WF Member ChristopherT is a Scammer?

[ChristopherT]

This was on Dec 2nd, I sent him 2 message after that which are still unanswered.

Yes , you send me 1 pm per day for 2 days and then you come here and shout shit .Makes it worse for you .

I apologize if my thread offended some people, I dont want beef, and yes, perhaps I could have worded my initial thread / post a little differently, and maybe I could have also been a little more patient, but overall it's been dragging on for weeks and it's "funny" that within hours of posting this thread I finally hear from ChristopherT (although my PMs are still unanswered)...

Nothing funny here . I clearly mentioned above(so i still and will never respond to your pm or whatever) - Pm me your paypal id/trasaction id and get your refund , not worth my energy to do these kinda online fights for 150 dollars .

End of story .

 

[ChristopherT]

So if the scam isn't proved, can some mod edit the title of this thread?


:stop:


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Golan , My brother - Exactly what i was about to type .:drinkup:

 

[Fatbat]

Let me get this straight. Rasta_Cook placed an order for ChristopherT's services 2 1/2 weeks ago and has yet to receive the services he paid for? The services were misrepresented in ChristopherT's sales thread?

Although the thread title is pretty gay, and Rasta could have gone about things differently, it sure seems like he has a legitimate beef to me.

 

[3nyaw]

in case you wonder what kiopa_matts problem is.

He once wrote a "software" and sold it with free upgrades forever, then quickly let it go to shit, sold it to some other guy and told customers to fuck off.

hence happily siding with scammers.

my real sql string

 

[Gertex]

I apologize if my thread offended some people, I dont want beef, and yes, perhaps I could have worded my initial thread / post a little differently, and maybe I could have also been a little more patient, but overall it's been dragging on for weeks and it's "funny" that within hours of posting this thread I finally hear from ChristopherT (although my PMs are still unanswered)...

Don't have a dog in this fight but I can answer why you heard from him about this so quickly.
I was talking to ChrisT on skype about a couple of his links last week. Saw this thread, which was of interested since I was going to hire Chris on Monday for one of those links.
When I saw him come online on skype I asked him about it. He was floored and had no idea it existed. Hence you hearing from him right away.

 

[Fatbat]

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What part of the post don't you like?

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Let me get this straight. Rasta_Cook placed an order for ChristopherT's services 2 1/2 weeks ago and has yet to receive the services he paid for? The services were misrepresented in ChristopherT's sales thread?

Although the thread title is pretty gay, and Rasta could have gone about things differently, it sure seems like he has a legitimate beef to me.

So when you have a legitimate beef over a $150 purchase, what do you do? Throw a childish tantrum in public, or act like a mature adult, file a dispute with PayPal, and move on with your life?

 

[Fatbat]

So when you have a legitimate beef over a $150 purchase, what do you do? Throw a childish tantrum in public, or act like a mature adult, file a dispute with PayPal, and move on with your life?

You do understand that we have outed scammers here on Wickedfire as long as this board has existed right? That people here who have been scammed by others have a duty to let the rest of us know they've been scammed so we can all avoid being ripped off? This isn't new Matt, it's kind of a thing here. You're well aware of this, so quit being so fucking obtuse. Or is 3nyaw right?

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

You do understand that we have outed scammers here on Wickedfire as long as this board has existed right? That people here who have been scammed by others have a duty to let the rest of us know they've been scammed so we can all avoid being ripped off? This isn't new Matt, it's kind of a thing here. You're well aware of this, so quit being so fucking obtuse. Or is 3nyaw right?

I have no problem calling someone out if they're actually a piece of shit. It was apparent straight from the OP though this wasn't an overly serious calling out. The guy didn't even understand why the sales thread was now locked, never requested a refund, and didn't even seem to know if it was possible to file a dispute with PayPal.

And Google is going to index this thread, so there's a good chance ChrisT just took a 20% pay cut thanks to this idiot. Do you really think that was justified?

I have no problem with calling a spade a spade -- just make sure you know what you're talking about before you go ahead with it.

 

[golan]

You do understand that we have outed scammers here on Wickedfire as long as this board has existed right? That people here who have been scammed by others have a duty to let the rest of us know they've been scammed so we can all avoid being ripped off? This isn't new Matt, it's kind of a thing here.

You are always okay man, i can't get what happened to you today. If someone is scammed or thinks he's scammed, he first and foremost goes to a special Zingo thread right in BST. Not posting these things in other places. And surely not with this fucking thread title, that can ruin the guy's business. Okay, he apologized for this title, but what did it change? It's sure got indexed a long ago, and we know that there are no mods anymore here to fix that.


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[juicebox]

b) You paid what? $150 for a link? Suck it up sweetheart, and welcome to the world of online business.

You're kind of coming across as a faggot.

Price is irrelevant. Yet you keep mentioning it like it fucking matters.

If I build a shitty product, like you did, and sold it for $56 dollars, then decided not to deliver my product to the end customers, I'm not a scammer? I shouldn't be outted? Everyone should carry on with their merry fucking lives? Everyone should just chalk it up as a loss and move on? Don't tell anyone? Keep it a secret? Don't even tell dad?

It's only 56 dollars, right? Fuck it. We're all b@llin here. Well apparently you are, anyway.

I don't know who is right or wrong in this thread..But you sir, are kind of retarded, if not fully mentally unstable.

I hope no one here (or anywhere) ever buys a product from you. You just told the fucking world that customers don't matter unless they spend $1MM on a product. Those customers probably don't matter either.


Can't even train a fucking dog, so uses "I don't want them to feel stupid" as an excuse. You're dogs make you look stupid, BTW.



Like I said be4 tho, I don't know if ChristopherT is a scammer or if Cock_Rasta is a Phaggot. I don't really care, either.


And no, I'm not upset. Just tired of reading Kioppa_Idiot's responses.

 

[icestationzebra]

lol classic.

mgrunin accused of scamming Facebook, wickedfire lynches him.

Some guy selling shitty links gets accused of being a scammer, wickedfire pounces to his defence.

So if the scam isn't proved, can some mod edit the title of this thread?

Should change grunins thread name too eh

 

[drave]

lol classic.

mgrunin accused of scamming Facebook, wickedfire lynches him.

Some guy selling shitty links gets accused of being a scammer, wickedfire pounces to his defence.



Should change grunins thread name too eh

or maybe change your name to mgrunin?

 

[ChristopherT]

lol classic.

mgrunin accused of scamming Facebook, wickedfire lynches him.

Some guy selling shitty links gets accused of being a scammer, wickedfire pounces to his defence.



Should change grunins thread name too eh

I wanted to end this discussion. . . but... "Some guy selling shitty links" - you gota understand what you are talking about - if these are shitty links i wouldn't have 50+ happy customers and a lot of positive reviews (Not even a single negative review or complain from 50+ customers till now) from right here in wickedfire.These are shitty for people that wanted a footer link on a magazine for 149 and get an editorial instead.


"gets accused of being a scammer " - No one should be accused of scamming before the end result . Let me get this straight for all .

A.OP ordered 1 link from me for $149 .

B. TAT was 7 days , i delivered it in 5 days.

C. OP had some questions and problem with anchor/article status .

D. We were talking about this issue over pm .

E.I didn't reply to his p.m for 4 days (2 weekend days and 2 working days) since i was having some other issues like moving , travelling .Nevertheless 2 clients pm'ed me on the same day with a budget of about $1000 for these links and was keen to move ahead (arconsis , Daniel POP) but i haven't replied to them for the same 4 days as well (So it's like i didn't even visit wickedfire for these 4 days ) and OP was delivered the service (although he wanted some corrections) and he NEVER ask me for a refund atleast once .Had it been asked "earlier" and if i denied it...that should make some sense..but nadda nothing...Chris is a scammer and a direct thread .


It's like i come to your shop , i buy the least valued product and complain some things on that i didn't like and you try to correct it but you got busy with something and said me " i will definitely take care of this , i will update you shortly" ..but i didn't bother about what you said..i wouldn't understand if you are busy or not.. i didn't care to ask for refund or anything ...and i shout to the world that you are a scammer and spoil your good rep which you had for 5 years.

No , this is just not about online reputation .I know a few people personally here in Bangkok ..so it's more than just online reputation .There should be some logic in this thread at-least if i did scam or denied refund(although link is live even now )..but nothing...

Let me know when you open a BST and i will show you what a bad customer means .

 

[Rasta_Cook]

B. TAT was 7 days , i delivered it in 5 days.

Lies. Your own thread states that the TAT is 3 to 6 days depending on which magazine. After we talked about my order and I had specifically chosen a magazine, you told me the TAT was 3 days.

C. OP had some questions and problem with anchor/article status .
D. We were talking about this issue over pm .

Half-Truth. Yes, there was problems with the anchor, keywords and most importantly the status of the article which was in an unpublished status, obviously that is a big problem. After pointing this out, you initially told me you could change the anchor, then after a second PM you changed your mind and told me you would have to look into it and get back to me, then after not getting back to me for a while and me having to ask yet again you suddenly changed your tone and simply told me that you provided the editorial link and that the fact that the article was in an unpublished status did not matter! That was your last message, after that you conveniently got very busy and couldn't find the time to answer my following messages, and you never said you'd get back to me or anything else after that last message, it seemed like to you the job was done, with no further discussion necessary.

and he NEVER ask me for a refund atleast once .Had it been asked "earlier" and if i denied it...that should make some sense..

True. I didnt ask for a refund before because I didnt want a refund, I just wanted you to deliver what I paid for. Obviously now we are way past that point as you are still not delivering what I paid for and you just sent me a PM denying my refund despite publicly saying twice in this thread that you'd refund me :

Fuck it , i will just refund your 150..

Pm me your paypal id/trasaction id and get your refund , not worth my energy to do these kinda online fights for 150 dollars .

You said its not worth your time, but you keep wasting time, especially with that last rant you just posted... I mean, after I sent you my paypal id/trasaction id by PM yesterday, you finally just answered me a few minutes ago and you seem to have changed your mind (again), now it seems you wont give me the refund unless I delete this thread... which is something I cannot do!

I already apologized for the thread title privately and publicly, I gave you the option to complete the order or refund me, I PMed mods to change the thread title (but, unfortunately it hasn't happened so far... if some other mod sees this, could you please change the title of the thread?) ...

I'm fed up of this, quit playing games, if your reputation is so important then honor your word and refund me!?

 

[golan]

Some guy selling shitty links gets accused of being a scammer, wickedfire pounces to his defence.

We don't defend him. At least myself, i have no idea what he sells and how he is delivering.

My point is: no one to be called scammer for his BST, until questioned in a proper Zingo thread first.

Imagine the seller is fully right and the buyer is a mean shitfuck. (I don't say this is a case now, just an example). And then we have this thread title stuck to a legit seller reputation forever.

That's all.



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[andrewkar]

Both OP and service provider are total noobs...

Service provider should clearly state the rules of communication and if he didn't, then OP should. It's that simple.

What means "I will update you shortly?" Is this business or some gay party?

 

[Bannay]

what some comments I have been astonished .

 

[greenleaves]

I wanted to end this discussion. . . but... "Some guy selling shitty links" - you gota understand what you are talking about - if these are shitty links i wouldn't have 50+ happy customers and a lot of positive reviews (Not even a single negative review or complain from 50+ customers till now) from right here in wickedfire.These are shitty for people that wanted a footer link on a magazine for 149 and get an editorial instead.


"gets accused of being a scammer " - No one should be accused of scamming before the end result . Let me get this straight for all .

A.OP ordered 1 link from me for $149 .

B. TAT was 7 days , i delivered it in 5 days.

C. OP had some questions and problem with anchor/article status .

D. We were talking about this issue over pm .

E.I didn't reply to his p.m for 4 days (2 weekend days and 2 working days) since i was having some other issues like moving , travelling .Nevertheless 2 clients pm'ed me on the same day with a budget of about $1000 for these links and was keen to move ahead (arconsis , Daniel POP) but i haven't replied to them for the same 4 days as well (So it's like i didn't even visit wickedfire for these 4 days ) and OP was delivered the service (although he wanted some corrections) and he NEVER ask me for a refund atleast once .Had it been asked "earlier" and if i denied it...that should make some sense..but nadda nothing...Chris is a scammer and a direct thread .


It's like i come to your shop , i buy the least valued product and complain some things on that i didn't like and you try to correct it but you got busy with something and said me " i will definitely take care of this , i will update you shortly" ..but i didn't bother about what you said..i wouldn't understand if you are busy or not.. i didn't care to ask for refund or anything ...and i shout to the world that you are a scammer and spoil your good rep which you had for 5 years.

No , this is just not about online reputation .I know a few people personally here in Bangkok ..so it's more than just online reputation .There should be some logic in this thread at-least if i did scam or denied refund(although link is live even now )..but nothing...

Let me know when you open a BST and i will show you what a bad customer means .

You Sir, are a fucking idiot.

Just like all the service providers jumping to your defense.


I'm a buyer from the BST. I've actually sold there once too.

I've sold many things on many places for over 10 years now.

I've dealt with angry customers, most of whom had less of a legitimate gripe than your customer seems to have.

And you know what? I've ACQUIRED customers from complaint threads. Yes. Acquired. Not lost.

Why?

Because when people come accusing me of scamming, it is an opportunity to show just how wonderful I am at giving top notch service.

Someone asks:

Is so and so a scam?

And bam!

So and So appears, no anger or defensiveness, just solve the issue, apologize for any inconvenience, and sometimes I leave a special coupon for potential customers looking at it to verify, on a discount, just how awesome my service is. Hell, I've turned not just one angry poster, but full lynch mobs on industry forums in my favor.

It is done by being obliging. Subservient.

If you would have done that, you could use this thread as advertising, and since I'm actually in the process of buying links for a client, I'd buy from you.

But no. You came on here and got all butt hurt and showed absolutely no professionalism. It doesn't matter if the customer spent $1 or $1000. Customers deserve respect. Period. They are fucking feeding you. Putting a roof over your head. Putting clothes on your back.

As a buyer, I'd never want to purchase from a seller like you.

So I will not be buying from you.

Or any of the other sellers standing up for you.

I don't care what it is about. I only care how YOU REACT. And you did a piss poor job at it.

@ OP, your post seems premature, but I still thank you for ensuring I avoid losing money and time with d-bags.

 

[greenleaves]

@ ChristopherT,

I wrote a reply for you to see the difference between butt hurt answers and professional, intelligent answers. It doesn't have to be exactly like this, but a reply in this nature would have earned you my business, and likely that of other members. If you reply to complaints like this, you would actually welcome complaints as free advertising:

Hi Rasta_Cook,

I'm really sorry to hear your inconvenience with your purchase of my Super high Quality Editorial Links on top Magazines.

I meant to answer you sooner, but I have been buried in work. That is no excuse though, I know it can be very frustrating to go 4 days without a reply. I sincerely apologize. For future reference, I don't work weekends. I'll make sure to make this clear to you and all future customers so you can know what type of time frame to expect from communicating with me.

Regarding the link you purchased. It is live, but you are right that it is not 'published' in the traditional sense of the word on their website. It is an internal, un-liked page. By published I simply meant that the article would be live on their site, not that it would be featured on any main section of the website. I meant to use the word publish in the technical sense of a published page, not in the traditional writer sense of 'published' being a featured writing.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of certain types of sites that we link to, it is not always possible to get both a link that sticks and one that is well featured. Sometimes 'stealth' can ensure longevity.

I will make sure to be more explicit about the exact nature of the links I provide in my future sales threads. Thank you very much for pointing out the potential misunderstanding that the language ambiguity could lead to. I truly value all my customers and getting this information will allow me to provide better service. And providing the best service possible is what I'm about.



To provide a solution to your problem I offer you two possible options;

1- We can build links from other pages of that magazine to the one where your link is.
2- If you agree that it be fair, I'll provide you with a 50% refund for the misunderstanding. If you feel this is not enough, I'll provide you with a 100% refund. The refund will be completed within 1 business day from the time I receive a reply via PM with your transaction ID.



Again, I'm really sorry you have experienced an inconvenience. We'll work with you until you are 100% satisfied. Your satisfaction is our #1 priority.

We also offer another service that might be beneficial to you. It is called "PUT SOMETHING HERE". I'd like to offer you a 60% refund for you to try it out and verify the quality of our work without any misunderstanding.

Thank you and have a Great Day,
Your Name Goes Here
Owner of XYZ Service
Skype: Handle.here