Shoemoney - Expert Guide on How to Kill Your Reputation In A Week Or Less!

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I'm not exactly a strong man here.. I never suggested any physical harm being brought to him, nor would I care. I much rather like poking fun at him and the way he fucks up and lies to everyone over and over. If he punches me, that's a different story.

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to a couple of your 40-post cheerleaders.
 


fuck off he's still my brother and I don't want to be a part of this petty bullshit ..grow up. i am truly disappointed in this forum and i'm ashamed i am a part of it right now.

I agree with this. Andrea has class, and like I said in the other thread where you guys insisted on diminishing her as an individual...you guys are retards.

Obsessed retards.

Ok, none of you like Shoemoney. We get that. But to dedicate threads to bashing him daily? Sounds like lust more than hate.
 
Oh and fuck all of you worthless virgins who think she begged for money.

She sold links. She disclosed why she was selling them, but really it's none of anyone's business.

At least she wasn't selling them to increase a collection of blow up sex dolls.
 
Ok, none of you like Shoemoney. We get that. But to dedicate threads to bashing him daily? Sounds like lust more than hate.

That's like saying no one should talk about the lies and bullshit George Bush is all about.

Don't you people realise that Shoemoney and these other fake ass "super affiliates" are ruining the reputations/occupations of people that do this for living - it makes all of us look like shit.
 
That's like saying no one should talk about the lies and bullshit George Bush is all about.

Don't you people realise that Shoemoney and these other fake ass "super affiliates" are ruining the reputations/occupations of people that do this for living - it makes all of us look like shit.

The reputations of people who create offers for "free ringtones" and such like Lazy Hippy pointed out?

So you don't like HOW he scams, but scamming to make money certainly isn't limited to him.
 
Another thing...

shoemoney isn't ruining my reputation. My reputation as a success has nothing at all with how he blogs. It has everything to do with how hard I work, how I monetize my sites, and so on.

Geez.....you are glorifying his perceived power.
 
Another thing...

shoemoney isn't ruining my reputation. My reputation as a success has nothing at all with how he blogs. It has everything to do with how hard I work, how I monetize my sites, and so on.

Geez.....you are glorifying his perceived power.

my response to this is way too long to type, and I'm not glorifying shit - who has a bigger reach to the general public you or these "super affiliates"?
 
I agree with this. Andrea has class, and like I said in the other thread where you guys insisted on diminishing her as an individual...you guys are retards.

Obsessed retards.

Ok, none of you like Shoemoney. We get that. But to dedicate threads to bashing him daily? Sounds like lust more than hate.

It's not about bashing Shoemoney.. it's about standing up to a bully, a liar, a scammer etc.

The same thing that went for Lingle and ClickBooth applies to Shoemoney and anyone else who fucks around and tries to get the best of people's trust, cash or business.

I'm not trying to be a martyr here, and I'm certainly not trying to stir the hornet's nest with anyone else, all I'm doing here is showing everyone that you don't have to be afraid of douchebags like Shoemoney and the other idiots who try and use these really lame intimidation factors.

I know this is going to sound strange.. but over this last week I've been speaking to other industry folk, outside of WickedFire, and to put an end to people who coast along and lie about pretty much everything to build a false sense of reality or reputation based on it. We're building a sort of task force to combat it. But not in the fighting or threatening to sue sense. Instead it's sole purpose is to investigate and take a much deeper look into claims certain people or businesses take, and really dig for the truth. The outcome will be an industry wide ban on those whom are deemed guilty of it. So that things like this can be prevented, and if not prevented, at least people can be warned and not led to be lied to for a long time making it tough for them to make a decision that effects their business in the future.

I really wish there was something like this around before. Something that would have prevented a Lingle or ClickBooth disaster. I actually wish I would have come out sooner and exposed Shoemoney for the liar that he is. But I was really just waiting for my timing to be right, to jump in at the right time when Shoemoney dug himself even deeper into his hole of bullshit.

I'm not going to back down from this because I am sick and tired of seeing people like him build false reputations and then going on and using it to their financial gains, thus making them even tougher to stop and defend against.

Look at Shoemoney now. His reputation that is. He's going to be speaking on an SES panel I'm sure. He still has lots of SEO/SEM related friends who are going to be jeopordizing their reputations unfortunately in the longrun for associating themselves alongside him out of loyalty as a friend. Which I don't blame them one bit either, as I have done the same with other people, and then felt totally betrayed later on. But that's what happens when there are no warning signs or when people don't speak up until it's too late. Shoemoney has said many times that he plans on writing a book. He also claims to have big plans in terms of creating a set of "infomercial style" get rich quick products. What if I didn't speak out against him? I'm not going to sit around and pretend like I give a shit about naive people being ripped off by yet another liar who built their reputation on total bullshit. But then again, as a member of this industry, and an industry I care A LOT about, which may be my weakness, that I personally have spent A LOT of time involved in and will continue to do so for as long as I can. I for one do not want to see another one of these liars get away with building up false hopes and reputation just because no one else will say anything.

So like what got this place started in the first place. I'll say something. If it comes back to kick me in the ass, so be it. But at least I won't have any regrets knowing that when I could have done something I did, instead of everyone else in a powerful position like my own did absolutely nothing until I said something.. again. Come on people, make a fucking change. Stand up for yourselves. Stop letting these assholes come in and lie and fuck up our industry!!!

If boycotting certain events or certain sites because they employ a certain known liar, then so be it.

I'll be making some announcements at the show, and it may fuck with me later on, may piss some people off, but if being the first one to stand up and say something inspires other people to do the same, then it will have been well worth the risk. I have a feeling though, that I am definitely not the only one who feels this strongly and passionately about this industry in wanting to clean it up a bit. I won't go after you because of how you do your business, or the decisions you make. Whether ethical or non-ethical, legal or illegal, it's your choice. But I will not standby quietly and take spoonfed bullshit from people who need to be called out and need to be removed for promoting themselves or their companies as these amazing places or people, because then we all look like fools for drinking their kool-aid, and I for one, have had enough.

Love WF? Hate WF? I really could care less, but at least agree, that people like Shoemoney and Chris Lingle, or a company like ClickBooth should be removed from this industry because they are based on nothing but lies.

PS - Both Shoemoney and ClickBooth have both sent ME cease and decists now. Both have no case against me or WickedFire. Both have tried their damned hardest to censor you and me on here. So don't think that this is just some petty bullshit that I'm doing for attention. I've put myself at risk.. what have you done lately?
 
my response to this is way too long to type, and I'm not glorifying shit - who has a bigger reach to the general public you or these "super affiliates"?

See....I don't really care because those "super affiliates" aren't targeting what I am.

I'm doing fine and making a very nice living on the markets I'm in, because I target specifically to the users I want to. They target to the users they want to.

Remember the old saying....the bigger they are, the harder they fall. I'm pretty happy with being perceived as being a little girl in this business. My bank account is something I don't share, and I don't feel the need to share ever. So perception is a very skewed thing.

I can't help the people that go out and seek specific niche marketers like him out. I can help the people that are looking for MY niches. I provide, I get paid, they get what they came for, all is good in my world.

But I am not in any way saying that my world is perfect for everyone. Different strokes for different folks. Shoemoney does his thing, I do my thing, spammers (and there are many here) do their thing...and we all make money. We provide value by giving our customer what they came for. It's too bad that some customers want easy money, or quick fixes, or fantasies instantly fulfilled. But they aren't my target market, so I don't lose sleep over them.
 
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Jon, I never said you were trying to be a martyr. I also "get" what you're trying to do...but in my opinion you're helping him.

It would be far more valuable to post one of his scams and shoot holes in it with the REAL way to do it. Back it up with facts that the people making money use to make money...KWIM?
 
Holy fuck at the Saggy Skin Defense Force that's parading in this thread.

That Desist letter is HORRIBLY written. Those aren't even the best fitting legal citations for the claim! Two of them don't even apply, even after you "reinterpret" their meaning! I think his lawyer wiki'd "libel" and arbitrarily copy and pasted the first couple citations.

If you ever have to take this to court, be sure to source Yahoo for a notarized copy of his banning. In a libel/slander case, information not federally protected MUST be given to you if it can prove that you aren't commiting libel/slander. Also of course source his blog AND from a cache archive database like archive.org if he takes it down.
 
Holy fuck at the Saggy Skin Defense Force that's parading in this thread.

That Desist letter is HORRIBLY written. Those aren't even the best fitting legal citations for the claim! Two of them don't even apply, even after you "reinterpret" their meaning! I think his lawyer wiki'd "libel" and arbitrarily copy and pasted the first couple citations.

If you ever have to take this to court, be sure to source Yahoo for a notarized copy of his banning. In a libel/slander case, information not federally protected MUST be given to you if it can prove that you aren't commiting libel/slander. Also of course source his blog AND from a cache archive database like archive.org if he takes it down.

I've read this and a couple of your other posts as well. So...yeah, what's your retainer fee? :smokin:
 
See....I don't really care because those "super affiliates" aren't targeting what I am.

I'm doing fine and making a very nice living on the markets I'm in, because I target specifically to the users I want to. They target to the users they want to.

Remember the old saying....the bigger they are, the harder they fall. I'm pretty happy with being perceived as being a little girl in this business. My bank account is something I don't share, and I don't feel the need to share ever. So perception is a very skewed thing.

I can't help the people that go out and seek specific niche marketers like him out. I can help the people that are looking for MY niches. I provide, I get paid, they get what they came for, all is good in my world.

But I am not in any way saying that my world is perfect for everyone. Different strokes for different folks. Shoemoney does his thing, I do my thing, spammers (and there are many here) do their thing...and we all make money. We provide value by giving our customer what they came for. It's too bad that some customers want easy money, or quick fixes, or fantasies instantly fulfilled. But they aren't my target market, so I don't lose sleep over them.

Well see.. that's what I was referring to..

For years I sat around not getting involved when I probably should have. Instead I just focused on my own work, my own business, and my own cash flow.

But now I'm nearing my 14th year in the industry, and a lot of what I do now isn't about focusing on making cash for my business or my own pockets or even your pockets. It's more of a public service type of role that I've been fighting against and trying to avoid for a very long time, but only recently began to not only accept it, but truly embrace it.

I know, it sounds really deep and nice and whatever.. not something I would normally admit to or want to be doing. But I feel like when you've spent so much time, money and effort building something within an industry, that it's your, dare I say, moral duty to stand up and say something.

Maybe I'm just getting more mature (oh please no!!!!) and looking at things differently now. I hate drama, seriously, I really do. I hate getting involved. But sometimes guys.. I just can't sit back and be selfish like I was for so many years. Sometimes, it's my moral and industry duty to get involved and make noise or bring attention to a certain topic of interest for the ENTIRE industry, not myself, not for WF, not for any financial goal... but for the industry.

I just wish other people would join the fight and do the same so I didn't have to look like the only kid on the block with his fists up ready to jump into the fight.

I'm going to be spending a lot more time and effort into making sure shit like this happens less and less often.

PS - How many death threats have you guys gotten from the shit you say about different things you find wrong in this industry? Because I get them pretty often.. and some of you wonder why I take this stuff so personally sometimes. Well, being sent C&D's is one thing, death threats are a whole 'nother ballgame guys. Once you enter that realm, there's no going back, and that's why I continue to do this shit, and stick my neck out and bring attention to controversial topics like this. Because I figure, the next step after a death threat should be obvious, and if I'm going to go down because some insane fuck thinks it's justified, so be it, but I won't be intimidated by ANYONE in the process, and I certainly will never go down without a fight.. a very public one.
 
Holy fuck at the Saggy Skin Defense Force that's parading in this thread.

That Desist letter is HORRIBLY written. Those aren't even the best fitting legal citations for the claim! Two of them don't even apply, even after you "reinterpret" their meaning! I think his lawyer wiki'd "libel" and arbitrarily copy and pasted the first couple citations.

If you ever have to take this to court, be sure to source Yahoo for a notarized copy of his banning. In a libel/slander case, information not federally protected MUST be given to you if it can prove that you aren't commiting libel/slander. Also of course source his blog AND from a cache archive database like archive.org if he takes it down.

I've got his entire blog cache from both Google and Yahoo saved... So that when he goes about his deleting and post changing spree, I have the original versions backed by how Google and Yahoo both saw it. ;)

Also have tons of other resources that he created himself as the first to say/talk/blog/post about it. So his credibility is on a downward spiral right now, that he started all on his own. All I did was connect the dots. Thanks Shoemoney! If only every idiot who sent me a C&D was as good as setting himself up as you are!
 
Fucking right. I find it hilarious that he has been posting a bunch of post(s) lately trying to cover up what has been brought to light lately. My favorite thing is that I see his picture and videos lately and you can see that he is worried about it.

People should go to events and then heckle him. I loved to see him cry.
 
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