You are in a trolly speeding toward 5 people

Who would you kill if you have to choose?

  • The 5

    Votes: 5 7.1%

  • The 1

    Votes: 5 7.1%

  • Whichever lead to the least amount of lawsuits

    Votes: 4 5.7%

  • Whichever doesn't have big mafia dad that will slice you to pieces if you harm his heir

    Votes: 4 5.7%

  • Whichever will maximize your reproductive success

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • This poll is fucking retarded

    Votes: 43 61.4%
  • Total voters
    70


JoseArmando said:
I also thought it's as simple as that but there are two options:
- you don't do anything and can therefore absolve yourself of any guilt
- you consciously kill that other person and are therefore quantifying that 5 people>1 person which is in itself a dangerous path of thinking

Why can the second be dangerous? Is it moral to test a new vaccine on 100 people and definitely kill at least a few of them in the process to save millions?

What about killing 1000 to save a 2000? Where's the line?
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Here we go, actually bringing some deeper thought into a WF STS thread again...


The Human species can never advance until we realize that #'s of life lost isn't the most important criteria in such situations. There are certainly times when 1000 people dying for 1 person to live is justified. It all depends on the situation and the outcome, and of course if personal liberties are kept in mind.

If this sounds cold and heartless to you, it's because you're a monkey. Learn about Voluntaryism and deal with it.
 
JoseArmando said:
I also thought it's as simple as that but there are two options:
- you don't do anything and can therefore absolve yourself of any guilt
- you consciously kill that other person and are therefore quantifying that 5 people>1 person which is in itself a dangerous path of thinking

Why can the second be dangerous? Is it moral to test a new vaccine on 100 people and definitely kill at least a few of them in the process to save millions?

What about killing 1000 to save a 2000? Where's the line?
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I dunno; it seems like the analogies you used are poor. In this scenario it's not like you're sacrificing the one guy's life to save the other 4. It's either kill the 1 guy or kill the 1 guy + the other 4. I suppose you're right about the guilt thing, assuming you were able to freeze time and were made to sentence a specific person to death. But I think that realistically you wouldn't have time to choose a specific person out of the four - most likely you'd be hitting whichever one is at the end of whatever direction you chose to swerve. Personally I'd still be able to absolve any guilt I held with the notion that "I did what I could".

I mean really, wouldn't you feel more guilty for doing nothing when you could have done something and saved some of their lives? It seems bizarre someone would feel no guilt by pretending they were unable to do something.
 
lukep said:
There are certainly times when 1000 people dying for 1 person to live is justified.

If this sounds cold and heartless to you, it's because you're a monkey. Learn about Voluntaryism and deal with it.
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Thank you, that skin deep wikipedia article totally clarified this seemingly bold and complicated claim in just a few short minutes. I am now able to weigh human life with a clear and unobstructed conscience as a result of my newfound respect for nonviolence, free markets, Gandhi and Thoreau.

Nuke a gay whale for Jesus.
 
mikeshinobi said:
I don't see the difficulty of the question. Killing one person is "less bad" than killing 5 people. Aren't you supposed to make it to where it's something like killing a bus full of prisoners vs. an innocent baby?
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If you're a utilitarian, then yes, killing 1 person to save 5 is less bad.

If you're a Kantian (golden rule), you can never use anyone else as simply a means to an end (IE: you can't kill someone or let them die on purpose in the interest of another motive, such as saving more people).

Neither is wrong or right, they both have merits. Utilitarianism is essentially the basis for the ethics of war (See: Hiroshima). Kantian ideals are a little less murky but still leave you in a dilly of a pickle in the trolley mind experiment.

Most people operate under a weird mix of both ethical frameworks. It's difficult to categorize yourself entirely under any specific ethical framework as there are more actors and influences in the world than just yourself.
 
charlesmartel said:
Two questions:

1. Any naggers in the group?
2. Any of them work for the gov't?
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I thought you meant trolley like being a troll + ly... easy answer kill 1 guy

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drave said:
1) i'd promise everyone i would stop the trolley
2) i'd let the trolley plow down everyone
3) i'd blame the deaths on the fact that the trolley was already moving before i tried to stop it
4) i'd run for re-election
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LOL that was funny. :stonedsmilie:
 
I am not asking what's ethical. I am asking "what would you do?"

Also I agree with those that say they'll jump out of trolley.

Unless a person is family or friends, all I care is not getting sued or jailed. That means I'll follow the path of least action.

There are many ways how your choice can affect your reproductive success. One of the worker may be your son. The five may be terrorists.

Also as someone point out. If I chose between 5 thugs and 1 billionaires, the choice is obvious.

Western moral dilemma often contain a hidden assumption that all humans are equally worthy, which is simply false.

Osama's life worth -$10 million for US. Most of you are willing to spend money to kill him. Bill Gates life worth $30 billion for all the good he has done.

You and your family of course worth more than others.

In china often 10k people in a family are killed for rebelling against emperor. Now that's what I call family value. One family worth more than the other.
 
I VOTE for teguh as the official "see post for details" for the Wickedfire Crew!!

Woman wrecks the Trolley at 1:35 in the video.

Trolley lawsuit continues as crash video released // SEE VIDEO - The News Herald


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BTW, not enough INFO for me to vote in this Teguh thread.

I'm assuming that it was NOT a Trolley with overhead electrical wires to power it and metal train wheels to keep it on a track built into the road. There is no turning the wheel with these.


But, assuming you meant one of the newer ones that is really a small bus that can pretty much go anywhere you turn the steering wheel, I needed to know at WHAT SPEED it was moving at the time the decision needed to be made.


If the Trolley could have tipped over due to the speed and turning the wheel, then those five pedestrians will be Trolley Fodder!! I am NOT risking my life or limbs for some idiots in the road in front of a trolley.



Typical Teguh thread.........:sigh:

Lulz


I nominate and vote for Teguh as our very own Sign Boy!!!


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If the one guy is your son, I am sure you would not switch the trolley and PRETEND you don't see the 5 or deliberately avoiding seeing the 5.

Seriously. You think anyone would behave differently?

Maybe I shouldn't ask what would you do. If I ask what would you do, everyone would pretend they are saints.

I should ask what would typical people do. It's the same with what you would do because we're not that different.

Actually what exactly this driver do anyway? http://www.newsherald.com/articles/video-100213-panama-released.html
 
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