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Welfare... Fucking pisses me off
- Thread starter danke
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Do you really think even the tiniest strand of peach fuzz on my huge pimpled affiliate butt is set aquiver by such a weak sauce attempt at trolling?
Speaking of the Dead Kennedys (veering off topic), I was a juror in the trial of Jello Biafra when he was charged with "distributing harmful matter to minors" - they had a rude poster by that bizzaro artist named Geiger included in one of their albums. What do you all think of the legal system and trial by jury? If there is anything that gives welfare competition for being the biggest cluster f* it's the court system.
Europe isn't "broke" you numbskull, its a diverse continent with 30+ countries. Germany for instance, which applies much of the unspecified "eurofagottry" that you refer to (presumed to be welfare state, employment rights for workers, free/cheap education, free/subsidised healthcare) is the world's second biggest exporter and is booming. The middle class have comfortable lives, unlike the US where millions cant even get hospital treatment and live off foodstamps.
Germany has the economic strengths America once boasted - latimes.com
Some countries in Europe are totally fucked from overspending and corruption, e.g. greece, but everyone in those countries has access to basic services. but some regions of the US are like a 3rd world country with no safety net for the poor who are shut out of society "because theyre lazy and want handouts".
I love the propaganda about how the poor are supposedly living lives of luxury on welfare, "taken care of" by the state.
Wealthy Fox pundit Stuart Varney reminds poor people just how much better off they are nowadays | Crooks and Liars
"Poor" in America - The Colbert Report - 2011-26-07 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Ive never done it, but I can be pretty confident that living on welfare is SHIT.
LOL, everyone wants to bring up the only rich regions in whole continents as examples... I could do the same, my town has a median family income over $130K, doesn't mean that what works here works everywhere.
Most people on welfare are lazy, because most people are lazy...
Most people who don't even think they're lazy are too deluded to know that they're lazy.
I've seen it, I had roommates who were on it, I even had one try and give me his card once his student loan money (it was the difference from FAFSA: $5,000 from uncle sam) came in because "you shouldn't have to pay for food".
Handouts neuter the psyche and dull the spirit. And if you like living in your middle class utopia somewhere, congrats.
Me? I like the idea of seeing a Ferrari every morning and wiggling my toes in the sand.
If you want to live and die like a lemming so be it.
Never be a minion.
Most people on welfare are lazy, because most people are lazy...
Most people who don't even think they're lazy are too deluded to know that they're lazy.
I've seen it, I had roommates who were on it, I even had one try and give me his card once his student loan money (it was the difference from FAFSA: $5,000 from uncle sam) came in because "you shouldn't have to pay for food".
Handouts neuter the psyche and dull the spirit. And if you like living in your middle class utopia somewhere, congrats.
Me? I like the idea of seeing a Ferrari every morning and wiggling my toes in the sand.
If you want to live and die like a lemming so be it.
Never be a minion.
By "Rich Regions" you mean Germany? Population 80 million?
Your town isn't an independent country.
Oh, I guess you didn't get the memo. I was ignoring you because Germany is a stupid example. Your per capita GDP is lower than the USA's and you're nearly four times smaller in population. Not to mention you have a lower Human Development Index... Hurr durr
Per Capita GDP:
Germany: $37,935
United States: $48,147
Don't even get us started on some WWII jokes.
THE USA is #4 in HDI as well as the most populous and largest in area on the list and the only one out of the top 7 that doesn't tax you into the next century.
Ever wonder why people come here? Because the American consumer moves the world, by the way...
FUCK SOCCER.
Yeah your town is a much more relevant example (of what exactly?).
I'd rather be middle class in Germany than in the USA, doesnt mean Germany is better in every respect. Living on 50k in Germany is better than living on 50k in most of the US.
You might like this to reinforce your ideas of laziness and entitlement:
Lottery couple defend benefit claim - Yahoo!
I don't know why this is so fucking hard for people
Welfare isn't bad.
Welfare is abused and the system is a little fucked up because it's bloated.
There are some real needs for a level of social welfare, without it you're not running a civilized society.
The fact that someone like ODB can pick up a welfare check from the back of a limo is an issue, but it doesn't mean the entire system should be gotten rid of.
The fucking world isn't black and white. Only dipshits think in black and white.
Welfare isn't bad.
Welfare is abused and the system is a little fucked up because it's bloated.
There are some real needs for a level of social welfare, without it you're not running a civilized society.
The fact that someone like ODB can pick up a welfare check from the back of a limo is an issue, but it doesn't mean the entire system should be gotten rid of.
The fucking world isn't black and white. Only dipshits think in black and white.
Yes, thankyou.
The issue is so complicated and welfare isn't inherently bad but like any system it's not perfect. Some people (a minority ) will also look to abuse it.
I lol at this thread, so much stupid going around on some of the posts.
What I find funny is, half the thread alone is prob on welfare right now.
What I find funny is, half the thread alone is prob on welfare right now.
So some people feel that redistribution of wealth under threat of violence isn't inherently bad. I presume they feel that if the person with the gun is an agent of the state then it's fine.
Why? How would the resources that fund welfare be used if they weren't confiscated by the state? How would this use affect the people you believe need help from welfare programs? Unless you can account for how millions of people would voluntarily use this money if they got to keep it and how it would affect those currently on welfare, you can't say that we need welfare. How do you know that the outcome wouldn't be better without welfare?
Also, many of the situations where people need help are created by government intervention in the first place. It's not compassionate to blindly support welfare programs without asking a few very important questions:
1. Why do these problems exist in the first place?
2. Is this the best use of these resources in resolving the problem?
3. Do these policies actually solve the original problem?
4. Are other problems created by the intervention?
If your actual intent is to help others, supporting anything government does without being able to answer the questions above is wrong because you may be creating a worse outcome for those you supposedly want to help.
Note: I really don't want to get involved in a debate, but I hadn't seen some of these points raised, so I thought I'd post.
Lets start with my schizophrenic brother.
People need to get it through their fucking thick skulls that welfare isn't just about giving money to black women in the Ghetto (as if that is inherently bad too)
I do believe there are some serious problems with welfare, such as it is (at least in the US). Work disincentive, fraud, market distortion, the welfare "trap," multi-generational welfare dependency, etc.
Is there a better solution? Perhaps. Consider the basic income guarantee, which could potentially replace many current social programs:
wikipedia said:
If you take the time to give it some thought, you can see how it could address many of the problems with the current welfare system/social programs. And before you dismiss it out of hand as some crazy socialist scheme, consider that the Austrian economist F.A. Hayek himself supported a basic income. Milton Friedman, another central figure in libertarian economic thought, supported a similar concept - the negative income tax, and, in fact, a NIT was almost passed under Nixon in the 70s.
It's too bad more libertarians don't support these ideas, as they clearly have merit, and would go a long way toward placating those on the left.
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Agreed....it's ridiculous. And it's a shame that people take advantage of what I consider a otherwise good program. If those who truly needed it got it, spent it properly and only stayed on it until they got themselves on their feet (if possible).
But hey, people love tricking systems so this is just another example. Blackhat welfare might be applicable as a term.
But hey, people love tricking systems so this is just another example. Blackhat welfare might be applicable as a term.