in the USA. You can take a look at some of their websites and see how they feel about Obama and a lot of the Democrats. Obama asked congress for an additional $80 billion in military spending, supports wiretapping, etc. This is quite the contrast to the president of Finland, for example, who is a female that was the leader of a gay rights group.

The Senate version of the "Audit the Fed" thing was introduced by Bernie Sanders - the first and only Senator to label themselves as socialist.

They're all ideological brethren - the Dems just realize how politically suicidal open Marxism is, which is why they spend so much time obfuscating their true intentions. The Dems are simply smarter than the Communist Party, and realize nobody would ever vote for them if they knew what they really stood for.

Which is why we hear about a public option, which is simply delayed single-payer, which is nationalization, which is higher taxes, etc.. The Dems switched to incrementalism long ago and its been paying huge dividends. Notice power only flows one way - to the state. The state doesn't relinquish power easily. Once the state acquires new power, via regulations, industry ownership, etc.., it almost never gives it back. Which is what the theory of Marxist incrementalism was built around.

So the Dems/Marxists are content to slowly leech power from the people to the state, with carefully crafted slogans and sob-stories, until one day you wake up to find out you were played. But by then you're just a serf.

But don't kid yourself - Obama hates these actions as much as the Communist Party does. He's just more of a realist. Take this Afghanistan deployment, for example - Obama doesn't want to do this. That's why his speech was so lifeless and unenthusiastic. He had to do it. I'm guessing his team knows that if he didn't order this deployment, the Right would be in great position to solidify their meme that he is a 'weak' president. And with his approval rating hovering the way it is now, they probably thought that would be political suicide.

This is a 2010/2012 play. He's keeping the congressional and presidential election in mind with this move. But I don't think he really cares about this war. I don't think he even thinks there's much of a threat there. But he had to do this in order to preserve whatever chances he had in 2010 and 2012.