Rehab

[qualo]

Not read any posts other than OP

Check out ibogaine, there is a Joe Rogan podcast about it on Youtube. I know someone who quit smoking with it but it is also used for heavier shit. I am going to use it at some point not for an addiction, just because it sounds like it can better you.

 

[shindig]

This is good advice.
This is not.

Dunno bro, worked for me, but my problem wasn't alcohol. So access was a big part of my problem.

And just 8 months ago I quit oxycontin cold turkey after being prescribed it and percocet for more than a year.

I was trying to quit smoking at the same time, oxy was easy to quit because I didn't have cravings for it the way I do for nicotine. I felt like utter hell for 8 full days and would wake up with my comforter completely soaking wet.

Never been able to drink much alcohol, I prefer herb.

 

[Fatbat]

It depends how heavily you have been drinking. I've had problems with substance abuse in the past and drinking. But the thing is, stopping drinking won't kill you (I'm not a doctor, just my opinion).

That's why when doctors say "Are you sure you should stop cold turkey? You may have a stroke." I call bullshit, because unless you are drinking hard liqueur from the moment you wake up, to the the moment you go to bed, every single day, then it's highly doubtful.

You're right, you're not a doctor and aren't qualified to be giving out sound medical advice if you discount what your doctor has told you could happen, and which is well documented. You don't know what kind of habit the OP has. He may very well be downing two liters of vodka a day from sun up to sun down. It doesn't even take that much though, if you are simply consuming a moderate amount of alcohol constantly, day in and day out.

You my friend, are a total fucking idiot.

You give some BS advice, which you know nothing about and neg me for giving legit advice, from personal experience.

Who's the fucking idiot? You're the one giving BS advice man.

I didn't say it never happens bro, just that it's unlikely to happen, and has never happened in my experience.

It happens all the time. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it's unlikely.

But you didn't take into consideration that it's early for me too, and it is a complicated subject.

Perhaps that's because I have real life experience with the subject, yet the idiot who negged me before (for legitimately trying to help someone), does not.

So, when you don't have things to do, perhaps you could find time to tell me what was wrong with my post? I will say it again - it was my personal opinion to try to help someone, not to be "dissected".

I tried to help someone out and I get berated for it?

Maybe next time I shouldn't bother.

You're getting berated because you're handing out potentially life threatening advice. Your personal experience is irrelevant since you don't know shit about the OP's situation. You deserve to be red bricked into oblivion and given the boot. You're right, you shouldn't bother if you a) don't know what the fuck you're talking about, or b) choose to ignore widely accepted knowledge and instead make a bunch of shit up and call it advice.

That's not a contradiction though is it - stating that I'm not a doctor and saying that I don't agree with doctors? That's just stating a fact and my personal view of doctors.

I know this is Wickedfire, and that I joined recently; but you must be a real asshole to neg me for trying to help someone. You don't even have to agree with what I said - my intentions were good.

You on the other hand haven't even posted anything worth reading. Just childish trolling and insults. So what is your personal experience then? I'd love to know.

You want personal experience? We've got a friend who drinks like a fish. He's the kind of guy that keeps a bottle of vodka on the night stand. He quit cold turkey, went into convulsions and swallowed his tongue. If my other buddy hadn't been there to help him, he'd be dead.

I'll just leave it there, because when someone resorts to calling me a "faggot" - that says it all for me.

I'm not here to argue with kids. If you do have an intelligent response then I may reply.

And for the record I never said "It was perfectly safe" - you just pulled that out your arse.

You're the one pulling shit out your arse mate. Now take your red bricks like a man.

 

[shindig]

Anecdotal but from a grower friend of mine regarding alcohol and mixing it with cannabis, worth a try if alcohol is your problem.

my experiment with infusing liquor with cannabis has provided remarkable results.... thanks for remembering it, grojak.

I came to the idea thanks to two heavy drinkers i know and love, neither of whom could stop drinking till it was ALL gone, and neither of whom used cannabis. I got a bottle of each's preferred alcohol (jamesons for one, Glenfiddich for the other, and a big bottle of premium tequila for ME), stuffed the bottles with dry buds, let them sit in the dark for a few months, then gave them to my hoochie friends, without conditions.

Both of them can now take ONE shot of the medicated booze, and be satisfied...no race to drink more.

My theory was that cannabis reacts in the body according to the system through which it is delivered...eat it and you get one result; slather it on, you get another; smoke it you get yet another; deliver via sugar, yet another.....and obviously these two heavy drinkers has something "awry" and uncontrolled in their alcohol uptake system, something that was grossly....UNsatisfied.

By adding cannabis to their booze, they get the needed "hit" of alcohol via their alcohol uptake system, and they ALSO got "satisfaction" via the cannabis....without having to overindulge and get all shit faced and alky. it is remarkable! Even with the open and available bottle on the table....both now stop at one shot, without craving more.....and thoroughly LOVE the freedom...and healthy feeling... it has allowed in their life. My theory is that cannabis infused alcohol mediates alcohol addiction (how ironic is that??)

As for me...i take a nice shot of my medicated tequila (Tres Generations) anytime i feel "infected" or "icked" by something...i call it "granny's medicine bottle." LOL

 

[makethatgreen]

I go back and forth from vodka to beer. If it's vodka, it's 1/5 in a day. If it's beer, it's 20+ of them. I don't drink this heavily every single day, but this has been going on for at least 3 years.

 

[Fatbat]

I go back and forth from vodka to beer. If it's vodka, it's 1/5 in a day. If it's beer, it's 20+ of them. I don't drink this heavily every single day, but this has been going on for at least 3 years.

Our drinking habits sound remarkably similar. I only drink vodka and/or beer usually and in similar quantities, and not every day in that great a quantity. How are old are you? Do you suffer from nasty hangovers? Are you able to go for any length of time without drinking at all? ie 2 or 3 days without having a meltdown and rushing out to the store or bar to get booze?

 

[efeezy]

In regards to the whole detoxing without medical assistance issue, I had a good friend who was in the hospital after being hit by a car. He was a big time alcoholic and he never let the hospital staff know this. His second night in the hospital, he started going through withdrawals and aspirated in his sleep. Somehow, he was without oxygen for several minutes before the nurses reacted to the monitoring alarms. He slipped into a coma and died a couple weeks later. He was 44 years old.

 

[I_like_cock]

I go back and forth from vodka to beer. If it's vodka, it's 1/5 in a day. If it's beer, it's 20+ of them. I don't drink this heavily every single day, but this has been going on for at least 3 years.

Face it. Yer just a fucking loser.

 

[gooey]

i used to drink heavy for like 3 years,, average 1/5 rum day up to 2/5 rum day. My world became much brighter when i switched to drinking only light beer,, like 12 beers/ day (not even a shot of hard liq and very light beer ie miller light or natural light) I was much more clear headed and people didn't want to fight me all the time.

I suggest you try to stop drinking the hard liq and stick with extra light beer,, then it's easier to slowly cut back how many beers you drink every day.

Also, do you smoke weed? (don't answer if you don't want) but if you do not currently smoke weed,, you can get just as f-cked up with half the alcohol when you mix with weed... and then maybe phase out the alcohol and switch to weed, because when you're high you can still work and think, but not if you are drunk. Then you can phase out the weed if you want to go total sober.

Right now i am 100% sober, not even cigs. But i never "quit" (too much pressure) so i just "stopped" because it was not working for me anymore ... so i still am allowed to drink/drug in the future if i want, just right now i do not want, so i don't. except cigs which i hope i never smoke again ever (not even a blunt wrap or 1 drag).

May i suggest you go visit your dad asap? It will be a good change of pace and get you out of your current enviorment/ daily drinking routine... hell you don't need to even quit drinking you can do that some other time. not sure what your relationship is like with him but maybe it's better to just go visit while he's okay instead of waiting for him to get sick again? It might be good for you as well. You should ask him to borrow money for a ticket if possible or do one of my other suggestions for money. You sound like you are ready to make a change, this may be a good way to get the ball rolling. Good luck op

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

I didn't say it never happens bro, just that it's unlikely to happen, and has never happened in my experience.

You quite clearly don't realize what you're saying. If you're a hardcore alcoholic for a prolonged period of time, what do you think happens to your body? Your body becomes used to digesting a probably 70% liquid diet, your muscles learn to seize up, your blood thins, your body begins storing toxins everywhere -- liver, kidneys, lymph nodes, etc.

Now what do you think happens if you quit cold turkey? Your body begins releasing toxins like crazy, it has no idea how to process your new 90% food diet, your muscles relax, your blood thickens, etc. It could cause all sorts of averse problems, from digestive failure, muscle spasms, toxic poisoning, blood clots, and more.

 

[Fatbat]

...because when you're high you can still work and think, but not if you are drunk. Then you can phase out the weed if you want to go total sober.

Actually, I'm quite the opposite. I cannot smoke and work, it sends me into severe panic/anxiety attacks. However, I can drink beer all day from sun up to sun down, not getting hammered but maintaining a buzz, and work without any problems. If I get too drunk, yeah, forget work. Maintaining that buzz is an art form.

Face it. Yer just a fucking loser.

Didn't mean to hit like. Don't be a fucking dick.

 

[Lucidity]

Jesus christ bros. You make alcohol look fucking ugly. I think I'm done drinking for a while. Goddamn.

 

[BigWill]

how drunk are you 2 right now? lol

 

[-joe-]

I didn't say it never happens bro, just that it's unlikely to happen, and has never happened in my experience.

Well, if you've done it and are still alive, it must be a good idea.

Perhaps that's because I have real life experience with the subject, yet the idiot who negged me before (for legitimately trying to help someone), does not.

OP, stick forks in your eyes. You won't be able to see anymore, so you won't find alcohol. I'm not a doctor, but you'll be fine.

Maintaining that buzz is an art form.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0[/ame]

 

[Fatbat]

how drunk are you 2 right now? lol

Sober unfortunately. I had half a bottle of red wine last night and that's it since Saturday when we were out for a friend's birthday. Been up all night working and it's now 12:18 in the afternoon and I'm going to hit the sack for a few hours and then I'll be back cracking on with more very pressing client work. Don't think I'll be drinking tonight.

 

[Scarecr0w]

You quite clearly don't realize what you're saying. If you're a hardcore alcoholic for a prolonged period of time, what do you think happens to your body? Your body becomes used to digesting a probably 70% liquid diet, your muscles learn to seize up, your blood thins, your body begins storing toxins everywhere -- liver, kidneys, lymph nodes, etc.

Now what do you think happens if you quit cold turkey? Your body begins releasing toxins like crazy, it has no idea how to process your new 90% food diet, your muscles relax, your blood thickens, etc. It could cause all sorts of averse problems, from digestive failure, muscle spasms, toxic poisoning, blood clots, and more.

You don't know what on earth you are talking about.

Muscle spasms? Digestive failure? Blood clots?

Yeah, maybe if you are a chronic alcoholic.

You're the same faggot who started that thread on religion, and then berated anyone who disagreed with you.

 

[bluechinagroup]

You don't know what on earth you are talking about.

Muscle spasms? Digestive failure? Blood clots?

Yeah, maybe if you are a chronic alcoholic.

You're the same faggot who started that thread on religion, and then berated anyone who disagreed with you.

I think you're just saving face because you got called out saying some really stupid shit.

Also OP you're truly a fucking idiot. You just make one bad decision after another. You're never going to be rich that's for certain. Like someone else mentioned, you're going to be one of those losers in a bar talking about the good old days where you had a lucky break and made $400k from Myspace.

 

[makethatgreen]

Also OP you're truly a fucking idiot. You just make one bad decision after another. You're never going to be rich that's for certain. Like someone else mentioned, you're going to be one of those losers in a bar talking about the good old days where you had a lucky break and made $400k from Myspace.

Do you really think that I've survived all these years from money I made nearly 10 years ago?

 

[Fatbat]

You don't know what on earth you are talking about.

Muscle spasms? Digestive failure? Blood clots?

Yeah, maybe if you are a chronic alcoholic.

Holy fuck you are dumb. He's not wrong. Of course those things can happen if you're an alcoholic. That's what we've been telling you was wrong with your earlier "advice" post, because it is well documented (go read Mayo Clinic's website, or Web MD, or any of the other 100s of sites that talk about alcohol withdrawal symptoms and educate yourself) and not that uncommon, and you're still in denial. So, to answer your PM, that is why I disliked your post, and will continue to do so if you keep posting idiotic shit.

 

[I_like_cock]

you're going to be one of those losers in a bar talking.

Going to be... he already fucking is a fucking loser.

@Fatbat GFY I call them like I see'um.