Shoemoney - Expert Guide on How to Kill Your Reputation In A Week Or Less!
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Web Archive FTW. Great tool for exposing that kind of shit. Internet Archive: Wayback MachineI've got his entire blog cache from both Google and Yahoo saved... So that when he goes about his deleting and post changing spree, I have the original versions backed by how Google and Yahoo both saw it.
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But haven't you started doing that by creating WickedFire?
And can't you do it better by being specific without giving him ammo to use against you?
I don't mean against you in the sense of C&D, I mean he can paint you to be a raving lunatic or a ranter or whatever. How can he fight back against solid information that helps those he's trying to scam?
That way, your process is expanded. You not only expose the scammers, but you provide the sheeple with a way to NOT be sheeple...the truth. The right way to do things.
When the gurus methods are proven as highly flawed and the successful way to do things is highlighted it has a much more profound effect on their wallet.
I realize all the information anyone needs is alreay here, but it can be overwhelming to compartmentalize it all. Especially for a newbie.
Dammit....I'll just post one of his things, then use it as a case study as to what is wrong with it and how we can do it better in a way that works.
Tonight. I'll do it tonight. If anyone has a specific thing that SM is promoting that they want me to use let me know.
simple fact is - shoemoney, goatfucker that he is, has shown how little brains he has by sending a c&d to the wf forum. A 2 year old with a dummy in his mouth could have predicted what would happen next.
Shoemoney, apparently, isnt even as smart as a 2 y.o. plus dummy.
I HATE 'fake it till u make it' scammers.
Shoemoney, apparently, isnt even as smart as a 2 y.o. plus dummy.
I HATE 'fake it till u make it' scammers.
hey just because you weigh 80 pounds and had your lunch money stolen every day at school doesnt mean you can't fight back!
Theres nothing wrong with fighting, if its an offical thing like in a ring they could setting this out with a few punches and i bet they would hug and kiss afterwards.
Yup. That's me.
There's also nothing wrong with a civil discourse, either. One day you will grow up enough to realize that fighting - actual fist fighting - is not as "fun" as it once was.
Trust me, I used to get a rush from the occasional brawl too. And even though I have no idea who you are, I can say with absolute certainty that I've been in much worse with much meaner people than you will ever dream of. And I also had the displeasure of sobering up in the same jail cell as some of them the day after. Not a fun (or healthy) experience.
Every one is tough behind a keyboard. I'm thankful for the day that I realized that restraint and composure makes a man much larger than resorting to violence.
One day - when you're old enough - we may meet at an industry conference and you can tell me that I weigh 80 lbs. and you can try to take my "lunch money" from me. But I sincerely doubt that will happen.
Grow up, son.
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Waaaait for it...
Greetings to all...new to the forum and this was the first post I came across...nice, huh?
I don't have the ranking, obviously, to share my opinion regarding these posts; however, I have become disenchanted with the showcase-o-rama of free t-shirts and blogging trade shows on a certain blog as of late. Unsubscribed months ago actually.
The thing here that concerns me is the assault of our right to freedom of speech. Am I missing something...since when can't you post whatever the hell you want barring gross illegalities like child porn and the like on the internet!?!
Especially in a forum. Forums and blogs are things that are designed for people to say what they please. It's always been a thing where...well...people were posting their thoughts, opinions, etc. I mean if we were all here slamming a reknowned individual that most people dislike, it probably wouldn't be a problem. I don't see C&D letters coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. every time someone makes a negative remark. I'm sure if we were singing praises, the mention wouldn't be a problem.
Negative publicity happens...get over it.:angrysoapbox_sml:
Waaaait for it...
Greetings to all...new to the forum and this was the first post I came across...nice, huh?
I don't have the ranking, obviously, to share my opinion regarding these posts; however, I have become disenchanted with the showcase-o-rama of free t-shirts and blogging trade shows on a certain blog as of late. Unsubscribed months ago actually.
The thing here that concerns me is the assault of our right to freedom of speech. Am I missing something...since when can't you post whatever the hell you want barring gross illegalities like child porn and the like on the internet!?!
Especially in a forum. Forums and blogs are things that are designed for people to say what they please. It's always been a thing where...well...people were posting their thoughts, opinions, etc. I mean if we were all here slamming a reknowned individual that most people dislike, it probably wouldn't be a problem. I don't see C&D letters coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. every time someone makes a negative remark. I'm sure if we were singing praises, the mention wouldn't be a problem.
Negative publicity happens...get over it.:angrysoapbox_sml:
yeah I only realised after posting :xomunch:
Well, this thread was the last place I expected to learn something useful from Shoemoney...
*rushes off to change robots.txt files*
And +1 to everything else that Seocracy said. This whole thing is fucking retarded. Just squash it now. Close this thread. Let's move on.
Squash it? Why? So we can just let it blow over and let him get away with lying to everyone, bullying people for the last 2 years, building up enough credibility that we should all be held liable for not taking action against him sooner?
It's easy for guys like you who don't stick your neck out and fight for something to say "oh you're being a baby" or "oh this is like HS". Yeah, it appears as it is, but when you actually grow up and learn how BAD shit like this is for ALL of us in the longterm, doesn't that worry you?
I'm sorry, but I can't let it go. Because now Shoemoney has a lot of explaining to do, and he's going around to people right now, and has been for the last 2 days already, trying to convince them that I'm lying about this. That I'm making all of this up. That I changed my original post to something entirely different. That he is being picked on. Are you fucking kidding me?
No way. Not this time. Not anytime will I let a liar like him try and play the helpless victim role. Absolutely not.
I've gotten in touch with The New York Times over this because they actually used him as a "credible source" in an article, and I gotta say, he's not looking very credible anymore.
What about people and companies paying to advertise on his blog? Or the people involved in any type of private consulting or partnerships that involves HIM as an 'authority figure'?? This will all make THEM look bad for trusting him. Hell, I look bad now too because I trusted him and didn't doubt him amongst the many times he asked me to post something for him or for a venture he was involved in. Like the AuctionAds sale. I feel like an idiot for not getting proof of his statements about how much revenue they earned. Or his traffic stats for it. Or even the final buyout price that he said was in the millions, but then said "I can't say exactly because they will know I dropped the news to you and they won't buy it". Yeah, I feel cheated for sure. So should everyone else unfortunately.
That's my goal. Not to make this into a circus or soapopera, but to make sure that while I'm in the industry, someone like this will not get away with lying to me and the rest of the industry, because it is just plain INSULTING.
Would you let Chris Lingle speak at a conference now that you know he was scamming people, lying about having cancer, cheating members out of $50,000 here on the forum, and trying to get everyone to leave WF and go join him elsewhere??? Would there be an industrywide ban on him if we would have just said "oh well that sucks, but drama stinks and let's just ban him here and leave it alone". Fuck no! That would let him get away with it.
Or what about ClickBooth giving out an affiliate's information, that later sparked an inquiry into them that ulimitately led to the fact that they are lying and cheating their affiliates and advertisers left and right?? They sent us TWO C&D's trying to get us to shut up and delete the threads that THEY participated in themselves, thus nullifying their claims that they didn't know about the thread. Blatant lying!!
Does this whole thing suck? Absolutely. I'm sure Shoemoney is well upset, and he has every reason to be. But he can now bet that there will be lots of questions for him to answer from now on.
SHOEMONEY should NOT be taken seriously anymore.
SHOEMONEY should NOT have a radio show anymore.
SHOEMONEY should NOT be allowed to speak at conferences anymore.
SHOEMONEY should NOT be considered a credible or authority figure anymore.
Other than those things, he should be left alone. No one should start up with him here or anywhere after all of this. Specifically on a personal level.
I poked a lot of fun at him and his sensitive areas, and I'm done with that. No one likes to be lied to or played a fool, and it was completely justified for the time it lasted for.
Now we should be taking a more serious approach. Which is why I've been banding together with other very credible and authoritive figures in the industry to create a task force to take a VERY serious look into Shoemoney, and come back with a decision..
Ultimately I really don't want to be in charge of that, because just by me saying what everyone else clearly has been wanting to say for so long is more than I ever wanted this to become. In a twist of fate though, it uncovered a lot of really interesting and serious questions about him, his judgement, his character, his morals, his ethics, and most importantly, his authority and credentials in the industry.
So be it.. we'll see what's uncovered and what the final judgement is. And maybe this will finally act as a warning and lesson to anyone else thinking that just because the internet makes it tougher than usual to track or verify information, doesn't make you safe from being caught.
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Yup. That's me.
There's also nothing wrong with a civil discourse, either. One day you will grow up enough to realize that fighting - actual fist fighting - is not as "fun" as it once was.
Trust me, I used to get a rush from the occasional brawl too. And even though I have no idea who you are, I can say with absolute certainty that I've been in much worse with much meaner people than you will ever dream of. And I also had the displeasure of sobering up in the same jail cell as some of them the day after. Not a fun (or healthy) experience.
Every one is tough behind a keyboard. I'm thankful for the day that I realized that restraint and composure makes a man much larger than resorting to violence.
One day - when you're old enough - we may meet at an industry conference and you can tell me that I weigh 80 lbs. and you can try to take my "lunch money" from me. But I sincerely doubt that will happen.
Grow up, son.
lol i guarantee i could take your lunch money anyday. But anyway Im not saying just go up to the guy and kick his ass. Im saying grow some balls and put on some gloves and have a good ol brawl. Nobody gets hurt and you take out your frustration on each other.Beats being a little bitch and have a grudge for the rest of your life throwing legal papers around at each other. Thats how people get so pissed they decide to kill people.
Like the Internet Marketing Ninjas video series. You should call Jim Boykin and have Shoemoney's videos removed. Why didn't Boykin ask you to do a video for that anyway? That actually is a useful tool set, and some of the videos have useful tidbits in them.
But ask Jim Boykin to have Shoeomoney's interviews removed and replaced with interviews of you.
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