The Cost of Doing Business - Vote Democrat?

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Ok, so last night I was engaged in about a 2 hour long conversation with an older guy, probably 65 years. He just recently retired and he voted democrat and he told me why. He said something to the tune of "It is the cost of doing business". Now I respect this guy, he's made a shitload of cash and just recently retired with milllllions. He doesn't always vote democrat, but he had an opinion on this whole "welfare state" that I have never heard before.

Basically what he said is he just looks at things like welfare and all that garbage (yes I am very conservative economically I will admit that) are just the cost of doing business here in America. He basically just looks at America as a place to conduct business in a sane environment where corruption does not run rampant (libtards shut up I know there is corruption here I am talking about what he was talking about, places like Mexico), in places like Mexico where literally *everything* is done behind the scenes. You go to jail whether or not you can pay the cop $50 on the spot. You want to smuggle drugs? Give me $10k and I will look the other way.

He strongly believes here in America things like welfare keep them at bay, i.e. from "rising up" or revolting. Now I can see where he is coming from. He wants to give them just enough to get by so they are satisfied (yes I know they aren't totally satisfied, but enough to keep them from being so pissed off).

What I said to him then is at what point do we stop, when is giving them too much enough. He agreed and says he doesn't know, but at this point we need to give them a little more.

So I just want to know what some of you political gurus think about this. This kind of shocked me as it was literally a 180 from what I normally here from the democrats which is "Poor him poor me give me free shit to help me on my feet".

I'd like to hear what some of you guys think about this (popeye I know you're always talking about politics lol)
 


droplister said:
Who exactly is "them?"
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When he said that he was referring to all of the people at the bottom rung of society (money-wise).

To look at this theory in his eyes you have to accept that many people are on welfare and will continue to live on welfare for a majority of their life if not all of it (sorry dems I know that might be hard for you to admit).
 
seolinker said:
I agree with your millllllioneer:)

P.S. I am from a place like Mexico:)
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Could you elaborate though, you mean agreeing with it is a necessary cost of doing business? Why so though, do you mean it would not be possible without all of these programs?

I'm not trying to argue I just want to know how some of these people think because I think it is a pretty interesting point of view.
 
adigitalorange said:
Could you elaborate though, you mean agreeing with it is a necessary cost of doing business? Why so though, do you mean it would not be possible without all of these programs?

I'm not trying to argue I just want to know how some of these people think because I think it is a pretty interesting point of view.
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In places like Mexico, all busines profits done by paying low, it's not usually very stable models, but can make you also very rich cause you may pay $300/month salary instead of $3k/month. Other side of that not that many people can buy your shit cause of reasons above, only like the same business mans like you:) lol.

Prices are usually much higher. Lot of people there in US with crazy incomes cry how they cannot afford lexus or so, prepare to pay for it $70k not $35k and in cash... cause credit terms will rape your ass. This always make me laugh...

Welfare make those people somewhat guaranteed free lunch, that's all they need.

Your friend not so correctly described it, he probably also meant high taxes (to pay police of that) and benefits of what policeman may loose by taking bribes. In other words rich pay for everyone including readnecks. It comes like welfare and other things.

You pay anyway! Be it corruption and bribes to politics ... be it pretty high taxes and big price for services ... cause goods are really cheap in US.
 
seolinker said:
In places like Mexico, all busines profits done by paying low, it's not usually very stable models, but can make you also very rich cause you may pay $300/month salary instead of $3k/month. Other side of that not that many people can buy your shit cause of reasons above, only like the same business mans like you:) lol.

Prices are usually much higher. Lot of people there in US with crazy incomes cry how they cannot afford lexus or so, prepare to pay for it $70k not $35k and in cash... cause credit terms will rape your ass. This always make me laugh...

Welfare make those people somewhat guaranteed free lunch, that's all they need.

Your friend not so correctly described it, he probably also meant high taxes (to pay police of that) and benefits of what policeman may loose by taking bribes. In other words rich pay for everyone including readnecks. It comes like welfare and other things.

You pay anyway! Be it corruption and bribes to politics ... be it pretty high taxes and big price for services ... cause goods are really cheap in US.
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Yeah that is pretty much exactly what he said. He said if he is in a place like Mexico you are going to pay off all the corrupt people versus here you are just paying off the government so they can give these people a free lunch but like you said that's all they want.

The problem is when they want more and more of that "free lunch" or a "better lunch".
 
That is a pretty common theory amongst rich elites, and has been for years. The rich are vastly outnumbered, so in order to keep people in line you have to throw them scraps and make them believe that the American dream can be all theirs if they work harder and don't kill/rob the rich folks. It's no coincidence that most people with old money are of this mindset, whereas most self-made people are more conservative since they had to work for theirs and don't like the idea of giving a handout to a lazy fuck. There is something to be said for both mindsets and like everything else the truth is generally somewhere in the middle.
 
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I think, and I can't really back this up but its the impression I get from reading this forum and talking to a few US guys, if I compare the cost of living, taxes etc in the US to the UK there isn't really a huge amount of difference.

We just seem to get a hell of a lot more for our tax money. Not just the NHS, but heavily subsidised university education (I graduated from a top 20 world wide university with no more than $15k of debt), social security, child care etc etc.

The question for you guys right now, imo, shouldn't be how much you're paying but what the hell it's being spent on and why don't you get the same things most Europeans take for granted.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
That is a pretty common theory amongst rich elites, and has been for years. The rich are vastly outnumbered, so in order to keep people in line you have to throw them scraps and make them believe that the American dream can be all theirs if they work harder and don't kill/rob the rich folks. It's no coincidence that most people with old money are of this mindset, whereas most self-made people are more conservative since they had to work for theirs and don't like the idea of giving a handout to a lazy fuck. There is something to be said for both mindsets and like everything else the truth is generally somewhere in the middle.
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Yeah this is one of those guys. He lives out in Rhode Island in a very nice area. I am pretty sure he is all old money. But makes sense.

idk though, I'm with you on being conservative. I worked for everything I have so I get pissed when the gov't tries to take it away. His thought has really had me thinking the past few days though.
 
Mikesev said:
I think, and I can't really back this up but its the impression I get from reading this forum and talking to a few US guys, if I compare the cost of living, taxes etc in the US to the UK there isn't really a huge amount of difference.

We just seem to get a hell of a lot more for our tax money. Not just the NHS, but heavily subsidised university education (I graduated from a top 20 world wide university with no more than $15k of debt), social security, child care etc etc.

The question for you guys right now, imo, shouldn't be how much you're paying but what the hell it's being spent on and why don't you get the same things most Europeans take for granted.
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War isn't free.
 
If you're made of money and don't show it off like Paris Hilton or Jay-Z you got nothing to worry about.

The bottom rung of the ladder is hopelessly fixated on external symbols of wealth. If you take away their welfare the first person they'll go after is all these people on TV.

Another part of the issue is this irrational fear of "blax and brownz lol". They aren't as fucked up as you think.

It's all the drugs, alcohol and brainwashing that makes them more violent. If the government had some balls, they would implement a system where you would only qualify for welfare if you stopped listening to rap, stopped dressing up hood, go buy a suit and tie and learn to make it in the mainstream economy.
 
Ar Scion said:
If the government had some balls, they would implement a system where you would only qualify for welfare if you stopped listening to rap, stopped dressing up hood, go buy a suit and tie and learn to make it in the mainstream economy.
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You make a valid point. They will never do that though, those are votes they get year after year. Like I said somewhere else, if you take from peter to feed paul, you can ALWAYS count on the support of paul (a.k.a. all those welfare bums). I forget who said that, but it is so true.
 
adigitalorange said:
You make a valid point. They will never do that though, those are votes they get year after year. Like I said somewhere else, if you take from peter to feed paul, you can ALWAYS count on the support of paul (a.k.a. all those welfare bums). I forget who said that, but it is so true.
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It's not even so much about the votes. This demographic can barely read , you think they're willing to stand in line and vote?

The real issue is far-left ideology. They don't wanna fuck with freedom of speech and freedom of expression. They'd rather let these people collect welfare while they rot in their situation.

These people are saturated in negative media and social influences: "White man holdin' me down, we be victims, the solution is flashing bling bling and getting rims on my car. Fuck retirement, being a pimp is where it's at."

What do you think would happen if we moved 5 hoodrats out of the hood, away from hip-hop and put him in a different environment, where all his peers were aiming to be financially successful, trying to present themselves well, be functional, beneficial, productive members of society.

You think these hoodrats won't adapt and learn these values?

Why are we scared to promote these values through social programs? We'll solve this problem in less than 50 years if we had balls and realized that freedom of expression ain't all that.
 
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When it comes to welfare, I feel about it like this: For those who truly need it, they can get it, such as a single mom who HAS a job or a recently unemployed American who IS looking for a job.

What pisses me off is one day I went to my local grocery store, got my few things, and went in line. In front of me was a young Hispanic with about 6 kids. Whatever , that's fine. They bought all kinds of shit and handed the lady food stamps. Okay fine, maybe they need them. When I walked outside though, I saw the SAME exact couple, driving a brand new Cadillac escalade with huge chrome rims and a custom chrome grill. That's a 40k car yet you need foodstamps. It's fucking bullshit and I'm glad that prick ended up getting arrested for dealing drugs.
 
I rely on my welfare check, food stamps and section 8 housing to survive. Its bad enough when my check is late because it totally throws me into a bad mood. If my assistance got cut off completely I dont know what Id do. I'd probably go kill someone.
 
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