Piracetam

I had read that Piracetam can cause adrenal fatigue, where the adrenal glands are overused and start to function poorly. I also read that that wasn't true, but instead they simply rely on the hormones created by the adrenals, so if you have adrenal fatigue, it won't work as well. I've seen elsewhere that it hurts the adrenal's responses to stress, and elsewhere it helps it. Overall, there was absolutely nothing conclusive in any study, other than the fact that it relies on properly functioning adrenals to work, so I gave it a shot.

I took it mostly during exam periods to help me focus/study, and it did help a lot. I also let some friends try it and they said the same. I started around November-December a bit, didn't use it in January, then used it a bit in February & March.

In early April while at the doctor's for something unrelated, they found what they claimed was an tumor on my adrenal gland. I went to a specialist and it turned out to be a benign mass that was feeding off my adrenal's blood supply. They had to remove it, and since it is benign I'm 100% fine, but I find the correlation in time shocking. The name of the mass was extremely odd, and a google search returned literally ONE relevant result, where it was simply mentioned as an aside. The doctor offered absolutely no insight into how something like that could've formed.

I'm not implying that the correlation here means that the tumor was caused by piracetam, but it was definitely very odd that it appeared (well, I discovered it) months after testing out piracetam. I've read that there is a strong relationship between piracetam and the adrenals, but it's not well understood. Hopefully my case was just coincidence.

Also, I contacted a bottling company to discuss the feasibility of using piracetam in a bottled drink as a study aid, and they said that it's on the FDA's list to be reviewed and banned, so it wasn't worth the effort. I don't know how long the FDA will take to start and finish reviewing it, but make sure to keep a stock if you guys really like the stuff.
 


Also, can't edit my post so I'll post again -

From my research on it, I've realized that Piracetam has two main, yet interrelated, uses. Some people use it to get a healthier brain, as it's said to improve cognition, memory, etc, after 12 or so weeks of use. Other people, like myself, use it to get a focus/concentration/productivity boost. And unfortunately, it works really well for that.

People, including myself, condition themselves to rely on all these different short-cuts and magical tricks to increase productivity and focus through sketchy supplements, psuedo-self-help books with a tinge of entrepeneurism or science (willpower, power of habit, imagine, etc), or "techniques" like the Pomodoro method. I've gotten so hyped about things like piracetam, lucidrol, or some books that I've put off work just to read/research them, thinking there would be some net productivity gain in the end. The idea of trying to find ways to increase my productivity and focus, which translates into money, enthralled me. It was like gambling, I wanted to keep searching and reading and hopefully find some awesome harmless pill or method or idea that would turn me into a productivity monster.

This is analogous to blindsighted hopefuls buying WSO-after-WSO searching for that golden nugget of text or information that will change their lives forever. Instead of just diving into a business and taking action to learn things on their own, they spend time putting their hope and the abstract effort involved in finding online success into the hands, and in the end pockets, of online snake oil salesmen. For me, instead of just doing the damn work and disciplining myself, I kept searching for secret tricks to make me get the work done more easily. I would've been much better off if I had just sat down and trudged through everything without trying to get some productivity boost to help.

While with supplements you do actually get some benefit, the benefit, to me at least, is useless. I don't want to rely on a powder, pill, or fancy timer to become productive, focus, and get shit done. I don't want to spend the rest of my working life guzzling shit-tasting Piracetam and chasing it with OJ and feel like a crack addict trying to get some kind of productivity high.

I want to exercise my own self-control, willpower, and focus - all of which are mendable (that's where books like Willpower do help, I suppose - not as shortcuts to productivity like I viewed them), and actually work to condition myself to stay on top of all my work and be productive as hell, every day.

I used to be very interested in lucid dreaming, and used to lucid dream naturally quiet often. I stumbled upon a few forums and read a ton of methods that help induce lucid dreams, and read about binaural beats and the like. I tried them out with pretty decent success, but after a while, I stopped having natural lucid dreams like I used to, and depended completely on using the cheap tricks I had learned, which had pretty low success rates. I read on some forum that it's a common side effect for natural LDers - when you begin relying on outside methods to have a lucid dream, you don't exercise your innate ability any more, and it sort of fades away and weakens, like an unused muscle. Productivity, focus, concentration, and willpower are the same way - if you don't consciously strain yourself to push your limits, and begin relying on outside things to get you where you need to be, you're going to be doing yourself more harm than good in the long run. Of course if you really really need to get a project done ASAP or cram for an exam, go for it - but I strongly believe that making it a daily habit isn't a good idea, ESPECIALLY when the stuff is on the verge of being banned.
 
I had read that Piracetam can cause adrenal fatigue, where the adrenal glands are overused and start to function poorly. I also read that that wasn't true, but instead they simply rely on the hormones created by the adrenals, so if you have adrenal fatigue, it won't work as well. I've seen elsewhere that it hurts the adrenal's responses to stress, and elsewhere it helps it. Overall, there was absolutely nothing conclusive in any study, other than the fact that it relies on properly functioning adrenals to work, so I gave it a shot.

I took it mostly during exam periods to help me focus/study, and it did help a lot. I also let some friends try it and they said the same. I started around November-December a bit, didn't use it in January, then used it a bit in February & March.

In early April while at the doctor's for something unrelated, they found what they claimed was an tumor on my adrenal gland. I went to a specialist and it turned out to be a benign mass that was feeding off my adrenal's blood supply. They had to remove it, and since it is benign I'm 100% fine, but I find the correlation in time shocking. The name of the mass was extremely odd, and a google search returned literally ONE relevant result, where it was simply mentioned as an aside. The doctor offered absolutely no insight into how something like that could've formed.

I'm not implying that the correlation here means that the tumor was caused by piracetam, but it was definitely very odd that it appeared (well, I discovered it) months after testing out piracetam. I've read that there is a strong relationship between piracetam and the adrenals, but it's not well understood. Hopefully my case was just coincidence.

Also, I contacted a bottling company to discuss the feasibility of using piracetam in a bottled drink as a study aid, and they said that it's on the FDA's list to be reviewed and banned, so it wasn't worth the effort. I don't know how long the FDA will take to start and finish reviewing it, but make sure to keep a stock if you guys really like the stuff.

Also, can't edit my post so I'll post again -

From my research on it, I've realized that Piracetam has two main, yet interrelated, uses. Some people use it to get a healthier brain, as it's said to improve cognition, memory, etc, after 12 or so weeks of use. Other people, like myself, use it to get a focus/concentration/productivity boost. And unfortunately, it works really well for that.

People, including myself, condition themselves to rely on all these different short-cuts and magical tricks to increase productivity and focus through sketchy supplements, psuedo-self-help books with a tinge of entrepeneurism or science (willpower, power of habit, imagine, etc), or "techniques" like the Pomodoro method. I've gotten so hyped about things like piracetam, lucidrol, or some books that I've put off work just to read/research them, thinking there would be some net productivity gain in the end. The idea of trying to find ways to increase my productivity and focus, which translates into money, enthralled me. It was like gambling, I wanted to keep searching and reading and hopefully find some awesome harmless pill or method or idea that would turn me into a productivity monster.

This is analogous to blindsighted hopefuls buying WSO-after-WSO searching for that golden nugget of text or information that will change their lives forever. Instead of just diving into a business and taking action to learn things on their own, they spend time putting their hope and the abstract effort involved in finding online success into the hands, and in the end pockets, of online snake oil salesmen. For me, instead of just doing the damn work and disciplining myself, I kept searching for secret tricks to make me get the work done more easily. I would've been much better off if I had just sat down and trudged through everything without trying to get some productivity boost to help.

While with supplements you do actually get some benefit, the benefit, to me at least, is useless. I don't want to rely on a powder, pill, or fancy timer to become productive, focus, and get shit done. I don't want to spend the rest of my working life guzzling shit-tasting Piracetam and chasing it with OJ and feel like a crack addict trying to get some kind of productivity high.

I want to exercise my own self-control, willpower, and focus - all of which are mendable (that's where books like Willpower do help, I suppose - not as shortcuts to productivity like I viewed them), and actually work to condition myself to stay on top of all my work and be productive as hell, every day.

I used to be very interested in lucid dreaming, and used to lucid dream naturally quiet often. I stumbled upon a few forums and read a ton of methods that help induce lucid dreams, and read about binaural beats and the like. I tried them out with pretty decent success, but after a while, I stopped having natural lucid dreams like I used to, and depended completely on using the cheap tricks I had learned, which had pretty low success rates. I read on some forum that it's a common side effect for natural LDers - when you begin relying on outside methods to have a lucid dream, you don't exercise your innate ability any more, and it sort of fades away and weakens, like an unused muscle. Productivity, focus, concentration, and willpower are the same way - if you don't consciously strain yourself to push your limits, and begin relying on outside things to get you where you need to be, you're going to be doing yourself more harm than good in the long run. Of course if you really really need to get a project done ASAP or cram for an exam, go for it - but I strongly believe that making it a daily habit isn't a good idea, ESPECIALLY when the stuff is on the verge of being banned.
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You're clearly on adderall.
 
hellblazer said:
It's called addiction. 89% of the people on this forum are addicted to one thing or another, sometimes multiple things. It's the only way they get things done, satisfy the emptiness within, or keep their personal demons at bay. But hey, at least they're "banking", bro.
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89%? I thought that was the percentage of your racial remarks on WF.
 
lose lose win said:
moar info/experiences plz
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Taking galantamine with the wake back to bed method gives an high success rate of lucid dreaming. Ideally sleep 3-4 hours, wake up, take it and get back to bed. Combine it with choline for a good trigger. Basically it increase vividness and length of the dream so increases the likelihood of you realizing your dreaming. It also has the potential of triggering a wake induced lucid dream where you directly transition into a dream while fully awake. Now that is a real trip. I hear music, and feel myself pushed out of my head and the dream landscape comes into view. These dream landscape is presented like a cinema screen and I can decide to go into the dream scape in which, i will be fully immersed in that reality. While in this reality, the level of my awareness is the same as being awake.
 
Just got my shipment of noots in. I've tested each one and isolated what each does and here's my current stack:

Piracetam
Choline Bitartrate
Picamilon
Bacopa

I really like bacopa as it gives a great anti anxiety effect and an overall calm feeling. On top of that, it is hella cheap.

I bought a small capsule filling setup off of ebay and it takes maybe 10 minutes a month to fill the capsules. I got a scale so I know roughly how much I am taking. For the picamilon though I have to measure it out individually since the doses are so small.
 
Any of you guys still taking experimenting with this stuff? I knew a few of you started taking it because of this thread so I'm curious to see where you stand. I've had the stuff for awhile (piracetam), started taking 1.5G 2x Daily w/ 300MG Choline 2x Daily about 2 weeks ago. Nothing crazy but it's definitely made a noticeable improvement. Feel more productive and can think more clearly/quicker. Thinking about upping the dose.
 
tangy said:
Fish oil generally contains heavy metals which can build to toxic levels in your body over time
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troob said:
Just ordered some noopept, I'll post back with results.
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Please do. Very interested in this when my stash runs out.

I just got back on 1.5g ALCAR + 2g Piracetam +200mg caffeine in the mornings and it's put me back on track after the holidays and a chaotic move to a new city.

At some point, I need a stimulant break bad... but I can't afford to put myself in that state for a while.
 
Berto said:
Please do. Very interested in this when my stash runs out.

I just got back on 1.5g ALCAR + 2g Piracetam +200mg caffeine in the mornings and it's put me back on track after the holidays and a chaotic move to a new city.

At some point, I need a stimulant break bad... but I can't afford to put myself in that state for a while.
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Do you find that piracetam gives you better than placebo results?

Have generally heard a lot of meh feedback for anything that isn't a stimulant (caffeine, amphetamines, etc.). If this is a real productivity booster (like either of the two things mentioned) I'll pick some up and try it out.
 
cardine said:
Do you find that piracetam gives you better than placebo results?

Have generally heard a lot of meh feedback for anything that isn't a stimulant (caffeine, amphetamines, etc.). If this is a real productivity booster (like either of the two things mentioned) I'll pick some up and try it out.
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Quick comment on the placebo. I suffer from both APD and Anomia ranging from a mild to medium degree depending on the circumstances. Before taking any of the Nootropics no where in any of my research did I come across a reference to either. Within days both afflictions were noticeably reduced and the improvement continues many months later.

Thought this might be pertinent concerning the placebo effect because some of my results were not advertised or expected but a welcome surprise.
 
On the noopept right now, it's like a calming sort of energy. There's no "push" like adderall or other stimulants but I can definitely feel it.

Music sounds better too, especially trance and progressive house, puts me in a nice flow.
 
not piracetam related, but I've started taking a grip of supplements again as I've gotten back into heavy lifting. I'm sure it's a combo of the lifting and the supplements but I feel fuckin fantastic now, lots of energy and motivation. Easily hitting 1.5-2 hours in the gym a day.
 
I have taken different racetams for about 2 years now. Each one is different from another. But for me if I take one for too long it loses it's effectiveness (2 months) so I tend to cycle off of them for a bit or just use a different racetam.

Stacking racetams can be fun too. I really like noopept, but don't buy into the whole 1000x stronger because each racetam will produce a different yet similar effect. Number one reason to take a racetam is that it will put you in a better mood with being able to focus more and speak more clearly. Try it out for yourself. Please research what you decide to take.
 
Anyone else feel like everything has a distorted/muted effect when on racetams. I then have a few days of depression when coming off. Yeah I may not be in a "good" mood all the time when not on the noots, but at the same time I do feel more emotion/alive.
 
I didn't read all the bullshit in this thread because I'm hustling and hyped up on piracetam.

I started at 1.5g, then 2.5g, and now I'm rocking about 4g's of piractam with about 5g's of choline to go with it. I found i need more choline than piracetam or I sleep like 12 hours a day.

It's the bomb. My mental fog is gone. Clarity out the ass. Like I'm 13 again. But with an adult brain that has myelinized dendrites.
 
mx=headroom said:
Anyone else feel like everything has a distorted/muted effect when on racetams. I then have a few days of depression when coming off. Yeah I may not be in a "good" mood all the time when not on the noots, but at the same time I do feel more emotion/alive.
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No. I don't think I would ever take any of it again with the above affects. Dosage? I've read that some people have a better experience on less. Not sure if it was specifically pi, ani, pram or a combination though.
 
I gave aniracetam a try. It's okay, but racetams can't hold a candle to amphetamines. Vyvanse ftw.
 
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