So I Just Got A Call From Convert 2 Media...
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lol I wonder how many signups C2M will get now because somebody started a bitch thread. I know I just went and had a look at their site
Sounds like a good thread.
More sign ups for C2M
More affliates aware of the fraud procedure.
That's what you call a win-win.
If you see this Ruck what are your hours and what time standard are you on? And should I call back the number you called me from?
LOL!! No such thing as bad publicity!
I'm amazed that this thread continued for so long over a phone call. Like another member said just answer the phone with your name. If I don't recognize the number thats what I do, because it may be someone I want to talk to and I want to let them know they've reached a businessperson and not a random number.
I honestly don't know why you guys are sticking up for Ruck in this situation? He treated this guy poorly before he even got to know him. This first phone call is not only to weed out fraud but an opportunity to establish how the relationship is gonna go. If Ruck is starting you with an F right away and you gotta build up to an A where is the trust that is crucial for a solid AM affiliate relationship.
Do you guys have a Quality and Compliance team at C2M? Dude invest in some technology and staff to weed out fraud man. Ask more tactical questions and do your research.
Do you guys have a Quality and Compliance team at C2M? Dude invest in some technology and staff to weed out fraud man. Ask more tactical questions and do your research.
The reality is that C2M is his network and he can see fit to run it anyway he wants. He knows the kind of afifliates he wants, and the kind he doesn't want and if he gets the kinds of affiliates he wants with his tactics, more power to him. One of the benefits of owning a network.
It cannot be stressed enough how many fraud affiliates try to get into networks anymore, and how complex their tactics have become. Fraud applications have increased tenfold over the past year or two, and a simple "how's it going" call isn't always enough to stop them. For every strategy a network devises to flag fraud, the fraudsters find a way around it within weeks.
I know it might sound strange to affiliates that networks sometimes take a harsh approach initially on the application process, but if you've ever been in a position where you have to fight with a merchant to get payment when they feel they've been burned by fraud, you'd understand. It sucks. Beyond the fact that you might not get paid for leads you've already paid affiliates for, you have to live with the fact that there's a merchant out there who might think of you as nothing but a scam network. It doesn't matter that the label is unwarranted, networks take great pride in their reputation and don't like leaving merchants pissed off like that.
I better listen to you because it's clear you understand exactly what's going on behind the scenes. Ohh, if you would like to talk about quality and compliance if I was a dick I would shoot the mouth off about networks (some) from this very forum who ask for my help regarding affiliate research and approval procedures.
So if other networks who have been established years before I came along are asking for a little bit of help, you clearly have put me in my place.
Being a nice guy and appealing to all is something I could care less about. You face a merchant that gets one bad pub on a campaign and decides to not pay at all on a 2 million+ bill I might start listening to someone else's ideas on how to accept pubs.
{edit was in reply to ruins}
So if other networks who have been established years before I came along are asking for a little bit of help, you clearly have put me in my place.
Being a nice guy and appealing to all is something I could care less about. You face a merchant that gets one bad pub on a campaign and decides to not pay at all on a 2 million+ bill I might start listening to someone else's ideas on how to accept pubs.
{edit was in reply to ruins}
Networks or any business in AM need to figure out there needs to be a level of customer service involved in every aspect of their business.
I don't care how much fraud is out there and what "tactics" you have to use to help yourself out, but when I could be super beneficial to your or anyone's network/business you better give me the amount of respect I've given you answering your phone call.
You may not need me and I may not need you but that doesn't mean we couldn't make something that rocks the house if we teamed up - get what I'm saying? //g
I don't care how much fraud is out there and what "tactics" you have to use to help yourself out, but when I could be super beneficial to your or anyone's network/business you better give me the amount of respect I've given you answering your phone call.
You may not need me and I may not need you but that doesn't mean we couldn't make something that rocks the house if we teamed up - get what I'm saying? //g
LOL!! No such thing as bad publicity!
Word. Publicity is publicity. Period. In regards to this thread, 7 new sign ups is proof of that. Folks wanna get on the winning team.
More signups thru the day but irrevelant. I see your point ruins and I thought you were having a go with me. Honestly, I've taken all feedback from this thread into consideration so I appreciate it.
And the funds were recovered. That was an example. As for stiffing us for 2 million because of one pub, you're asking the same question I did. I've recovered all funds from every advertiser that has pulled shit like this except for one which was a tiny bill of 7K.
I'm just putting things out there that some people might not understand. And if you are talking about bad relationships from advertisers pulling shady shit, check out the affiliate managers forum. I'm far from being alone on this. You pick any network out there, they've faced similar situations.
BTW - I would have quit talking a long time ago because most of this is just sittin around bullshittin and gone off topic but Jonny-boy has explicit rules on Moderators promoting shit however I am entitled to answer every reply so I'll indulge.
A bad relationship that was based on weekly payments and zero problems up until one situation. Credit references, working with other networks, widely known, have met at shows. I could go on.
And the funds were recovered. That was an example. As for stiffing us for 2 million because of one pub, you're asking the same question I did. I've recovered all funds from every advertiser that has pulled shit like this except for one which was a tiny bill of 7K.
I'm just putting things out there that some people might not understand. And if you are talking about bad relationships from advertisers pulling shady shit, check out the affiliate managers forum. I'm far from being alone on this. You pick any network out there, they've faced similar situations.
BTW - I would have quit talking a long time ago because most of this is just sittin around bullshittin and gone off topic but Jonny-boy has explicit rules on Moderators promoting shit however I am entitled to answer every reply so I'll indulge.
Yes actually it is true. Good networks are the ones that there are not many of but I get inquiries daily from different affiliate marketing companies popping up or people/small companies trying to get me to bring them leads individually. There are only 5-6 good networks and I would rather have a place that is tough to get into then a fraud shitfest network where they scrub everything like crazy because half the people sending them leads are doing it through ways that don't generate good leads etc.
