So sick of this shit with Ron Paul!

The most aggrivating part of this video is the shithead cnn studio guy at the end:

"If you get video of sarah palin or get a sound byte from her bring that back to us, you can hold the ron paul stuff. huhehuh"

Media pawn scum. I would have no problem letting these people die, who egregiously contribute to our country's downfall. In some ways I've dreamt it gets to that level, just so I can look them in the eyes when they are about to starve and hear their final breath while my foot is on their head.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Gandhi

Keep fighting

Indeed.
 


You bitches all whine about the media, without following the obvious solution. Create your own media. How much would it cost to create your own news site, pay 10 writers to write one story a day, get sponsors, etc..? Get professional design, corp, etc.. Eventually drain traffic, eyeballs from the big acronyms, or buy their stock out, etc.. It's the most obvious thing in the world, but since you're all just whiny bitches, you'll never take the logical next step because you don't really care, you just want to pretend you're "engaged" on the issues.

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name another in this field of candidates who would be pro capitalism AND end the wars.

It's not about RP but the tone of that ad.
"The white knight who came to save us all. The chosen one. Our only hope."
I guess it's a cultural thing.
 
forget if he can win... forget if you like his ideas or not.... forget all that shit!

Shouldnt we ALL as a NATION be REALLY FREAKIN PISSED OFF that the media is deciding who to cover?? WTF is all this about?

who gives a flying fck who you are going to vote for in the next election

HOLY SH*T ! Do you guys not see what the media is blatantly doing? Even other Repubs supporters should be violently angry over what is going on.

Seriously does nobody see this?

Um yeah. That's why I made this post. hello. I really don't care about Ron Paul, atm, what I'm ifuckinrate about is the coverup, blackout, censorship whatever the fuck is going on.

It's not about RP but the tone of that ad.
"The white knight who came to save us all. The chosen one. Our only hope."
I guess it's a cultural thing.

Yeah I didn't like it either. Way too fairytale, antichristish, and remnants to obama's and mcains commericals as they also did "the One".
 
The more I hear RP the less I like him. I guess I am an idiot. In the clip above he stumbles on the one question that cuts to the chase - can he get anything done. The answer is obivously, no.

He is a sound bite specialist - when asked about the US Southern Border he invokes Iraq & Afghganistan - nice sound bit but with zero substance.

He does not believe in entitlements for immigrants - does he believe in a safety net at all? Or does he believe in nothing for anyone?

He thinks there is a moral equivalent between the Soviets, The US, and Iran? The Iranian leadership openly advocate the use of nukes against Israel - is anyone else doing that? No - makes RP sound like an idiot.

RP wants civilian trials for terrorists and then equivocates that to how actual citizens are treated? Those are two different issues. How about citizens are treated one way and terrorists another - if a terrorist is a citizen then treat him like a citizen with the same rights - but that is not what RP said.

Once again , he mentioned iran is a threat due to a few militants? How about it's a threat due to the leaders? big difference that RP seems to not understand.

He thinks the Fed creates business cycles? Maybe, but maybe not, but where is the proof of that? The fed should be smoothing out business cycles which are a natural result of capitalism - maybe the Fed does not always do its job - but unfettered capitalism is not the answer either

Still - he wants the Gold standard - the Gold standard restricts growth and hurts the poor. Period.

The more I learn - the more there is to dislike.
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this country is doomed
 
Those who control the media, control the collective unconscious.



And yes, American's love being censored. They vote for it every damn time. You would too turbo, all I have to do to get you to agree with censorship is find a way to show you how it protects your kids. You'll vote for it. You'll exchange freedom for a little protection any day of the week as long as I could instill enough fear in you. I haven't met a mother who wouldn't exchange security for their child in exchange for a little freedom.

American's love being censored so much, they even choose to believe they aren't being censored and that their media is free. lolz

I agree about the 'kids' thing and that ploy is often used for a myriad of things, but Ron Paul has leverage in that department as he wants to bring home everyone's kids from the Middle East. What parent doesn't want that?

You'd think that would be one of Ron Pau's biggest selling points.
 
You bitches all whine about the media, without following the obvious solution. Create your own media. How much would it cost to create your own news site, pay 10 writers to write one story a day, get sponsors, etc..? Get professional design, corp, etc.. Eventually drain traffic, eyeballs from the big acronyms, or buy their stock out, etc.. It's the most obvious thing in the world, but since you're all just whiny bitches, you'll never take the logical next step because you don't really care, you just want to pretend you're "engaged" on the issues.

You know, every now and then, the quiet little guy sitting alone in the back row of your classroom of a brain manages to raise his starved, skinny hand to say something intelligent. It doesn't last for long because the second he speaks up, he gets bullied back into darkness by the white pride quarterback and the plastic drama girl clicque. But he's the one with the good grades, and I haven't lost hope that one day, that quiet little guy will grow up to become a great celebrity singer who inspires the masses, with tons of hot groupies who follow his every word and want to bear his children.

I'm rooting for him.
 
I see what you're trying to say but you're mixing issues. It sounds like you're just talking about civil liberties (pornography for example, maybe child pornography in particular?) That would be separate from the issue at hand which is a conscious effort by large and "reputable" media organizations to censor local and world wide events.

My point is, it is ironic people who support censorship then criticize it when it happens in an area they don't like. The USA is not a totalitarian state. There can be change, including having a free media.

But a free media is a double edge sword, like everything free. And when the moment of truth comes, to choose between free media and the ups and downs it includes (which in my opinion have infinitely more up than ups) or a whore media and its ups and down (which in my opinion has infinitely more downs than ups), Americans vote for the whore media every damn time.

I mean, in other countries people die to ensure their right to have a free media. American's won't even change the channel, or turn off the TV. It isn't like there isn't access to the truth (internet anyone?).

This whole thing reminds me of a saying that goes something like 'democracy ensures a country doesn't have better leaders than they deserve' ... I'd love for Ron Paul to get in office, but I think Americans haven't suffered enough to deserve him. Hopefully it won't be too late when they are ready for change.


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If we bought CNN or Fox and started putting the truth out there as hellblazer suggests, no one would watch and the station would go broke. People don't want the truth. You don't have to look far to know that it is true that people don't want the truth.
 
As an interested outside observer, I wonder where most of you lie with your social politics. From what I understand, Ron Paul is quite socially conservative. Are you mostly in support of this, or do you tend to focus more on his economic ideas?

The following quotes from his Wikipedia page concern me:
He regularly votes against almost all proposals for new government spending, initiatives, or taxes
Do you really all think that any sort of government spending is bad? Are you all libertarians?

He has pledged never to raise taxes and states he has never voted to approve a budget deficit.
I think this is something that would concern everyone with any knowledge of economics. If there is a recession and you refuse to go into deficit, you have no choice but to cut back massively on spending. Let's think about this for a second.

The world economy has tanked due to some dodge-fuckery on Wall Street. Governments around the world bailed out the big banks (the way it was done was more than a little ridiculous, something I agree with RP on). Now the economy is stagnant, which means reduced revenues as the tax takings are lower. Should we really then say that spending must be cut massively, punishing those who had nothing to do with the crisis? Social welfare, healthcare, education - these things are essential for a functioning and growing economy. If you cut back on them, you actually slow down your chances of recovery. How is this productive?

Take the example of someone who just lost their job. Then you tell them they can't get social security due to spending cuts. They will probably lose their house if they have a mortgage and end up living in some really dodgy temporary accommodation, or even on the streets. What are the chances of that person then finding work and helping to get the economy moving again? Not too great I'd say. Whereas if they had some support from the government, they would potentially be able to look at drumming up work - perhaps even look at starting their own business (say.. in the IM sphere :p)

Right, so, where was I.. balanced budgets, in my opinion, are crazy in times of recession. The whole idea of going into deficit is to smooth out the boom/bust cycles that happen in every economy. You spend during the bad times to help prop things up, and you save during the good times so that when the bad comes, you have some deep pockets.

He endorses eliminating most federal government agencies
So, true libertarian style. Deregulate everything. That won't end in tears. No sir.

He says his years as an obstetrician led him to believe life begins at conception; his abortion-related legislation, like the Sanctity of Life Act, is intended to negate Roe v. Wade and to get "the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters"
Can't say I agree with him there, but then I'm from a heathenistic socialist welfare state known as Australia where the right to choose is enshrined in common law.

Paul also believes that the notion of the separation of church and state is currently misused by the court system: "In case after case, the Supreme Court has used the infamous 'separation of church and state' metaphor to uphold court decisions that allow the federal government to intrude upon and deprive citizens of their religious liberty"
Again, can't say I agree with him. See our census data to get an idea of the trend here - Census 2011: Australia, a nation transformed (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Anyway.. interested to see what people think about the above. He's a fascinating candidate, but not one I would vote for were I a US citizen. It's good to see someone bring fresh ideas to the table though, and shake up the game.
 
Yeah because voting to allow us to spend more money than we bring in is really working out for us at the moment.

The good news is that when we go you'll suffer too. So will the rest of the world -

While I can't say that no government spending is my goal - it's going to take some harsh reality changes to fix the fuck up we are in.
 
Spybreak: Yes, we're mostly all Libertarians around here. Capitalism is a good thing but the entire freaking world (including most of the US) seems to think there is some capitalism going on in the US when we're more socialistic & full of entitlements than most countries out there. We just structure it differently, so only the libertarians see through that shit and can see the real problems that need to be solved.

About the government spending: It's all relative. I don't think anyone here wants DC to stop spending everything, but right now it's spending 1000% of what is sustainable so obviously RP is the man for the job to scale that back.

Keep in mind that whomever you put in the White House is still going to have to fight the Senate, the House of Reps, and the courts to get most of their initiatives passed... So even RP wouldn't get all that much spending stopped. Likely not enough at all... While any of these other jokers are likely to Accelerate spending!
 
Keep in mind that whomever you put in the White House is still going to have to fight the Senate, the House of Reps, and the courts to get most of their initiatives passed... So even RP wouldn't get all that much spending stopped. Likely not enough at all... While any of these other jokers are likely to Accelerate spending!

I think it's more of an ideological victory than anything else though. The whole mindset that we have to pick the media annoited candidates goes right out the window if he wins the primary even.
 
You know, every now and then, the quiet little guy sitting alone in the back row of your classroom of a brain manages to raise his starved, skinny hand to say something intelligent. It doesn't last for long because the second he speaks up, he gets bullied back into darkness by the white pride quarterback and the plastic drama girl clicque. But he's the one with the good grades, and I haven't lost hope that one day, that quiet little guy will grow up to become a great celebrity singer who inspires the masses, with tons of hot groupies who follow his every word and want to bear his children.

I'm rooting for him.

I honestly have no idea if you're mocking me or agreeing with me.

Well done, good sir. Well done.
 
I could actually see Ron Paul getting elected to office, getting everything done and turning things around. And then dems taking credit for it with talking points like "see, Obama knew what he was doing, his policies just took a while to kick in. Ron Paul inherited the success of Obama"

Isn't that what they did to Coolidge?