Three Weeks on Modafinil

contract said:
I can go to bed at 10pm, and not fall alseep till 6am. Some people can't fall asleep in bed.. Bought a new bed, I eat healthy, I lift/workout daily, etc. But my mind never stops, and I just get incredibly body/mentally tired and worn out.. I've tried for 3 years to fix my sleep issues, most I've been able to do was 21 days of waking up on a normal schedule, but fell off.. Couldn't keep forcing myself lay in bed for 4-5 hours a night thinking/hoping to sleep..

So, seriously, sometimes people need meds to help them out. I've never taken any meds, I've tried melatonin, but that doesn't work... Just makes me feel like a zombie and faded, but doesn't knock me out. I agree with the whole habit thing, but what do you do when you try, try, try, and try to fix your schedule for 3 years, and nothing changes. I should have gone to a doctor years ago, but meh not a fan of any mental pharm meds.

ps. I don't know how people are cool with taking stuff like Ambien, scared as hell I'll trip balls on it and won't get knocked out. Also addiction to that, no thanks..

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Would smoke weed if I didn't get paranoid/scared, only thing that's ever made me sleep..
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hDEC2. If you're a member come to terms with it and embrace. People preaching the 8 hours doesn't apply to everyone.
 


Kiopa_Matt said:
^^ Yeah, but you're like what? 21, I think? Wait until you're in your 30s, and it'll be different.

I remember being 20. Fuck me, I was like a work horse on cocaine. Absolutely unstoppable.
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I function much better now (35) than I did in my 20s - diet, meditation, exercise + eating properly much better than drugs in my experience.
 
cardine said:
For me absolutely nothing beats caffeine.

I haven't tried amphetamines but I don't want to and don't need to.

Over the summer I went over 3 months without caffeine, and completely reset my bodies tolerance. Now, twice a week I have around 60-90mg of caffeine (which really isn't that much) and because I have no tolerance I get a huge boost. On those two days I have huge productive days, generally more than the rest of the week put together.

It's strong enough that I'm not even sure I'd want something more potent as I can't imagine myself being more productive, and if I ever did want something more I can always just go to 150mg of caffeine.

In short, have a low tolerance so you don't need to be using more potent (and dangerous) stuff.
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I thought the same until I tried dex.

The same applies to that as caffeine (and any drug) though. I'll take it max one day a week on the day where I need to get the most crap done. That way you don't have to up dosages due to tolerance/experience big come downs, etc..

I get through over a gram of caffeine every day, though - simply because I don't really have any bad side effects to it. Hoping having this week off and not having any will go some way to resetting my tolerance, though.
 
SirKonstantine said:
What I realized works much better was eating clean and taking fish oil, flax seed oil, D3, folic acid, b12, calcium, magnetsium, gaba, 5htp, and a few other suppz that was recommended in The UltraMind Solution. (this actually fixed my fatigue).
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Been taking Adderall on and off for years now... It's a love/hate thing but I lowered my self off of it in the past few months.

I read UltraMind in Oct. and I've been on the plan for 3 weeks now and I can say I've never felt better... physically, mentally, and internally.

I'm doing the supplements and trying the clean diet... no gluten & dairy. I'm still using caffeine, though just in the AM, and I'm drinking still... maybe 1-2 times a week... not getting hammered just a usual nice buzz.

I used to think all this gluten/dairy free shit was nonsense and garbage... and a moneygrab fad... but after reading about it, still thinking its probably a fucking joke, and trying it I'm a believer. I've have so many benefits I think from just dropping gluten alone. Not tired anymore, mind feels clear without Addie, not irritable, I don't blast out my shitter everyday after having Penn Station or a shitload of bread for lunch, dandruff gone, no itchy skin in the winter, to new a few off the top of my head... And, I just feel more energized overall. I tried to quit the gluten 2-3 weeks (1 week off diary) before I started the current 6 week plan and then when I added the supplements it seems to step it up a notch.

I always crave sugar, sweets, and bread... lived off processed shit for breakfast... usually a FF/Subway/or bar food type lunch... then tried to have a sensible cooked dinner ie: pasta (loaded with gluten) and broccoli or some shit... Processed shit snacks throughout the day.

I've been on clean diets, and different workout/diet programs in the past but nothing has made me notice as much a diff as this.

Fuck, it might be honeymoon or placebo effect but whatever it is I can tell the diff and I'm going to continue testing until I can decide.

Also, I read Wheatbelly and the Primal book which both state the same points as Ultramind.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
^^ Yeah, but you're like what? 21, I think? Wait until you're in your 30s, and it'll be different.

I remember being 20. Fuck me, I was like a work horse on cocaine. Absolutely unstoppable.
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Meh, tolerance is easy to deal with, you just have more. I have a ridiculously high tolerance to caffeine from multiple coffee drinking competitions in the past (17 espressos in one sitting, multiple times)

Now, I drink 6 mugs of strong coffee a day rather than just one. Simple :)
 
mattseh said:
How about people try and get 8 hours sleep, from say midnight to 8am, then force themselves awake with a load of alarms?

If you have any sort of will power, after a while, it'll be habit.

Also, caring about your work helps.
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Not everyone can do the 12-8 thing. I tried it for a while and always felt good right in the morning but then very increasingly bad during the day.

Then I read a bit about night owls who are built to sleep later at nite/day. So I started experimenting with sleeping different hours and kept a journal.

Eventually decided that around 1:30am-2am for 7.5 to 8 hours was the best for me.

I can sleep less during those hours and feel better all day than if I slept 9-10 hours but fell asleep earlier at nite (even tried 10pm onwards).
 
thehobbster said:
Im on week 3 of piracetam and choline. Amazing i also stopped 5-htp and st johns wort a year ago. Switched to Kava and fluoxetine. I'm def a super human version of myself right now.
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You've been taking Flouxetine for a year? I thought your brain gets used to SSRIs afterawhile and it'll stop working. Its the same thing with 5htp, it'll stop working after awhile when your body gets used to it.

Like, you take the pills for awhile so it lifts you up so you can think clearly and fix the real underlying issue.

... however, I was thinking of switching my 5htp for tryptophan since i've read it doesn't go down after time.
 
medway said:
Not everyone can do the 12-8 thing. I tried it for a while and always felt good right in the morning but then very increasingly bad during the day.

Then I read a bit about night owls who are built to sleep later at nite/day. So I started experimenting with sleeping different hours and kept a journal.

Eventually decided that around 1:30am-2am for 7.5 to 8 hours was the best for me.

I can sleep less during those hours and feel better all day than if I slept 9-10 hours but fell asleep earlier at nite (even tried 10pm onwards).
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I got a lot more productive when I realised this and stopped trying to get up early.
 
Alot of this stuff sounds like what I have heard from The Bulletproof Executive. I am still young, but I definitely notice the difference in performance when I eat shitty food and follow his stuff.

Some of his shit comes off as snake oil, but he is a good marketer.
 
I_like_cock said:
Been taking Adderall on and off for years now... It's a love/hate thing but I lowered my self off of it in the past few months.

I read UltraMind in Oct. and I've been on the plan for 3 weeks now and I can say I've never felt better... physically, mentally, and internally.

I'm doing the supplements and trying the clean diet... no gluten & dairy. I'm still using caffeine, though just in the AM, and I'm drinking still... maybe 1-2 times a week... not getting hammered just a usual nice buzz.

I used to think all this gluten/dairy free shit was nonsense and garbage... and a moneygrab fad... but after reading about it, still thinking its probably a fucking joke, and trying it I'm a believer. I've have so many benefits I think from just dropping gluten alone. Not tired anymore, mind feels clear without Addie, not irritable, I don't blast out my shitter everyday after having Penn Station or a shitload of bread for lunch, dandruff gone, no itchy skin in the winter, to new a few off the top of my head... And, I just feel more energized overall. I tried to quit the gluten 2-3 weeks (1 week off diary) before I started the current 6 week plan and then when I added the supplements it seems to step it up a notch.

I always crave sugar, sweets, and bread... lived off processed shit for breakfast... usually a FF/Subway/or bar food type lunch... then tried to have a sensible cooked dinner ie: pasta (loaded with gluten) and broccoli or some shit... Processed shit snacks throughout the day.

I've been on clean diets, and different workout/diet programs in the past but nothing has made me notice as much a diff as this.

Fuck, it might be honeymoon or placebo effect but whatever it is I can tell the diff and I'm going to continue testing until I can decide.

Also, I read Wheatbelly and the Primal book which both state the same points as Ultramind.
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Good for you. Been GF for ~8 years, vegetarian my whole life. Read The Ultramind Solution at the recommendation of a bunch of gay webmasters but it's all a great deal of very old, common sense information, definitely revolutionary for anyone who was raised on the SAD diet though. Either way keep it up, only gets better.
 
I just woke up from 3 false awakenings which were lucid dreams, in a row. I can see how people lose their minds with that. Then I went back to sleep for a 4th lucid dream. So insane! That was my 3rd through 7th lucid dreams in my whole life! Thanks Piracetam!
 
thehobbster said:
I just woke up from 3 false awakenings which were lucid dreams, in a row. I can see how people lose their minds with that. Then I went back to sleep for a 4th lucid dream. So insane! That was my 3rd through 7th lucid dreams in my whole life! Thanks Piracetam!
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So is that a positive reccomendtion?
 
thehobbster said:
I just woke up from 3 false awakenings which were lucid dreams, in a row. I can see how people lose their minds with that. Then I went back to sleep for a 4th lucid dream. So insane! That was my 3rd through 7th lucid dreams in my whole life! Thanks Piracetam!
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I get the same effect from commercially available 'racetams'.
 
aaronklaw said:
I was one of the original guinea pigs for provigil.
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IF YOU OR A FAMILY MEMBER HAS USED THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROVIGIL AND EXPERIENCED ADVERSE SIDE EFFECTS, YOU MAY BE ELIGIBLE TO FILE A LAWSUIT SEEKING COMPENSATION
 
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