we are going to do a arbi test!

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technomad said:
I guess the real point of my question was how vital is it to be in the top 5 for bids?
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Trial and error...

Sometimes I start off bidding a bit higher than I should until I get a few clicks and an idea of what adsense will pay for them and the ctr, then adjust my bids so I'm paying about half the income. If I can't get any traffic at that price, raise them until you start getting traffic, while keeping them low enough to make the whole thing worthwhile. Don't worry about micromanaging the lower-traffic keywords, concentrate on the higher-traffic ones until you get an idea of what your pricing should be.

Once you get a day or two of traffic at the lowest price you can, try raising the price (but still within your margin) and see how much traffic you can get at the higher price for a day or two. Then compare the profits, and either stay at the high-price-high-traffic or go back to the lower-price-lower-traffic.

I know some of you might think that's too much work for one niche, but I found doing that at the beginning for a couple of niches helped me get a hang of the pricing.
 


Allen.H said:
It's interesting to see a member who holds a reasonable weight in the Wickedfire community marking a new member in hope to liquidate him. Only problem is you have chose the wrong noob to deal with. My mother tongue isn't English, and obviously it does take me some more time to understand things, but there's an ignore option that you can use so you don't see my posts if you only want to help smartasses like you.


Have a nice day,
Allen.H
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Have you read these forums?
 
Wow really nice thread, I might have a go at slinging some money into 7search as well.

Question, are any of you guys using the AOL search data? When it just came out many blogs were ranting about how this was going to make ppc advertisers rich or something.
Some things I like about using that data is that you can process it with your own programs and search within you own searches and stuff, and still get massive keyword lists... unlike most online tools, wich limit the number of keywords you get from a search.
 
Google hates me I can earn TOPS 15 cents a click. I was at $1.50. Do I need to pull my sites down for a week? Is this smart pricing?
 
Hey cablemonkey, I had the exact problem last week. My highest click was around 12 cents for 3 days. Then it went away for 5 days or so. Now it appears to be back... I have no idea what causes this. I just chalk up to me being a noob still.
 
TheCableMonkey and Jathan:

Same thing happens to me. But I found once I put up a new site my first few clicks are for $1 or higher and then they start dropping off. Do you guys also have this happen or will you get high clicks for a few days and then they drop off?

Somone mentioned before that the average is what matters but I'm still bothered by the constant dropoffs.
 
PSU4Life said:
TheCableMonkey and Jathan:

Same thing happens to me. But I found once I put up a new site my first few clicks are for $1 or higher and then they start dropping off. Do you guys also have this happen or will you get high clicks for a few days and then they drop off?

Somone mentioned before that the average is what matters but I'm still bothered by the constant dropoffs.
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This makes sense. bait and switch! I got a new site that went up. I got over a dollar click since I wrote my last post. So its very profitable to run a campaign for a day and then kill it and move on to the next =)


I think its time to try some YAHOO.
 
You guys need to add a few things to your sites to make them look legit. Multiple pages with navigation, even if it's at the bottom where no one will ever see. Also privacy statement pages and terms of service pages. This will help with some smart pricing issues. Not all of course.
 
I know it probably doesn't mean much to the big hitters out there but I'd like to thank chrislingle for all the help in this thread and getting me more involved and interested in arbitrage. I don't post much but I do read a lot. Thanks again below are my stats from the 6 pages that I have created and have been using over the last month.

Using 7 Search after creating my own template and ad block


Amount Earned $17.73
Amount Spent $5.18
ROI 3.42/1
Total Profit $12.55

Thanks guys now I just need to go out there and start making some more pages and get a bigger budget for the coming months. Started with $100 bucks so I still have a lot to work with. Holla

Chicago
 
i've been pretty busy w/ work and studying for my CFA- didn't even notice that the stupid "web 2.0" banner I was using for my arb sites stopped working... I seriously haven't touched the 10 pages I made one night a month ago. Even w/ no title - just a stupid 250 word article ( most cut and pasted from wiki) and pics by the adsense- I still pulled in $250 bucks and spent $110. Not a great ROI, but for hardly doing anything I think its pretty cool.

Now if this fucking test will just get itself over with I can stop thinking about my stupid 'career' and get back to work ;)
 
Wow, finally. Two days reading, it was worth every damn minute.
Thank you all and especially Chris. This thread was really helpful!

Now i'm going to write some arbi pages =)

Cheers
 
I've switched from auto arbi back to manual. With auto I was only pulling 2:1 and sometimes less. Last night was my worst night with auto arbi. I spent around $8 and got $14... that was a big indicator that things are not going well. My CTR was horrible(maybe people actually read the shit I scrape). I had the same template as I had with manual arbi and my stats were down by a lot. The only difference was that the images didn't really match the subject. Although they didn't match, they were general enough to match any niche. I havn't found a suitable way to get images automatically with a script. Even if I did find a way to scrape them, some of the images probably wouldn't match the site either.

My CTR with auto arbi was about 10-30%. The ONLY reason I got 2:1 was because there would always be a niche that just did very well. With manual arbitrage, my record was $40 a day. I was only pulling $14 with the same sites using auto(paying the same amount).

I just now checked my stats and my CTR is about 30-300% lol(i hope i don't get banned).:evil_laughter: Most of my CTR is above 50%. I don't think I ever got below 30% doing it manually.

In other words, stick with what works for you and don't follow what everyone says. I don't plan to make a huge chunk of change with arbi anyways so going to manual isn't too big of a deal.

I honestly believe my arbi site layout is one of the best.
 
mason;
Keep in mind though - that even though you say 2:1 roi is small, it's POSITIVE roi! And as long as you're making profit, you can multiply that roi with volume. Arbi is a volume game.

If you only make $0.01 a day per site, but you have 100 000 sites - then that's an annual salary of $365k :)
 
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mason;
Keep in mind though - that even though you say 2:1 roi is small, it's POSITIVE roi! And as long as you're making profit, you can multiply that roi with volume. Arbi is a volume game.

If you only make $0.01 a day per site, but you have 100 000 sites - then that's an annual salary of $365k :)
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I'm in this camp as well. The law of large numbers is your friend.

Prove a concept, automate the process, repeat.......
 
ImagesAndWords said:
mason;
Keep in mind though - that even though you say 2:1 roi is small, it's POSITIVE roi! And as long as you're making profit, you can multiply that roi with volume. Arbi is a volume game.

If you only make $0.01 a day per site, but you have 100 000 sites - then that's an annual salary of $365k :)
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hmm well I just did 1 full day of reverting back to manual arbi and I still got 2:1! ._. Maybe it's just the ads that suck and not me lol, I did notice that I actually got clicks on almost ALL my sites. my clicks are 100% higher than when I did auto. Too bad more clicks != more money.

If this keeps up I guess I will go back to auto....
 
mason said:
hmm well I just did 1 full day of reverting back to manual arbi and I still got 2:1! ._. Maybe it's just the ads that suck and not me lol, I did notice that I actually got clicks on almost ALL my sites. my clicks are 100% higher than when I did auto. Too bad more clicks != more money.

If this keeps up I guess I will go back to auto....
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Something to keep in mind is what your time is worth. If doing it auto you can make 20 sites a day that make 2:1, but can only make 5 a day manually that make 4:1, then auto may pay off better for you in the long run.

Not trying to sway you or anything, just wanted to make sure you were looking at the bottom line.
 
ImagesAndWords said:
mason;
Keep in mind though - that even though you say 2:1 roi is small, it's POSITIVE roi! And as long as you're making profit, you can multiply that roi with volume. Arbi is a volume game.

If you only make $0.01 a day per site, but you have 100 000 sites - then that's an annual salary of $365k :)
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Um except you would have to spend $900,000 in domain registrar costs...bad idea
 
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