You do realize that 90% of the population cares to do little else than that, right? The human race isn't exactly brimming with intellectuals.
Amazon, Facebook, Ebay or Google?
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You do realize that 90% of the population cares to do little else than that, right? The human race isn't exactly brimming with intellectuals.
^One post and already four whole words without any punctuation. You must be going for a record, banbait.
Of those 4 I would buy stock in facebook. Those of you that think that facebook can't compete in search don't understand what the bing / facebook partnership will really mean.
THIS
Facebook can, with their data and Microsoft partnership, build a more compelling search engine
Google cannot, regardless of (remaining) talent or capital, build a more compelling social network OR display ads network.
...Luckily for them they already bought umpteen Billion (with a B) dollars worth of the US national powergrid and are starting to roll out 1GB fiber at the same time.
Google will own it all; just watch. What is a dinky thing like search in comparison to being able to turn of your net connection AND your power??
fiber will not matter, within a few years we are all going to be running wireless mesh networks.
oh by the way, you cant turn that off.
Yahoo had a huge chunk of cash and an 8 year head start and got decimated. Cash alone won't displace google.
History has yet to prove that Facebook won't be just as ham fisted when it goes after search as google has been when it has tried to go after social.
I'm not being contrarian about the (seeming) consensus for Google's dire future just for the sake of it, I certainly hope your statement proves to be true, I just launched a startup around monetizing the social graph. I just don't see a knock out blow to Google from Facebook ending quickly. I see a parallel of how Google gradually displaced Microsoft but Microsoft continues to be a big relevant cash machine, Google will continue to be a big relevant cash machine.
Well that's a different set of parameters than the original question
Of course, but why would they use Facebook for anything else? What has Facebook succeeded in other than becoming a place for goofing around?
We are still waiting on "Facebook Search".
In the meantime Google just launched +1 that makes a lot more sense as a search feature than Facebook likes.
They've succeeded in gathering more personal information about more people than anything in the history of mankind. That personal information is far more valuable than demographic data - as a marketer, I'm sure you know that.
Really? What reason does anyone have to click a +1 in a search result? At least on Facebook users are sharing their likes with their "friends", but with Google there is no point to "plus" something. At least that's the way I see it based on Google's repeated failures at everything they have tried to launch since GMail.
Gotta agree with LukeP talking about Google.
...I believe they couldn't care less about their little side projects like "wave", etc. no matter how they're trying to be perceived. The amount of effort they put into promoting some of this shit is laughable, it's like they're just giving a team something to do and if it doesn't take off then whatever.
Google has some massive plans outside the whole traditional "online" thing they're known for and that's where the real money is. I think people are also discounting Google's close political connections (which become very significant in their new projects) to both parties, although it shouldn't be an asset, in an ideal world, it's an incredible asset that cannot necessarily just be bought.
When you control how the internet is delivered, not what's on it, you're in a superior position.
Also don't discount the loyalty of Google search users, I personally never use Bing except for when I'm scraping ads and advertising on it. Google may not have the level of user investment that FB has but when your brand is interchangeable with your product (Google = searching the internet) you aren't losing significant market share anytime soon.
But personally I feel that Google is caring less and less about their search results, search advertisements or any of their projects. There used to be a time when their support was at least existent for advertisers doing certain volume, but now it's non-existent.
I used to have a few guys I e-mailed about my ads on the content network and when I got back into it around half-a-year ago (post re-bill banning in 09) they both said they were working on other projects, not search, and said there weren't many reps working with even the biggest advertisers anymore. Whether that's telling of their priorities or not is vague but I believe it just confirms Google has bigger, more profitable and monopolistic priorities in mind. Possibly because they correctly see Facebook's increasing dominance and aren't looking for a fight in that arena.
Now inb4 another argument over monopolies and if they're valid.
Remember the internet, for people at these companies levels, is not a zero sum game. For Facebook to continue to grow it does not need to oppress Google's growth in a significant way. People get caught up too much in who will be #1, although I know that's the point of this thread so I'll digress.
...I believe they couldn't care less about their little side projects like "wave", etc. no matter how they're trying to be perceived. The amount of effort they put into promoting some of this shit is laughable, it's like they're just giving a team something to do and if it doesn't take off then whatever.
Google has some massive plans outside the whole traditional "online" thing they're known for and that's where the real money is. I think people are also discounting Google's close political connections (which become very significant in their new projects) to both parties, although it shouldn't be an asset, in an ideal world, it's an incredible asset that cannot necessarily just be bought.
When you control how the internet is delivered, not what's on it, you're in a superior position.
Also don't discount the loyalty of Google search users, I personally never use Bing except for when I'm scraping ads and advertising on it. Google may not have the level of user investment that FB has but when your brand is interchangeable with your product (Google = searching the internet) you aren't losing significant market share anytime soon.
But personally I feel that Google is caring less and less about their search results, search advertisements or any of their projects. There used to be a time when their support was at least existent for advertisers doing certain volume, but now it's non-existent.
I used to have a few guys I e-mailed about my ads on the content network and when I got back into it around half-a-year ago (post re-bill banning in 09) they both said they were working on other projects, not search, and said there weren't many reps working with even the biggest advertisers anymore. Whether that's telling of their priorities or not is vague but I believe it just confirms Google has bigger, more profitable and monopolistic priorities in mind. Possibly because they correctly see Facebook's increasing dominance and aren't looking for a fight in that arena.
Now inb4 another argument over monopolies and if they're valid.
Remember the internet, for people at these companies levels, is not a zero sum game. For Facebook to continue to grow it does not need to oppress Google's growth in a significant way. People get caught up too much in who will be #1, although I know that's the point of this thread so I'll digress.
This is true. However they failed in turning this data into user action beyond the most basic "goofing off" use cases.
They are not the only ones collecting data and if anything we can expect the marketplace for data profiles to become more liquid, not controlled by a single company.
Sharing with friends is not the most important reason.
The number one reason is self-expression. Do you think that most people who click "like" on websites even know that it gets posted into Facebook?
If anything more anonymous liking possible with +1 is going to make more people at ease with taking action.
Would you really "like" anal warts product on Facebook? On +1 there should be no inhibition to do that.
You're both wrong on this one. +1 _IS_ going to tell your friends (through your google profile and underneath search results that they see) what products and pages you like when you use it.
-But UG is wrong on his opposing point too. There is an awesome reason to +1 something... You just wouldn't likely do it from the SERP, but from the landing page itself.
The reason is because Like buttons are ONLY linked to your FB profile... Just for your friends to learn about. +1 will give everyone on a Google SERP knowlege of how EVERYONE feels about that link or ad. -A very good addition to their SERP, if you ask me.
As soon as the +1 buttons that are the same size and shape as Like buttons come out, it's going to be GAME ON.
I think Google has it setup so that every Friday each Google employee has license to work on whatever they want (including creating their own project) as long as it can in some way benefit Google. Then if Google sees one of these projects that they especially like they'll start getting other people to work on it as well (they claim that is how products like gmail and adsense were created).
I'd imagine this is where a lot of these shitty half-assed products are coming from.
Google has their foothold very strong in search. I cannot imagine they are going anywhere, even in my lifetime. As far as their growth, well they already have reached a point to where they are forced to spend money just because they are sitting on so much of it (shareholders tend to not like that).
eBay holds a unique spot in the market place because they trade used goods, which is becoming more relevant in today's economy. But it also seems like eBay is becoming more of a cut-and-dry eCommerce site, with small changes here and there, which may prove to contend with Amazon.
eBay holds a unique spot in the market place because they trade used goods, which is becoming more relevant in today's economy. But it also seems like eBay is becoming more of a cut-and-dry eCommerce site, with small changes here and there, which may prove to contend with Amazon.