Trump for US President?

[andrewkar]

The edit timer expired before I caught this.

Sun is important yeah, but actually dark skin protects better from skin cancer so actually yeah PLEASE give us further explanation because your incoherent ramble doesn't make as much sense in written form than it does in your head.

Are you saying people with dark skin will have a vitamin D deficiency in your geographical region?

Yes and no. Vitamin D deficiency plays an important role for sure, but it's not just this. Different culture, different ways of life etc. I know that in the US it looks different, and is probably less obvious, because many different races live there already together since long years. But if you look at predominantly "white" European countries where dark skinned people are just a tiny fraction of population, you will notice that, aside of vitamin D question, there are many sociological aspects that are probably more important IMO. There are studies done on this if you want to investigate.

Think about all those already depressed people who are invading Europe these days. Europe or precisely EU countries simply don't have tools or capacity to properly accommodate them. And taking into account that native (mostly "white") Europeans population is slowly declining, makes this situation even worse.

My point of view is different than yours probably, because I grew up in 100% native European "white" environment. Still, I've never had any problem with any skin colours, but once I've read about what's going on with native European folks in countries like Sweden, Belgium, France and now Germany, some questions formed in my mind.

Also, I had this luck and lived for few years in the UK (capitol), and I saw what irresponsible migration policies can do to native folks and areas where they live. To me this is unacceptable and simply I don't want this happen to my country.

Sure, we can say that UK is paying off now for years of their
colonization activities, and I agree with this somehow (because these days young native Brits don't care about colonization etc. they just want to live in THEIR country peacefully), that's the price they now have to pay. On the other hand, my country never did any colonization besides Europe so I don't think we should "pay" anything to anyone. Simply we don't owe those poor guys a thing. We have our own challenges, and a lot of it, and the major one is bringing back birth rates to the level like it was 30 years ago.

You are right, I haven't raised a teenager yet. But I know what I'm talking about because I know my environment. In almost all schools all kids are native Europeans, "white" kids. But still, I'm going for home education (with exams in public schools) or most likely for a suitable private school.

 

[andrewkar]

BTW, education start since the first day baby is on this world.

 

[bluechinagroup]

andrewkar did you grow up in Poland? Are you Polish? If you are, then many white pride groups do not consider you white, I am sorry to say. They will consider you a slav and therefore not pure.

Why don't you link me to some of these studies because you are basically speaking as if all races too need to segregated and can not mix. This is completely out dated thinking, but considering that you came from a country with a homogenized culture, it doesn't surprise me.

 

[andrewkar]

Ok the questions that remain though are "Why do you care?" and "What is your solution?"

Our country can and has absorbed large groups of immigrants in the past and while I certainly don't think we should open our borders and bend over Merkel style I cannot get worked up over the levels or effect of current immigration to the US. Reasonable immigration laws and enforcement yes please, but unless you are going to suggest that the government start policing who people go to bed with or limiting the number of children born to minorities (hello fascism!) then not sure how you propose to avoid recessive genes from receding.

The problem in Europe is not race based, it's the importation of a culture and religion en masse over a very short period of time. Bad idea and Germany particularly has handled it very poorly. There needed to be a "my house, my rules" approach and instead Merkel's administration has pussyfooted around every issue with the imports. But again, not an issue of race but of culture and religion.

You seemed to try and make a correlation between race and health. But really there is no good case for that. Firstly, you have to account for health care disparities in poorer countries or communities such as availability and quality of healthcare, prevention programs and education. Then you have to account for lifestyle, nutrition and environmental factors.

Even if you just look at rates of disease occurrence by race you will find it is decidedly a mixed bag; sickle cell anemia is most common in people of African descent, but likewise Caucasians of European descent are much more likely to have cystic fibrosis and genetic hemochromatosis, indeed almost every racial group has it's more common diseases. White women in the US are more likely to get cancer than women of any other race and Caucasians of both genders are three times as likely to develop multiple sclerosis. There is no race that is just more prone to disease in general than another race.

I disagree, your country (US right?) can't afford any more immigrants (well, maybe it could but in current climate it certainly can't). It's not a Merkel style bendover, because she is just a small figure that isn't capable of inventing even such a thing, she is just a blind follower of much older policies. Read about "European Society Coudenhove-Kalergi" and especially about the Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, and his "work" and political views. HINT - Merkel is a counselor of this foundation...

Another thing is that you confuse Fascism with Nazism. While some parts of Fascism where acquired but NSDAP, Fascism in itself wasn't about race.

So why would I care?

Just as I've said before, because I like "white" native European skin color, I like our traditions and culture, and think we should preserve it, not just in museum.

You are saying "recessive genes", why? Those gens will indeed become recessive if we let them do this, but if instead we will work to preserve them, these genes are going to stay here. Simple as that. Would you say to your friend whom mother died of brain cancer that she is going to die anyway so is best for her to wait for death? Because of her genes?

Genes are only in 30% (at best) determining overall health and especially in relation to regular diseases of our civilization, environment is the major factor here. That's nothing new either. Investigate this subject further. On that basis I'm not going to respond to you about specific diseases you have mentioned because there is no point I think.

What would I propose to do?

OK, you've mentioned Fascism, but you were thinking about Nazisms actually, but that's fine. Many people is confusing both terms all the time.
I propose nationalistic EDUCATION. And this is a huge subject in itself. And for US and European countries this education will be much different.

BTW, I'm not after National Socialism (this is Nazism ), I'm after something more twords National Capitalism. Also I don't believe that Trump, even if he wins, he will do anything for the better. But if he wins he might cause earlier shitstrom that is going to be a good ground zero for some valuable change in the future, maybe...

 

[andrewkar]

andrewkar did you grow up in Poland? Are you Polish? If you are, then many white pride groups do not consider you white, I am sorry to say. They will consider you a slav and therefore not pure.

Why don't you link me to some of these studies because you are basically speaking as if all races too need to segregated and can not mix. This is completely out dated thinking, but considering that you came from a country with a homogenized culture, it doesn't surprise me.

Well, don't be sorry for me or us Poles in general, it's a waste of your energy I think. I know that many white USA and German groups don't consider us as "whites" (due to influence of some German idiot groups mostly...). Do I care about what they are thinking? Guess. And yes we are Slavs, pagans in our roots for most of the time.

I think that this one picture will make for all the words I could write here just fine, or even better. Again, don't take me as racists because I'm not.

150thousPeople!(HD)Poland Rises Against Islam/March Of Independence2015/MarszNiepodleg

Now, count for me how many non-european natives you've seen there...

 

[andrewkar]

BTW, studies I've mentioned are easy to find, just Google it.

 

[BabyGotBacklink]

I disagree, your country (US right?) can't afford any more immigrants (well, maybe it could but in current climate it certainly can't).

This is just a statement with no justification or reasoning attached. Please expand on that.

It's not a Merkel style bendover, because she is just a small figure that isn't capable of inventing even such a thing, she is just a blind follower of much older policies. Read about "European Society Coudenhove-Kalergi" and especially about the Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, and his "work" and political views. HINT - Merkel is a counselor of this foundation...

While I appreciate the reading assignment, will definitely have a look, I'm not sure how the fact that she is not the first person to hold these ideals or to put them into practice (look at unchecked importation of foreign culture as a contributing factor to the fall of Rome, this goes way back) has anything to do with it. It doesn't matter if she invented it herself or not, what matters is that she is in a position of power and has made decisions for Germany that I would consider very unwise. It's not the origin of the ideas that makes it bad, it's the fact that she is acting on them combined with the consequences that Germany is paying for her decisions.

Another thing is that you confuse Fascism with Nazism. While some parts of Fascism where acquired but NSDAP, Fascism in itself wasn't about race.

I was referring to the radical authoritarian nationalism which is indeed what we are talking about here as an unfit answer to this "problem" you are having. Nazism falls under the fascist umbrella but is still certainly fascism, ie not all fascists are nazis but all nazis are fascists.

You are saying "recessive genes", why? Those gens will indeed become recessive if we let them do this, but if instead we will work to preserve them, these genes are going to stay here.

You are aware that traits that you associate with "being white" are recessive yes? That's just science bro, blame nature. And again how are you proposing to stop people from reproducing with members of other races? You are freaking me out with the "if we let them do this" line of talk, you can do whatever you want with yourself but I can't think of a way for you to stop people from choosing their mates that doesn't involve nasty, invasive authoritarianism... Maybe you plan on talking people into it? If so you need to work on strengthening your arguments first.

Simple as that. Would you say to your friend whom mother died of brain cancer that she is going to die anyway so is best for her to wait for death? Because of her genes?

Sorry I have no idea what this means. We are all going to die. Does the friend have brain cancer too or what am I missing? If not how would she go about preventing brain cancer she hasn't developed yet? Preemptive lobotomy? Ahhh I think I'm starting to understand your plan now lol. Kidding,but seriously what the fuck are you even talking about? Eugenics??

Genes are only in 30% (at best) determining overall health and especially in relation to regular diseases of our civilization, environment is the major factor here. That's nothing new either. Investigate this subject further. On that basis I'm not going to respond to you about specific diseases you have mentioned because there is no point I think.

So you were the one saying how there was a link between race and health and now you are saying it's very minimal and can be explained by environmental causes? Because that is literally the argument I just made against your last post. Glad I could change your mind!

OK, you've mentioned Fascism, but you were thinking about Nazisms actually, but that's fine. Many people is confusing both terms all the time. I propose nationalistic EDUCATION. And this is a huge subject in itself. And for US and European countries this education will be much different.

Oh so now it's about nationalism, not about race. Funny because you keep mentioning skin color. So anybody born in your country would be included right, not just white people then because I'm sure you know "Caucasian" is not a nation.

BTW, I'm not after National Socialism (this is Nazism )

Wait you don't think the nazi ideology was really socialist right? That would explain a lot. I mean they included the word socialism in their party name perhaps because the term suggested change and concern for Germany (and before they came into power they were up against another right wing conservative party so maybe some creative branding to make people think they were getting something different from the status quo) but in practice they were totalitarian corporate fascists, they repressed their labor unions, allowed their production means to be privately controlled (not state held) they also executed a shit ton of actual German socialists right off the bat. As for any advancement in social welfare, I think we all know how that turned out.

 

[bluechinagroup]

BTW, studies I've mentioned are easy to find, just Google it.

The burden is on you to provide the studies since you mentioned them.

 

[andrewkar]

Let's try the other way around, two main subjects here are:

1) Preservation of "white" nations...
2) Giving a helping hand to "emigrants"...

1) What is wrong in diversity in your opinion? Would you like to wake up one day in a world where you can buy and drive only KIA?! Because this is what is going to happen if we allow what's going on right now. Me personalny, I like to have some choice. It would be just like eating eggs with bacon everyday... Unhealthy, against natural needs and fucking boring. Not menton that cars like Skoda, VW and Audi are all the same already, they just have different badges.

Just imagine the world where you go to Zoo (I hate Zoo anyway...) and you can see just one type of a bird, one type of a monkey and one type of snake. Because all their races were mixed up together by some crazy scientist few decades before...

Do I mean by that we shouldn't mix races? Generally speaking No. But let's not perceive people who want to preserve their own genetic lines, culture etc. as racists. That's not the case.

2) Well, that is some great goal but... We can't help others if we can't help ourselves in the first place. Every fucking Western country has this problem these days. We have already soo much problems with poor and homeless that taking even more of these will simply crash our societies. It would be like with this "guru" shit in IM.

Unfortunately, a way too many people these days is confusing preservation of a native Europeans with racism. But the roots of this phenomenon are well known actually, and this comes down to Marxisms in the first place, and Kalergi ideas.

Ali explains it in some way (I don't agree with everything what he is saying though):

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Y693cSF7E[/ame]

 

[bluechinagroup]

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I think that this one picture will make for all the words I could write here just fine, or even better. Again, don't take me as racists because I'm not.

You are a racist because you seem to think people from two different races reproducing is a bad thing.

You're just as stupid as the people who say Poles are non white because they are slavs.

 

[andrewkar]

The burden is on you to provide the studies since you mentioned them.

Not really, I'm not here to educate or especially to prove anything. If you don't want to take your time to find it, then it's your problem. Your lack of knowledge is your problem, not mine.

Still, let's not divert from main subjects please.

 

[andrewkar]

You are a racist because you seem to think people from two different races reproducing is a bad thing.

You're just as stupid as the people who say Poles are non white because they are slavs.

Bad timing I believe, and even worse assumptions on your side. Just read my previous post.

 

[andrewkar]

This is just a statement with no justification or reasoning attached. Please expand on that.



While I appreciate the reading assignment, will definitely have a look, I'm not sure how the fact that she is not the first person to hold these ideals or to put them into practice (look at unchecked importation of foreign culture as a contributing factor to the fall of Rome, this goes way back) has anything to do with it. It doesn't matter if she invented it herself or not, what matters is that she is in a position of power and has made decisions for Germany that I would consider very unwise. It's not the origin of the ideas that makes it bad, it's the fact that she is acting on them combined with the consequences that Germany is paying for her decisions.



I was referring to the radical authoritarian nationalism which is indeed what we are talking about here as an unfit answer to this "problem" you are having. Nazism falls under the fascist umbrella but is still certainly fascism, ie not all fascists are nazis but all nazis are fascists.



You are aware that traits that you associate with "being white" are recessive yes? That's just science bro, blame nature. And again how are you proposing to stop people from reproducing with members of other races? You are freaking me out with the "if we let them do this" line of talk, you can do whatever you want with yourself but I can't think of a way for you to stop people from choosing their mates that doesn't involve nasty, invasive authoritarianism... Maybe you plan on talking people into it? If so you need to work on strengthening your arguments first.



Sorry I have no idea what this means. We are all going to die. Does the friend have brain cancer too or what am I missing? If not how would she go about preventing brain cancer she hasn't developed yet? Preemptive lobotomy? Ahhh I think I'm starting to understand your plan now lol. Kidding,but seriously what the fuck are you even talking about? Eugenics??



So you were the one saying how there was a link between race and health and now you are saying it's very minimal and can be explained by environmental causes? Because that is literally the argument I just made against your last post. Glad I could change your mind!




Oh so now it's about nationalism, not about race. Funny because you keep mentioning skin color. So anybody born in your country would be included right, not just white people then because I'm sure you know "Caucasian" is not a nation.


Wait you don't think the nazi ideology was really socialist right? That would explain a lot. I mean they included the word socialism in their party name perhaps because the term suggested change and concern for Germany (and before they came into power they were up against another right wing conservative party so maybe some creative branding to make people think they were getting something different from the status quo) but in practice they were totalitarian corporate fascists, they repressed their labor unions, allowed their production means to be privately controlled (not state held) they also executed a shit ton of actual German socialists right off the bat. As for any advancement in social welfare, I think we all know how that turned out.

You just proved to me that you are writing about things you have no idea about. Read the book, learn differences between Fascism and Nazisms (their soo different roots...), about genetics and environment and then I will be able to respond to your posts accordingly. And please, give yourself a chill and don't play a strawaman on me

 

[bluechinagroup]

Not really, I'm not here to educate or especially to prove anything. If you don't want to take your time to find it, then it's your problem. Your lack of knowledge is your problem, not mine.

Still, let's not divert from main subjects please.

So in other words you're telling me you're completely full of shit and are just polluting the forum with your garbage dated opinion which you won't even bother to back up with cited sources.

What is the main subject? This thread is about Trump, and you're talking about eugenics bullshit. If anyone is diverting off the main subject, it's you. Fuck off.

 

[bluechinagroup]

Bad timing I believe, and even worse assumptions on your side. Just read my previous post.

Your previous posts made it pretty clear you are against any interracial intercourse. Like I said, you're completely full of shit, and at best you are a proponent of eugenics.

 

[BabyGotBacklink]

Let's try the other way around, two main subjects here are:

1) Preservation of "white" nations...
2) Giving a helping hand to "emigrants"...

1) What is wrong in diversity in your opinion? Would you like to wake up one day in a world where you can buy and drive only KIA?! Because this is what is going to happen if we allow what's going on right now. Me personalny, I like to have some choice. It would be just like eating eggs with bacon everyday... Unhealthy, against natural needs and fucking boring. Not menton that cars like Skoda, VW and Audi are all the same already, they just have different badges.

Just imagine the world where you go to Zoo (I hate Zoo anyway...) and you can see just one type of a bird, one type of a monkey and one type of snake. Because all their races were mixed up together by some crazy scientist few decades before...

Do I mean by that we shouldn't mix races? Generally speaking No. But let's not perceive people who want to preserve their own genetic lines, culture etc. as racists. That's not the case.

2) Well, that is some great goal but... We can't help others if we can't help ourselves in the first place. Every fucking Western country has this problem these days. We have already soo much problems with poor and homeless that taking even more of these will simply crash our societies. It would be like with this "guru" shit in IM.

Unfortunately, a way too many people these days is confusing preservation of a native Europeans with racism. But the roots of this phenomenon are well known actually, and this comes down to Marxisms in the first place, and Kalergi ideas.

Ali explains it in some way (I don't agree with everything what he is saying though):

Muhammad Ali Attacks Anti-White BBC Parkinson - YouTube

You are mixing together 2 different issues:

1) The mixing of races
2) The mixing of cultures brought on by unchecked mass immigration

I think more enlightened and civilized behaviors should always be given preference over bad ideas and behaviors. It is perfectly reasonable for example that Germany should preserve it's belief that violence is wrong. It is a perfectly civilized idea that there should be consequences for violence against anyone, women included. The culture they have imported does not largely share that belief, thus Germany is justified in insisting that migrants conform to the German standard in that regard if they wish to live in German territory. This is where Merkel's administration is failing, in that she desires to shape Germany around the migrants instead of insisting that the migrants shape their behavior for Germany.

I also do not believe that a nation should overextend it's resources by taking on immigrants too fast. Especially immigrants that are likely to become dependent on the state.

So I am with you on that front.

The part I cannot agree with is that you would try to dictate the personal lives and decisions of other sovereign individuals. You are free to reproduce or not reproduce with anyone that you choose (and that agrees to it haha) But it is madness to pretend that you should or could interfere with the free will of others in that regard or to try and influence white birth rates. You can't beat nature at it's own game. Biology is a powerful thing, attraction is a powerful instinct that is not in our best interest to suppress or ignore when choosing a partner. It has got us this far as a species, I mean I'm sure the Neanderthals were groovy people but they evolved, shit happens. You trying to game the system and reverse trends in reproduction and birth rates is almost impossible unless you go full Hitler.

 

[andrewkar]

So in other words you're telling me you're completely full of shit and are just polluting the forum with your garbage dated opinion which you won't even bother to back up with cited sources.

What is the main subject? This thread is about Trump, and you're talking about eugenics bullshit. If anyone is diverting off the main subject, it's you. Fuck off.

No, I've said that if you want to take a part in a discussion on some meaningful level you have to have some knowledge to do this in the first place. If you are not able to go "there" and educate yourself (even if it comes from different point of vies) that's your problem, not main. Also, I'm not going to play here some link serving tool because you feel it''s better for you that way.

Eugenics? In pop meaning that you are using probably? Nah, nothing to do with this thread.

 

[BabyGotBacklink]

You just proved to me that you are writing about things you have no idea about. Read the book, learn differences between Fascism and Nazisms (their soo different roots...), about genetics and environment and then I will be able to respond to your posts accordingly. And please, give yourself a chill and don't play a strawaman on me

I explained my arguments thoroughly, if you can't refute them then just say so. I'll wait.

 

[BabyGotBacklink]

Eugenics? In pop meaning that you are using probably? Nah, nothing to do with this thread.

"Eugenics is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human genetic traits through the promotion of higher rates of sexual reproduction for people with desired traits (positive eugenics), or reduced rates of sexual reproduction and sterilization of people with less-desired or undesired traits (negative eugenics)"

I seem to remember your desired traits to include white skin etc etc and the need to get birth rates back up to the level they were at 30 years ago. Your turn.

 

[andrewkar]

I explained my arguments thoroughly, if you can't refute them then just say so. I'll wait.

OK, so we agree on something at least.

Nature? Your view of nature is somehow distorted I think. You want to see how nature really looks like, go to discovery channel (or better to wilderness for some time, or look at ants, or other insects...). Can you see there animals doing "experiments" just like we humans do? Can you see one animal raping other just to fulfill his/her sexual needs, and not for purpose of reproduction and preserving his/her precise genetic lines?

Let's switch off electricity, banks, medical care and all that stuff for a while, than you will see real nature in works. What is going on right now are just different visions of many different people being implemented, or in the process. This is how I see this. But this have nothing to do with nature.

In the nature all species live together in one environment, that's a fact, but also they all stay together with their owns. That's instinctual behawior that ensures higher survival rate of their genetic lines. Eventually from time to time lions like to kill some infant cheetahs, well that's natural actually. It's about food.

On the other hand, what we humans do these days is in complete opposition to what nature does, and in opposition to her laws. So "You are free to reproduce or not reproduce with anyone that you choose" it's not by any means natural, nor it was tested successfully before and/or evaluated by evolution. As for now, for me this experiment doesn't give any positive outcome in general. Sure, there are many happy families where parents are of different origins, and that's cool, good for them. But when it comes to Europe I don't see any other option than strict migration laws and nationalistic education (including heavy education on ancestors etc), at least for some years to come.