It's not really cheap, the fact that it converts is what's good. You'd have to have an extremely high CTR on Adsense and high paying clicks. Although I'm sure someone's pulling it off heh.
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It's not really cheap, the fact that it converts is what's good. You'd have to have an extremely high CTR on Adsense and high paying clicks. Although I'm sure someone's pulling it off heh.
I took a break for about a week to see how my conversions came in, and so far I'm pulling about 200% ROI I obviously decided to crank it back up.
Weird thing is, my ctr so far is .29 after 157,000 impressions, and the first couple weeks I was doing it, I never broke .1, and more often then not, sat around .02-.03.
Also, my affiliate tracking system tracks clicks in real time and after about 500 clicks claimed by Facebook, my tracking is showing about 375. That also didn't happen the first couple weeks of experimenting, it was usually really accurate.
Anybody else running into this stuff? I've e-mailed support, but haven't received a reply yet.
Weird thing is, my ctr so far is .29 after 157,000 impressions, and the first couple weeks I was doing it, I never broke .1, and more often then not, sat around .02-.03.
Also, my affiliate tracking system tracks clicks in real time and after about 500 clicks claimed by Facebook, my tracking is showing about 375. That also didn't happen the first couple weeks of experimenting, it was usually really accurate.
Anybody else running into this stuff? I've e-mailed support, but haven't received a reply yet.
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OK. So I've gone through this entire thread (well page 10.5 and I couldn't stand it any longer) I think its time to drop in on y'all and share some of the love after learning so much from WF posters. The reason why a lot of you aren't making money with FB (not all turbo, nicky, and friends I know you are
) is cuz your not thinkin like your players in this game. Two factors in this: FB (which seems to be all over the place but not really) and your customer (the lead, thats right your customer mo fuckas!)
#1. Facebook (ie your distribution): what has put these guys at the top of social networks; they put their users first! Bottom line. These people are the Apple of online communities. AND they are smart. Of course they will budge a little on large budget advertising (banner ad media buys) but social ads and your business is small patatuhs for them in the whole scheme of things. From you guys they want quality shit! Non of this black hat, "duping" bullshit. They want 3 things: ads their users are interested in, ads that aren't going to ruffle too many feathers (cuz they want everyone to feel comfortable on facebook), and ads that don't take away from their users Facebook and large Facebook advertisers surfing experience. I could go into more detail on this but this post would be too long (pushing it as is) and would scare people off form reading it. This is what is going to make or break your approval! So think like a person getting paid to deny ads based on these 3 things when you're making an ad BUUUT for fuck sakes think about these guys first (cuz thats who they are thinking about):
#2. The user! You customer! Take ownership of your offer! Know your fuckin customer people. Haha I laughed when I saw a guy pumping insurance ads to 15 to 19 year old people. Haha what a dummy! Use their targetting methods and give them an ad speaks to them and links to an ad about something they're interested in. Is that a hard concept! Get creative on your landing pages. Give content that they would want to check out with offers in there that a user instinctively clicks on cuz they are intersted in. Don't "dupe" em its short term and I guarantee going to affect your rankings and get you blacklisted and your ad shut the fuck down! FB is not stupid, you are stupid for thinking they're stupid. Did you notice a pattern in the posts. Coincidence that turpolapp after having success (ie keeping them overall pretty happy) is now getting ads approved fairly quickly. FB's shit is evolving for quality user ads people. This shits the new google rythm. Cry about it all you want...
If you are gonna throw shit at a wall (hit me up dude I want you as an aff, your fuckin hilarious) at least know what wall to throw it at:
Facebook Users Up 89% Over Last Year; Demographic Shift
Facebook Is Almost 2/3 Women (and other stats)
Which leads me to my final point (thanks to those that have stuck with me)
Do your fuckin research people! Don't stop at those 2 links. Figure out your audience on a deeper level and find an offer that will work for them. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! Know your audience before you start shopping for an offer then that offer will pop out!
Then all the testing and all that other stats stuff goes without saying. Listen to your gut but put don't go putting a ton of money into your gut feeling until it pans through on the stats. Then blow that shit out of the water!!! Its a win for FB (they get paid and their user is happy), its a win for the user (they get something they want out of the offer and it isn't a pain in the ass) and its a win for you (you get paid and FB will continue to give you traffic that will get you even more revs!)
Haha I know this thing is a bible but hope it helps. Looking forward to the replies tomorrow. Hit up turbo or nicky's link if you want to discuss it one on one but if not I'll see yah on the post tomorrow bitches! Wish y'all the best!
OK. So I've gone through this entire thread (well page 10.5 and I couldn't stand it any longer) I think its time to drop in on y'all and share some of the love after learning so much from WF posters. The reason why a lot of you aren't making money with FB (not all turbo, nicky, and friends I know you are
) is cuz your not thinkin like your players in this game. Two factors in this: FB (which seems to be all over the place but not really) and your customer (the lead, thats right your customer mo fuckas!)#1. Facebook (ie your distribution): what has put these guys at the top of social networks; they put their users first! Bottom line. These people are the Apple of online communities. AND they are smart. Of course they will budge a little on large budget advertising (banner ad media buys) but social ads and your business is small patatuhs for them in the whole scheme of things. From you guys they want quality shit! Non of this black hat, "duping" bullshit. They want 3 things: ads their users are interested in, ads that aren't going to ruffle too many feathers (cuz they want everyone to feel comfortable on facebook), and ads that don't take away from their users Facebook and large Facebook advertisers surfing experience. I could go into more detail on this but this post would be too long (pushing it as is) and would scare people off form reading it. This is what is going to make or break your approval! So think like a person getting paid to deny ads based on these 3 things when you're making an ad BUUUT for fuck sakes think about these guys first (cuz thats who they are thinking about):
#2. The user! You customer! Take ownership of your offer! Know your fuckin customer people. Haha I laughed when I saw a guy pumping insurance ads to 15 to 19 year old people. Haha what a dummy! Use their targetting methods and give them an ad speaks to them and links to an ad about something they're interested in. Is that a hard concept! Get creative on your landing pages. Give content that they would want to check out with offers in there that a user instinctively clicks on cuz they are intersted in. Don't "dupe" em its short term and I guarantee going to affect your rankings and get you blacklisted and your ad shut the fuck down! FB is not stupid, you are stupid for thinking they're stupid. Did you notice a pattern in the posts. Coincidence that turpolapp after having success (ie keeping them overall pretty happy) is now getting ads approved fairly quickly. FB's shit is evolving for quality user ads people. This shits the new google rythm. Cry about it all you want...
If you are gonna throw shit at a wall (hit me up dude I want you as an aff, your fuckin hilarious) at least know what wall to throw it at:
Facebook Users Up 89% Over Last Year; Demographic Shift
Facebook Is Almost 2/3 Women (and other stats)
Which leads me to my final point (thanks to those that have stuck with me)
Do your fuckin research people! Don't stop at those 2 links. Figure out your audience on a deeper level and find an offer that will work for them. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! Know your audience before you start shopping for an offer then that offer will pop out!
Then all the testing and all that other stats stuff goes without saying. Listen to your gut but put don't go putting a ton of money into your gut feeling until it pans through on the stats. Then blow that shit out of the water!!! Its a win for FB (they get paid and their user is happy), its a win for the user (they get something they want out of the offer and it isn't a pain in the ass) and its a win for you (you get paid and FB will continue to give you traffic that will get you even more revs!)
Haha I know this thing is a bible but hope it helps. Looking forward to the replies tomorrow. Hit up turbo or nicky's link if you want to discuss it one on one but if not I'll see yah on the post tomorrow bitches! Wish y'all the best!
OK.
Something is going on with Facebook, for real. I know there have been murmurs in this thread. So lets figure it out once and for all.
We keep saying the impressions have dropped. But what that means is the imressions have dropped for the amount I used to pay for my CPC based on the same CTR. Basicially If I want the same impressions I have to at least double (or more) my bid.
I went back to nickys calc today (after a while I kind of memorized the min bids for my campaigns so I haven't needed it) just to make sure I wasn't crazy. I took a campaign that has pretty much halted in impressions even after raising the bid multiple times.
CTR = .19 so according to the calc , min bid should be around .07 cents, Right?. Today at 16 cents it was still halted. I just had to raise it again to 20 cents.
Something is definitely going on. Is anyone else finding this? My on-record opinion is that the rules have changed. Whatever the FB formula was for min bids have changed and that they've increased it by at least 10 cents.
(BTW Nicky, this is nothing against your calculator which worked like a charm up until about a week ago when all this started happening .)
Something is going on with Facebook, for real. I know there have been murmurs in this thread. So lets figure it out once and for all.
We keep saying the impressions have dropped. But what that means is the imressions have dropped for the amount I used to pay for my CPC based on the same CTR. Basicially If I want the same impressions I have to at least double (or more) my bid.
I went back to nickys calc today (after a while I kind of memorized the min bids for my campaigns so I haven't needed it) just to make sure I wasn't crazy. I took a campaign that has pretty much halted in impressions even after raising the bid multiple times.
CTR = .19 so according to the calc , min bid should be around .07 cents, Right?. Today at 16 cents it was still halted. I just had to raise it again to 20 cents.
Something is definitely going on. Is anyone else finding this? My on-record opinion is that the rules have changed. Whatever the FB formula was for min bids have changed and that they've increased it by at least 10 cents.
(BTW Nicky, this is nothing against your calculator which worked like a charm up until about a week ago when all this started happening .)
Wasn't a week ago also when they introduced the "suggested bid" tool? So far for me it's way over the mark on what bids should be, but what if a lot of people are actually *listening* to it? A lot of people might have started bidding a lot higher if they're new facebook users, and maybe that, along with the xmas rush, is what's driving cost up?
It seems to me that all things being equal, even with high ctr's, as more advertisers join, cpc will go up.
It seems to me that all things being equal, even with high ctr's, as more advertisers join, cpc will go up.
Impressions have plummeted for me, as have Clicks. Ads that have a 0.6 CTR are getting 500 clicks on day and 50 the next. I'm going to continue testing for a couple of weeks as I believe the day has something to do with it
Anybody have any experience with FB support, and how long it takes for them to get back to you?
As far as my tracking goes, I'm still missing over 200 clicks from yesterday, and I'm afraid to start my campaigns again until I hear from them about what the problem is.
As far as my tracking goes, I'm still missing over 200 clicks from yesterday, and I'm afraid to start my campaigns again until I hear from them about what the problem is.
The only theory I Know is that we are all competeing for board space. I was thinking it was because now that all the advertisers are catching on there's only a finite amount of ad space to go around and the more you want impressions the more you have to pay...someone else (I forget who at the moment, was it Mortal? Look back through the thread) says he thinks it's because of all the holiday advertisers with the deep pockets competing for space....
Who knows, I hope he's right and I'm wrong. (<--wow you'll never see that sentence again )
Any other ideas???
Who knows, I hope he's right and I'm wrong. (<--wow you'll never see that sentence again
)Any other ideas???
Gah! Let's hope this passes-> FB was rocking for a couple of days, but now it's not even worthwhile as a traffic source.
It's still working perfectly for me turbo. Are you using your overall campaign CTR or daily or weekly or what?
I think that after your ad has been shown a few times to the same person, or after someone clicks your ad, they may stop showing it to that person, and since the target audience is always limited, this may account for a reduced CTR. Dunno.
The only theory I Know is that we are all competeing for board space. I was thinking it was because now that all the advertisers are catching on there's only a finite amount of ad space to go around and the more you want impressions the more you have to pay...someone else (I forget who at the moment, was it Mortal? Look back through the thread) says he thinks it's because of all the holiday advertisers with the deep pockets competing for space....
Who knows, I hope he's right and I'm wrong. (<--wow you'll never see that sentence again
Any other ideas???
Nah wasn't me but I did post an image of their ad appearing on DP. If they are pushing their platform hard it's probably just an influx of advertisers. Anyone notice FB gives you a rough estimate of what you should be bidding for your target market? Right beside where you put in your bid..
Didn't this all start happening about the same time they introduced the "suggested bid" when you're creating ads?
The bids it suggests are usually *way* high. I wonder if a lot of people are paying too much now, and it's driving up the price of impressions/clicks.
The bids it suggests are usually *way* high. I wonder if a lot of people are paying too much now, and it's driving up the price of impressions/clicks.
I just went through the creation process and basically duplicated an ad I already have running to see what the "suggested bid" would be.
This ad has been running for quite a while with a CPC of about 0.16. Suggested bid was 0.38-0.45.
I wonder how many people fall for it.
This ad has been running for quite a while with a CPC of about 0.16. Suggested bid was 0.38-0.45.
I wonder how many people fall for it.
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