No surprise. The polls are slanted. That Khan creature has connections to Hillary:
Clinton Cash: Khizr Khan
Trump for US President?
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No surprise. The polls are slanted. That Khan creature has connections to Hillary:
Clinton Cash: Khizr Khan
I'm getting tired of idiots saying that it's impossible to build a wall. First of all, if you know anything about Trump's negotiation (which most people seem to know nothing about), he asks for more than he wants. In the case of the wall, who knows how high or thick it will be? That'll be negotiated. The end result will be a wall that CAN be built and paid for by Mexico.
Second, he's said repeatedly said that the wall will not be continuous because there are natural barriers along the border. Third, a wall won't stop everyone. Sure people can dig under a wall or get catapulted over it. Does that mean we shouldn't have a wall? Of course not. There are literally millions of walls around houses, apartments, etc. Why? Because they serve a purpose. The purpose of the border wall is to stop or slow down the invasion. The purpose is also to raise the costs of invasion. It won't stop all of the invaders but it will stop the majority or a huge chunk of them.
Lastly, I would have to see some evidence that most Mexicans come here on visas and overstay them. Once they get here, they pop out some anchor babies and they in return (when grownup) petition to bring their cousins, aunts, etc over here via chain-mail immigration.
Of course it's not impossible to build a wall, it's just stupid to build a wall. At least right now. Because it's going to not solve a minor problem that is very low on the scale of shit we should be taking care of right now. It's like a homeless, crack addicted prostitute buying expensive anti aging face cream. Priorities. Net illegal immigration from Mexico is neutral to negative right now.
Let's stop the billion dollar financial bleeding from our overseas war fetish and then we can build a wall to protect us from Canada too if you'd like. Because make no mistake that America would pay for Trump's wall if it ever happened. No way Mexico pays.
Trump thinks he's going to compel Mexico to pay by stopping money transfers from the US to Mexico, good idea! How much you want to bet that illegal immigration rises from it's current net negative to a healthy northward stream? Because of course if the Mexican economy takes that hit then people start heading north, good thing no big ass wall will be there to block them yet. lol
The biggest reason immigration north has slowed to a net negative is because the Mexican economy is growing, for one they are riding the wave of a budding internet revolution and gearing up for the type of online growth that the US had in the 90s. (Learn spanish bros, it's going to rock all through Latin and south america)
Besides, crossing the border is tougher than it has ever been and people with the good jobs that used to use their jobs as a way to get a visa to immigrate that way now would rather keep their good Mexican job. Mexico is very entrepreneur friendly, more business friendly than the US with a fraction of the red tape and taxes.
If Trump starts fucking around trying to make Mexico pay for his vanity project he risks destabilizing the Mexican economy, causing the exact opposite of what he is trying to do. And really the Mexican government could recover from that hit by halting their decade long civil war and allowing the cartels to bolster the Mexican economy the old fashioned way by running lots and lots of drugs into the US. Why wouldn't they? Drug addiction rates in Mexico have always been extremely low, it'd be mostly win for the Mexican government to just sit back and let the cartels make their country rich on American addicts. Wouldn't be the first time, hell they did it for half a century at a stretch. And since Trump would conveniently still be not building that border wall (because any day now Mexico is going to pay) it would be pretty easy for them to do this. Let's all remember we still have to live next store to one another, geography is a bitch.
Anyways, like I said, we got bigger fish to fry. Welfare reform is a much bigger fish as far as the impact it could have on our economy and our future and it's an issue that is too often overlooked in favor of the big spooky monster that is illegal immigration. We squirm more when we talk about welfare reform, because we are no longer talking about "them" and "over there" instead we are talking about our own country's people and issues.
TLDR; what happened to the conservative party that they suddenly all have boners for a 40 billion dollar monument to hasty campaign promises?
Oh and I owed you this:
EWI = Entered without inspection
That graph is from the center for migration studies who provided it to politifact and here is a link to their full findings: Beyond DAPA and DACA: Revisiting Legislative Reform in Light of Long-Term Trends in Unauthorized Immigration to the United States | Warren | Journal on Migration and Human Security
EWI = Entered without inspection
That graph is from the center for migration studies who provided it to politifact and here is a link to their full findings: Beyond DAPA and DACA: Revisiting Legislative Reform in Light of Long-Term Trends in Unauthorized Immigration to the United States | Warren | Journal on Migration and Human Security
Pace Lattin here, Industry journalist with a big juicy scoop:
BabyGotBack illegally worked in Mexico without a proper Visa. Hypocritical much? You basically did what you accuse illegal immigrant Mexicans of doing in the USA.
Vote for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party.
BabyGotBack illegally worked in Mexico without a proper Visa. Hypocritical much? You basically did what you accuse illegal immigrant Mexicans of doing in the USA.
Vote for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party.
100% agreed. Knuckle draggers like charlesmartel are making a mountain out of a molehill. Your stats clearly state that illegal immigration from Mexico is at its lowest especially when compared to the 80s and late 90s/early 00s.
Can't wait to hear the derp derp rhetoric that'll come from martel now.
I also agree with you that Trump has a solid chance of winning, and many of his policies aren't horrible. If he can get his tax plan through congress, then I think it would be hard to complain about his presidency.
Furthermore I also believe like you do that Trump is mainly firing off rhetoric in order to rile up knuckle draggers like charlesmartel to vote for him, and once elected we'll never hear about this "wall" again. Instead we'll probably hear a lot about tax cuts, health care reform (rolling back Obamacare), etc.
Did anything in my posts seem like I was anti-Mexico or anti-immigrants ? Also I'm a Mexican citizen now, have been for years. Bought me some right proper papers. There is no tax on money received electronically, is it my fault that Mexico isn't taxing me on bank transfers and Paypal monies?
TLDR; move to Mexico.Also I can't vote, otherwise I'd probably vote Johnson because fuck the 2 party system.
That troglodyte charlesmartel is suddenly really quiet. Especially since he realized that babygotbacklink who he was preaching his dumb racist BS to is actually a Mexican citizen.
That troglodyte charlesmartel is suddenly really quiet. Especially since he realized that babygotbacklink who he was preaching his dumb racist BS to is actually a Mexican citizen.
i am beyond sick of hearing "THAT'S RACIST" getting shouted out like a reflex for the past 8 years every time someone has a difference of opinion.
i didn't see anything racist in what charlesmartel recently said... but even if he had made comments disparaging all latinos as a race, i'm not quite sure his silence came from the shocking realization that his audience included a white girl who bought mexican citizenship.
other than all that, your comment made perfect sense.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a racist, BlueChinaDoll. Are the Tibetans racist for not wanting their country to be overrun with Chinese? Or the French for wanting to preserve their rich cultural history which doesn't include beheading non-Muslims, throwing gays off rooftops, or raping non-Muslim women? I don't think so. Anyway, keep calling me a racist. I really don't care. It's been overused so much it's meaningless.
Believe it or not, I have a business to run so I can't be here 24/7.
I'm dubious of the study BGB listed. Here's one with another viewpoint:
Immigrant Population Hits Record 42.1 Million in Second Quarter of 2015 | Center for Immigration Studies
Believe it or not, I have a business to run so I can't be here 24/7.
I'm dubious of the study BGB listed. Here's one with another viewpoint:
Immigrant Population Hits Record 42.1 Million in Second Quarter of 2015 | Center for Immigration Studies
I can link you more studies. Pew Research mostly agreed with the study I gave you, they had estimated 40% of illegal immigrants had entered with a visa back in 2006 Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population | Pew Research Center That's a study that has been cited by Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush btw too. Pew research told politifact that the number is likely higher now for overstays because their are fewer Mexican illegal immigrants entering and more illegal immigrants from other countries. You should read their full report, interesting stuff Population Decline of Unauthorized Immigrants Stalls, May Have Reversed | Pew Research Center .
Just to be clear I don't think illegal immigration is a great thing. I think that people should enter legally, but I think that the current arrangement benefits the economies of six US states in particular and the Mexican economy and so it's one of those problems that has an upside for some groups. It's not a problem that we are going to solve and be done with, it's a problem we are going to have to monitor, check and enforce probably forever. That being the case I don't see how it is being treated like it's a "state of emergency" type of problem. Where are the horrible consequences being caused by the 3.5% of the US population that are illegal immigrants? (Only half of those are from Mexico btw, 49% of them and dropping)
You can dig and find some illegal Mexican rapists and murderers sure but there is no evidence immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. Most of the available stats show that first-generation immigrants are actually predisposed to lower crime rates than native-born Americans. Which makes sense because they have to behave in a way that will not bring them into contact with law enforcement or they risk deportation. When they are charged with crimes it's majority immigration offenses (of course ) and drug crime.
This is a different immigration situation than the one let's say in Germany. First, because the immigrants in Germany are there legally they have more protections under the law, more freedom and more agency. Second, illegal immigrants in the United States have much more incentive to be employed and to try and assimilate into the culture. They also have no built in limiting beliefs that prevent them from doing so, to the contrary American culture is widely imitated, admired and aspired to by many people here in Mexico.
Again, I just think that illegal immigration is one of those unsolvable social issues that is trotted out at campaign time to stir up some votes or any other time when politicians need us to focus on something other than what we maybe really should be looking at, I don't see the data to support it being even top 10 problems in the US right now IMO.
Also, unrelated, did you see the statement from the nun in the Normandy priest killing where she talks about the conversation she had with the terrorists before the cops got there? She said he said:
"Peace, it's what we want. When you talk to the television, tell the authorities that as long as there are bombs on Syria, we will continue our attacks. And they will happen every day. When you stop, we will stop."
I thought that was interesting because I had it on my head that it was more about the French arms deals combined with the increased migrant population. I think it carries some weight at least because that attack in particular was of the recent ones the one that had the clearest actual ties to ISIS. https://www.rt.com/news/354010-normandy-church-attack-account/
Yes, there's no evidence Mexicans/Meso-Americans commit more crime than whites. No evidence like this:
All Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department
That's the 200 most wanted criminals in Los Angeles. You might find a handful of Asians, Armenians, blacks, and whites. But no more. Meso-Americans are committing the crimes Americans won't.
Thousands of illegal immigrants convicted of homicide, sex assault released into community - Washington Times
More logic:
Hispanic Immigration and the Demographic Decline of America – The Alternative Hypothesis
The US Would be Running Budget Surpluses if it were all White – The Alternative Hypothesis
All Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department
That's the 200 most wanted criminals in Los Angeles. You might find a handful of Asians, Armenians, blacks, and whites. But no more. Meso-Americans are committing the crimes Americans won't.
Thousands of illegal immigrants convicted of homicide, sex assault released into community - Washington Times
More logic:
Hispanic Immigration and the Demographic Decline of America – The Alternative Hypothesis
The US Would be Running Budget Surpluses if it were all White – The Alternative Hypothesis
Did anything in my posts seem like I was anti-Mexico or anti-immigrants ? Also I'm a Mexican citizen now, have been for years. Bought me some right proper papers. There is no tax on money received electronically, is it my fault that Mexico isn't taxing me on bank transfers and Paypal monies?
Also I can't vote, otherwise I'd probably vote Johnson because fuck the 2 party system.
My bad. I got blinded due to that dirtbag charlesmartel.
Ah see now we are getting somewhere, because you've finally dropped the guise of it being about illegal immigrants and have admitted it's actually about Hispanics. Good for you. But to be fair, black people commit more crime proportionally than do hispanics yet seems like people are less comfortable talking about that.
I propose to you that the differences in criminality in the different groups have much less to do with skin color and much more to do with poverty. Both Hispanics and black people in the US are more likely to be poor than their white counterparts.
I read this link you gave on a rather awful website: Hispanic Immigration and the Demographic Decline of America – The Alternative Hypothesis
Almost every point there can be countered with "Yes, because statistically they are more poor than white people on average." It's not excuses, it's reality. So we can bitch about it and write angry blog posts or we can look at the cause and what can be done to decrease poverty and thus decrease crime. Seems like more of a win than just jailing people (and paying for them to be incarcerated.) And too because at this point you are talking about your fellow Americans.
When I said that welfare reform was a super important issue, I meant it, if you really dig into it you discover it is a crippling, broken machine that rather seems designed to keep people poor into perpetuity. People born into and living in poverty are no less human than you, nobody likes to be poor, we all want comfort, safety, a life we can be proud of. Think for a moment about why some politicians might want to keep them poor and dependent, because then they are almost obligated to vote to protect the politicians that promise to protect their benefits.
Ways the welfare system perpetuates poverty:
1) It concentrates poor people into neighborhoods with high crime, underfunded schools and few job opportunities. That is because rent vouchers are not universally accepted. Let's say I'm a third generation welfare mom with one kid and I have realized the trap I am in. I want something better for my son, I want to get him out of this bad neighborhood and I want to find a job and change my future. Tough luck because the only places that will take my rent voucher are located in poor neighborhoods and filled mostly with other people on welfare. Not a lot of companies setting up shop and creating jobs in those areas.
2) The welfare system is anti-family. This is so important. While having lots of kids is incentivized, staying with the father is actively punished. If a welfare mother gets married she loses benefits overnight. For example, a single mother with two children who earns $15,000 per year will generally receive around $5,200 per year from the Food Stamp program. However, if she marries a father with the same earnings level, her food stamps would be cut to zero. A single mother receiving public housing benefits would receive a subsidy worth on average around $11,000 per year if she was not employed. But if she married a man earning $20,000 per year, these benefits would be cut nearly in half. Marriage and the nuclear family are key to stopping the cycle of poverty but almost every federal poverty program penalizes marriage in some way. Even social security disability benefits can be affected by marriage.
3) The welfare system sets boys up for criminality and unemployment. If I am a welfare mom and my son just turned 18 then I have a problem. Because if he lives with me I could lose benefits for his younger siblings, I could lose my housing benefits. Especially if he were to get a job and live with me. So he has to leave. Outcomes are not good for these young men in these poor neighborhoods. They may father children but they won't be welcome to stay and raise those children. He may qualify for college loans but he has to get out of the poor neighborhood, find a place to stay, find employment and make it through to his first check first. Many of them don't get that far, they end up dead or in jail trying to live off the streets and crime.
4) The welfare system penalizes efforts to get out of poverty. I volunteered at a battered woman's shelter while in college and it amazed me to learn that while these women could get childcare to look for a job they could not get any childcare once they found one, what's more if they found and took a job their food benefits were slashed before they would even get their first check, their housing could get pulled out from under them for even a minimum wage fast food job. That is a lot of barriers to success and independence. A lot of these women wanted to build a better life for themselves and their children but they were trapped. Why wouldn't we have a gradual step down process? Hey we'll give you a month of childcare and a few months of your other benefits and then you'll slowly start to get less as you get on your feet. Instead it seems like it is set up to keep people on their knees.
that said, there are plenty of places in the US that are dirt poor and 100% white. according to your 'theory', the murder rate per capita comparison between poor white areas, poor black areas, and poor latino areas should all be roughly equivalent.
we all know that's not the case.
despite that, i'm not suggesting "skin color" is the cause for the difference, i'm suggesting "culture" is the cause. an example of that difference in culture can be seen every time an NFL player who makes millions gets busted "all up in the da club" with his gun. his income changed... his culture didn't.
some cultures actually glorify the thug/gangster lifestyle, regardless of poverty. other cultures don't, regardless of poverty.
while i do agree there is a correlation between poverty and violent criminality, i disagree it is the cause.