Piracetam

It's hilarious how everyone becomes a pharmacologist after reading wikipedia and a few forums.
 


Russ86 said:
Like someone else here said, that acidic content in stuff like orange juice has the potential to change the chemical make-up of whatever you are ingesting. So unless you are a chemical engineer, I would just stick with water.
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What about all that acid when it hits your stomach? Can anyone link to a study performed that verifies that drinking orange juice noticeably affects the usefulness of Piracetam/similar medication?
 
-joe- said:
What about all that acid when it hits your stomach? Can anyone link to a study performed that verifies that drinking orange juice noticeably affects the usefulness of Piracetam/similar medication?
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I'm not saying for certain that it does, I'm just saying that we don't really know how they react together so the potential is there.
 
Russ86 said:
I'm not saying for certain that it does, I'm just saying that we don't really know how they react together so the potential is there.
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I think it's fairly likely it has no effect, the only source I can find saying otherwise is the Daily Mail (which is renowned for making up stories, twisting peoples words, and generally spewing whatever trash they can to sell their paper)
 
Shit! lol. I had no idea about this stuff: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Pramiracetam-Strongest-Piracetam-Oxiracetam-Aniracetam/dp/B0065B08QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330477048&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Pramiracetam 10 Grams (0.35 Oz) Bulk Powder Strongest Racetam 15x Piracetam 10x Oxiracetam 5x Aniracetam: Health & Personal Care[/ame]

Supposedly 15x more potent than Piracetam.. and I already ordered a 50 dollar tub.
 
Berto said:
Yeah I mentioned it above. It's freaking incredible. 3 hours of glory. And I think the guy who sells that is active in WF but isn't posting in this thread.......
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Damn, note to self read Berto's posts thoroughly... well I'm going to buy the good shit anyway... but I haven't cracked the seal on this one, it just came in today... I'm going to try and return it.

edit: Also Berto, are you taking it with Choline? I keep reading horror stories about people getting serious headaches and nausea because of choline deficiency
 
Holy shit again, so I found out that there is a racetam that is 1000x more potent than Piracetam. It's only made in Russia but you can buy it online. It's called Noopept.

I've been doing a lot of reading about people taking it. This dude takes 100mg (~4 times the recommended dosage) twice per day on a regular basis and has some really amazing results. Although I have every reason to be extremely skeptical of this shit, I really want to try it. I also found the only reputable place you buy it online stateside: BioScience Nutraceuticals

I'm undecided as to whether not to try this or not, reading on forums I see a lot of people having a lot of success with it with no side effects. One thing that somewhat threw a redflag was the Russian-based manufacturer who produces this stuff highly suggests that you only take it for 3 months at a time and discontinue use for at least a month before taking it again.

Then again, I think noXplode and other related supps like that had the same type of warning on them.

Decisions, decisions.
 
Anyone ever use it and dealt with tolerance issues?

I use to take them about 3 years back. The 'racetam's effect on my verbal fluency, memory recall, creativity and vision are, to me, literally amazing. Piracetam was good, Aniracetam was better.

I remember surprising myself on what words my mind came up with and how vibrant everything looked. Don't even get me started on music. Too bad I built up a tolerance and ended up with the opposite results. Lots of people report the same thing. Piracetam eventually made me extremely tired and mimicked the feeling of too much b12, while Aniracetam made me VERY angry and depressed.

Would never tell people not to try it though. Some are fine with it.
 
g1c9 said:
I thought you just linked to "BroScience Nutraceuticals" and I thought that was a really interesting name for an ecomm store.

I'm also tempted to roll the dice with you. Let me know what you decide to do.
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lol 'Broscience'

Well I kept reading and I've gathered a lot of information on the substance. Apparently it passed clinical trials in Russia and is available over the counter without a prescription. Here is a direct quote from their website (noopept.ru) using google translate:

In its superior efficiency Noopept ® Piracetam, which is set in a clinical trial in patients with vascular cognitive impairment and post-traumatic origin.
According to clinical studies , the risk of side effects when taking Noopept almost two times lower than when taking piracetam, indicating that the safety of the drug.
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Also, from what I've gathered, Noopept is in the racetam family however, it is technically a peptide. Maximum recommended dose is 10-30mg per day. Is meant to be taken orally after a meal, spreading the dose equally between 2 -3 times per day. Example: 20mg after breakfast, 10mg after lunch. (It is not water-soluble.)

The guy that was mega-dosing this shit, (200mg/day) stopped after first week because he started experiences negative side effects. go figure, lol.

Here is a Russian commercial featuring Noopept:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCSajFqffg4"]�оопепт - YouTube[/ame]

The rough Russian translation is basically "How the fuck do I remember all of this shit" and then someone replies "Noopept is the shiznit, it helps with memory, brain function, cognitive response.... Noopept - the memory aid"

Also, if I do end up buying this stuff I'll be ordering from Cerebral Health. I saw more recommendations for this source than the other and they are U.S. Based so they are at least legally liable if they ship me rat poison instead of Noopept.

Anyway, that's what I have so far, there are a lot of people praising the results this stuff produces so I will probably end up getting it.
 
knarxed said:
Anyone ever use it and dealt with tolerance issues?

I use to take them about 3 years back. The 'racetam's effect on my verbal fluency, memory recall, creativity and vision are, to me, literally amazing. Piracetam was good, Aniracetam was better.

I remember surprising myself on what words my mind came up with and how vibrant everything looked. Don't even get me started on music. Too bad I built up a tolerance and ended up with the opposite results. Lots of people report the same thing. Piracetam eventually made me extremely tired and mimicked the feeling of too much b12, while Aniracetam made me VERY angry and depressed.

Would never tell people not to try it though. Some are fine with it.
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I haven't personally taken Racetams, but after reading literally close to 50 or so accounts and experiences... this seems to be a common theme. Great results for 1-2 months, then it falls off.

And I'm fairly certain this is the reason that Noopept is recommended to take for 1.5-3 months before taking a month break off of it. Have you tried taking a month or so off of it and resuming?
 
I did take a break and got back on it, but I experimented with another supplement at the time (phenibut). I could say it helped but I can't say how quick the tolerance came back.
 
tangy said:
2) If you are eating a western diet, you don't need to take a choline source - there's loads of choline in most of the foods that we eat. Unless you are on a special diet or are starving yourself, the additional choline is of little use and can cause a host of adverse effects including causing you to smell like a dead fish.

5) Piracetam does not need to "build in your system". The drug has a known peak serum time of 1.5 hours and half-life of about 5 hours, which means that unless you're pounding this shit hourly it's not going to "build" anywhere but your toilet bowl as you piss it out.
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I believe there may be some misinformation regarding these two points, almost every account I read tells the opposite story.
 
Yesterday I got the Piracetam I ordered from Amazon. I took a 2.5g dose at noon yesterday and the same this morning. Not really noticing any effects yet but that is pretty common according to what I have read. I will be ordering a choline source to take with it.

As for the taste, it is very bitter. I have found it pretty easy to throw it back in a shot glass with some water, so its not really a problem.
 
knarxed said:
Anyone ever use it and dealt with tolerance issues?

I use to take them about 3 years back. The 'racetam's effect on my verbal fluency, memory recall, creativity and vision are, to me, literally amazing. Piracetam was good, Aniracetam was better.

I remember surprising myself on what words my mind came up with and how vibrant everything looked. Don't even get me started on music. Too bad I built up a tolerance and ended up with the opposite results. Lots of people report the same thing. Piracetam eventually made me extremely tired and mimicked the feeling of too much b12, while Aniracetam made me VERY angry and depressed.

Would never tell people not to try it though. Some are fine with it.
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Honestly, I am satisfied to hear someone else is experiencing the vibrant perception in sight and the way I was able to pick up every sound in music. These effects happened immediately within 2 hours of taking my first Piracetam. I ordered Neuro Boost Piracetam not too long ago and I can say this brand is quality. Although it is capsuled and measured correctly @ 800mg, I did break it open to experience the taste. The taste was very bitter and extremely harsh on the after taste hahah.

I did gather some information from "Smart Drugs for Thought" (the Neuro Boost supplier's website). The page about Piracetam mentions that it is possible to enhance the effects of Piracetam by using a Cholinergic source synergistically. I went ahead and purchased some "Alpha GPC" from the near by Vitamin Shoppe here as a brand "Jarrow Formulas". It was a little bit on the pricey side, but it was well worth it. I later found out this is also the main ingredient in the "Alpha Brain" product from onnit labs. This substance did enhance the effects of the Piracetam or they both were enhanced by each other. I was able to improve my creative and innovative thought process. Now things really seem clear to me as I take the both of them together.

I'm currently on a daily routine using both supplements. 4,800mg of the Neuro Boost Piracetam twice a day with 600mg Jarrow Alpha GPC in the mornings and 300mg of it at the second dose. My social skills have improved from the usage of these supplements and I don't feel I need to add anything else to it. Although Oxiracetam seems like a great addition to the stack, I'm going to give it a couple more months to see if the effects gradually decrease or if build up a tolerance from this usage.

I've really taking a liking to this stack and occasionally mix in a bit of caffeine with this stack to add a minor kick to it in the mornings. Does it really work? Yes, if you use it right it will work - trust me. I honestly maintain a healthy diet everyday and gain the average amount of sleep I should be taking in if this makes a difference. I would choose this supplement stack over a 20mg hit of adderall any time and day, for I haven't experienced any with drawls or adverse side effects from the supplement usage.
 
5hadow12ogue said:
Honestly, I am satisfied to hear someone else is experiencing the vibrant perception in sight and the way I was able to pick up every sound in music. These effects happened immediately within 2 hours of taking my first Piracetam. I ordered Neuro Boost Piracetam not too long ago and I can say this brand is quality. Although it is capsuled and measured correctly @ 800mg, I did break it open to experience the taste. The taste was very bitter and extremely harsh on the after taste hahah.

I did gather some information from "Smart Drugs for Thought" (the Neuro Boost supplier's website). The page about Piracetam mentions that it is possible to enhance the effects of Piracetam by using a Cholinergic source synergistically. I went ahead and purchased some "Alpha GPC" from the near by Vitamin Shoppe here as a brand "Jarrow Formulas". It was a little bit on the pricey side, but it was well worth it. I later found out this is also the main ingredient in the "Alpha Brain" product from onnit labs. This substance did enhance the effects of the Piracetam or they both were enhanced by each other. I was able to improve my creative and innovative thought process. Now things really seem clear to me as I take the both of them together.

I'm currently on a daily routine using both supplements. 4,800mg of the Neuro Boost Piracetam twice a day with 600mg Jarrow Alpha GPC in the mornings and 300mg of it at the second dose. My social skills have improved from the usage of these supplements and I don't feel I need to add anything else to it. Although Oxiracetam seems like a great addition to the stack, I'm going to give it a couple more months to see if the effects gradually decrease or if build up a tolerance from this usage.

I've really taking a liking to this stack and occasionally mix in a bit of caffeine with this stack to add a minor kick to it in the mornings. Does it really work? Yes, if you use it right it will work - trust me. I honestly maintain a healthy diet everyday and gain the average amount of sleep I should be taking in if this makes a difference. I would choose this supplement stack over a 20mg hit of adderall any time and day, for I haven't experienced any with drawls or adverse side effects from the supplement usage.
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Strong first post. I recently started with some of the racetams and they definitely have helped to clear some of the cobwebs. The one question I have is what is with everyone taking these large doses? I take 250-500mg of pram and sometimes mix in a small amount of pi with caffeine and creatine and that's plenty for me.
 
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