Pr9 Website Value

The points most of you bring to the table here are pretty valid and I don't personally disregard the PR9 site theory nor do I disagree with the high asking price. But that's because for me, what I've learned through all of my years in SEO and even BH SEO is that the only thing that matters when it comes to ranking are IBL's from niche authority sites. Without getting too deep into it, there are only two major search engines I've ever aimed for high ranking on, and that's Google and whatever name Microsoft is calling itself presently. Yahoo always fell into line from both of those, minus the paid/Overture system.

Funny enough though, PageRank died for me in November 2003 during the infamous Florida update. After that, it became strictly about finding niche and even sub-niche authority sites. More is not better at all. And furthermore, PageRank means absolutely dick. Because when I used to have my blog (you can archive.org it and look for the post), I had spent a good year reverse engineering a then mythical algorithm that Google used, and after figuring out the majority of points it relied on, I was able to uncover sites that looked like a piece of shit, and had a low PageRank, but its TrustRank (the real Google algo) was so fucking high that even though the site would command a $5/mo link it had more weight on it than most PR8's or even a PR9. Those sites with the high PR would command $2500+ per month, and you could get the same authority love from just two or three of the cheap ones with the high TR but low PR.

I'd take you up on the challenge and bet your ass I could outrank you for just about anything within a reasonable period of time by using links you'd never consider to be valuable. But who gives a shit about proving it to be true anymore because bragging rights and street cred don't even hold its weight like it used to, so fuck it.
 
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I'd take you up on the challenge and bet your ass I could outrank you for just about anything within a reasonable period of time by using links you'd never consider to be valuable.

Thanks for the info Jon. In the past I've always just thrown paid links at sites and done OK, (the concept of TrustRank has never really come up before) but I found what you said very interesting.

Getting slightly off-topic, but I went and read your old articles on wayback/archive.org and was wondering:

1) Do you think TrustRank is still the foundation of Google's ranking criteria?

2) Short of reverse-engineering the algorithm like you did, or paying for domain reports like you previously offered, how can I start getting to grips with what Google actually considers as the factors in it's trust rank? Are these just the typical "ranking factors" that we all know?

I don't want a long answer... just throw me a bone... (please!!)
 
Jon,

Thanks for your comments. They really made me step back and think about who I should be marketing OBL to if that is the route I take with this domain.

I was completely off in a business plan of selling random text links to to WF/Linkadage/etc members.

I should be targeting the industry and staying relevant and trusted. I'm now putting together a sponsorship package and will attempt to offer a limited amount of sponsorship packages that include OBL's on homepage & sponsor page to any of the numerous corporations within the field. Win win it would seem as the OBL's would be to high quality relevant sites keeping my content good while also -by your thoughts- benefiting those companies more than non-related ones.

Interesting note. I spent the day reviewing other sponsorship packages from industry related events to use as a template and found sponsorship packages also have a huge advantage over selling month-to-month text links: Sponsorship packages (ie $60k for the year) tends to be cash up front. :)
 
I should be targeting the industry and staying relevant and trusted. I'm now putting together a sponsorship package and will attempt to offer a limited amount of sponsorship packages that include OBL's on homepage & sponsor page to any of the numerous corporations within the field. Win win it would seem as the OBL's would be to high quality relevant sites keeping my content good while also -by your thoughts- benefiting those companies more than non-related ones.

Sorry for my previous attempt to derail your thread...

I think what Jon was getting at was that by selling PR9 links, your target market will to a degree, be the (arguably) misinformed people who still value PageRank as a major ranking factor.

You may want to target buyers in related niches but in terms of profitability, the most important thing is to target the people who will pay you the most. This is more likely to be the people who are still chasing the PR dream.

You're right about "sponsorship" being a better idea that monthly packages too, for the simple reason that you'll get paid up front rather than having to worry about monthly PR updates.
 
People on here overly downplay the value of PR as a reaction to the general overvaluing that most people place on PR. Pagerank does matter, just not in the way that many people tend to assume, and it's only one of many factors that influence actual rankings in the SERP's.

If you're trying to find the best way to monetize a PR 9 site, I can tell you that selling backlinks to the highest bidder is probably your worst course of action if you're looking for long term returns. There are a lot of ways you can get creative to monetize that site for better long term value.
 
If you're trying to find the best way to monetize a PR 9 site, I can tell you that selling backlinks to the highest bidder is probably your worst course of action if you're looking for long term returns. There are a lot of ways you can get creative to monetize that site for better long term value.

Isn't this on the basis that it will be factors other than the high PR itself, that will make it possible to monetise the site in other ways though?

Manual high PR blog comments have been something that I've used consistently now for a few years, and I still use PR as a quick measure of a page's authority (because historically high PR has correlated with high rankings) but I'm very aware that it's not the actual PR value that makes it a good link target though.

Are there really better ways to monetise high PR sites based purely on the PR score and not on other assumed domain factors?
 
I think what Jon was getting at was that by selling PR9 links, your target market will to a degree, be the (arguably) misinformed people who still value PageRank as a major ranking factor.

You may want to target buyers in related niches but in terms of profitability, the most important thing is to target the people who will pay you the most. This is more likely to be the people who are still chasing the PR dream.

Actually I think him and Unarmed Gunman are both talking along the same lines and make perfect sense. The "Highest Bidder" will likely generate the quickest amount of cash at the expense of having unrelated links on your site. The links would in time lowering the domain trust / PR and earning capacity on a longer term outlook.

I have to agree that PR does make a difference. It's not the end-all-be-all, but definitely has a role to play in rankings along with a host of other factors. Best way to rank consistently high is to own all the factors including getting PR.

That said, from a marketing perspective you can sell "Text Links" or "domain sponsorship" - both can be exactly the same thing - it's all a matter of how you position the product right? Try selling a "text link" to a corporation with a market cap of X Billion $ and you probably won't get your foot in the door. Try selling the same thing as a opportunity to sponsor a leading domain in their field with a captive audience of respected people from their field and allowing them the ability to promote their appearance as a leader amongst leaders within the field... Well now you might have something.

Now who would pay more? Joe porn site looking for any PR link or Joe Corporation with X billion market cap?

The United Nations association in Canada had a gala dinner in 2011 honoring Leslie Dan. Corporations forked over $25,000 - $75,000 just to get a table, get their branding on display and showcase in front of their peers. Selling a text link at $3000/m or 36k/year (which we all agree is on the high end) is a drop in the bucket to corporations. I'm thinking selling "text links" is not only a bad idea - it likely guarantees a worse valuation than if you put the effort into preparing a real sponsorship package for say $60k for the "platinum" type sponsor.

I'm interested in hearing more on Gunman's "other strategies".. why only have one strategy right?

Thanks for the comments folks, this is getting to be a great and informative thread!
 
The links would in time lowering the domain trust / PR and earning capacity on a longer term outlook.

Loss of PR depending on the relevance of outbound links is a pretty big assumption that I'd want to test if you haven't already done so.

Personally, I've found that the PR of a page isn't noticeably affected by relevance or volume of outbound links.

Also, if you're suggesting that the site has good (or some) domain authority, then this also stops being a discussion about a PR9 site, and becomes a discussion about a PR9 site with high domain authority, which surely alters it's commercial value.
 
i dont care who ya are, I'd be pissed paying $1,000 a month for one link (unless it somehow actually brought me traffic which converted to at least $2k a mo). Furthermore, most of these high PR bullshit sites are done fairly quick and through BS means. my question would be, whats the SEOMOZ PA/DA on this domain of yours? I think this is more of a authority indicator as opposed to a google PR.
 
Right you are mate !!! That's my opinion too ! Buy something that makes money !


i dont care who ya are, I'd be pissed paying $1,000 a month for one link (unless it somehow actually brought me traffic which converted to at least $2k a mo). Furthermore, most of these high PR bullshit sites are done fairly quick and through BS means. my question would be, whats the SEOMOZ PA/DA on this domain of yours? I think this is more of a authority indicator as opposed to a google PR.
 
Quick update for anyone who followed this thread. It's been an interesting year since I purchased the domain. Domain transfer completed, servers moved to USA, running a mix of old content and new content. The site remained PR9 through most of our changes (and 2 re-ranks) but dropped to PR8 in the January update. Oh well - I expect we will be getting it back in the next 3-6 months anyway so not a big deal. All things considered, pretty happy. I'll be offering 3 homepage links at 1k/month to anyone with a science related website.
 
I'm confused, you strongly hinted at a particular site earlier in this thread, which has paid links at the bottom, and is PR9? I can say the colour scheme of the site I'm looking at if that helps, just your original hint seemed quite strong.
 
My site had not been monetized (including paid links at the bottom) when I originally posted... must be another site...
 
i dont care who ya are, I'd be pissed paying $1,000 a month for one link (unless it somehow actually brought me traffic which converted to at least $2k a mo). Furthermore, most of these high PR bullshit sites are done fairly quick and through BS means. my question would be, whats the SEOMOZ PA/DA on this domain of yours? I think this is more of a authority indicator as opposed to a google PR.

First thing is first. Dresden I hate you, faggot.

but ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. This is the answer when looking for links. Jon obviously nailed it earlier, but to add on.. Google wants to see links that add value for your visitors and/or website/brand. Is that backlink on that PR9 website adding any true value to your website or the visitors to your website? Will that link actually bring niche related traffic to your website? Is that PR9 backlink even Niche Related?

I've found links from BS Niche related blogs/websites/2.0s that have added far more SERP value and real added website value than some overpriced PR7 link.
 
First thing is first. Dresden I hate you, faggot.

but ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. This is the answer when looking for links. Jon obviously nailed it earlier, but to add on.. Google wants to see links that add value for your visitors and/or website/brand. Is that backlink on that PR9 website adding any true value to your website or the visitors to your website? Will that link actually bring niche related traffic to your website? Is that PR9 backlink even Niche Related?

I've found links from BS Niche related blogs/websites/2.0s that have added far more SERP value and real added website value than some overpriced PR7 link.
Neither of you guys are the target market. Look at some of the tech related websites. Organization Sponsor - W3C , Members | The Linux Foundation you think those guys are paying 10s of thousands ($68k for w3, price on request for Linux Foundation) just for the (nofollow, depends on your opinion of that) backlink from an inner page with tons of outbound links? The top sponsors already have a shit-ton of natural links, they don't need more to please Google or to get a few clicks.

Not saying that these high price links can't be valuable for SEO/clicks, but OP, you're selling yourself short if you're only going after SEOs wanting to spend $1k.
 
Nah, not when you originally posted, I mean now :) Journal beginning with S, red colourscheme?

Not mine... But I'm curious about the site you mention ie. if the content is relevant to mine. Pm details if you don't mind (I understand if you do).
 
Neither of you guys are the target market. Look at some of the tech related websites. Organization Sponsor - W3C , Members | The Linux Foundation you think those guys are paying 10s of thousands ($68k for w3, price on request for Linux Foundation) just for the (nofollow, depends on your opinion of that) backlink from an inner page with tons of outbound links? The top sponsors already have a shit-ton of natural links, they don't need more to please Google or to get a few clicks.

Not saying that these high price links can't be valuable for SEO/clicks, but OP, you're selling yourself short if you're only going after SEOs wanting to spend $1k.

Yeah you summed it up well. the Dow chemicals corporation could care less about backlinks. Companies that large pay to remain top of mind ie. get their brand image in front of their potential clients.

I didn't mean to suggest that marketing to seo's is my main go-to-market strategy. not at all, but if I can squeeze out an extra 5k/month for a couple words sold to seo's (and I mean relevant sites -which being in the science field there are many) than it's win win.
 
I know the trick how to make PR9 look lengit. So, wise people will know it btw. If you got PR9 your site is well known in this World Wide Web.