Old guy on 4chan gives you some spot on advice

[kingfish]

Love the list!


I nominate this for Trolliest comment of 2011... What a fucktard.

Lol there's no way that could be the trolliiest comment of 2011 since I was only half trolling and if it is then there are some serious weak ass trolls who need to step up their game.

Anyway I'll lay it down for you.

The thing atheists seem to fail at is that they don't realize they are part of a religion that is atheism. The reason is that atheists believe that god doesn't exist, now take note of the word believe cause that's the important bit.

The first lemma is that one can not disprove the existence of god and to show this let's have a little thought experiment. Suppose you come up with an experiment that will disprove a god exists and you say that if result X happens then god doesn't exist. Now all one has to say is well god made result X happen. Now your experiment has been carried out and X has happened, but it's been proposed that god made result X happen. So you've both proved and disproved god creating a logical fallacy. Therefore no such experiment could exist.

Atheists will claim it as fact that there is no god. But it's not a fact it's a belief because the absence of a god is something that can not be proven by science or logic, which is basically the nature of the concept of a god. Now since science and logic can not disprove the existence of a god by definition anyone who claims there is no god with no possible chance of their being a god is participating in a belief and thus falling under the definition of a religion.

"Religion - a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects"

The keyword in that definition being belief.

Now since atheist have a belief they are participating in a religion and since that religions practices is to denounce religion it quite nicely fits the definition of hypocrisy.

Thus atheism is a religion based on hypocrisy.

If one wants to not believe in anything the only choice then is agnosticism which has no belief one way or the other towards the existence of a god and therefore is not a religion.

 

[Joshi]

@Kingfish

Atheism can't be a religion. And you can't use the word hypocrisy along with atheism either. It's not like atheism has a set of rules like "If you can't see, hear, feel etc etc something then it doesn't exist."

Atheism is kind of a logical thinking that can show as many arguments as possible to tell you that there is no god, it all depends on the maturity of the person (the atheist).

Me, being an atheist, has my own set of points to back my being an atheist. And it's not like all the atheists have formed a group and set like "Ten points for the atheists".

 

[BluAffiliate]

Atheism isn't a religion but militant atheists are annoying as fuck. They're kind of like feminists almost. Leave people's religion alone.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

The only logical people you'll find in a discussion on religion are agnostics. Everyone else swears to know the unknowable, and are incredulous that you don't see things their way (Atheists can be just as bad as Christians, Muslims etc).

 

[lukep]

The thing atheists seem to fail at is that they don't realize they are part of a religion that is atheism. The reason is that atheists believe that god doesn't exist, now take note of the word believe... .

Or not. As soon as we come to this conclusion ourselves, (first year stuff) we realize that the word Atheism is still the best word to describe what we really are... Those who have come to the logical conclusion that no god is the most likely way. -Because in a way you're right, it's stupid to say your without belief when there is the belief that you are right... But Scientists don't work that way (Always looking for new evidence even on old laws) and atheism is clearly the belief system of scientists.

Atheists will claim it as fact that there is no god.

Correction: Atheists will claim that it is by far the most likely thing that there is no god. I've yet to hear an atheist of any merit say something like "It is impossible that there could be a god." -We're just not that careless of a group...

Thus atheism is a religion based on hypocrisy.

All I can give you on this point is that the newbie, skript kiddiez version of atheist probably hasn't thought it all through enough and may fall under your definition of hypocrisy. For the rest of us, you're just not giving our brains enough credit.

If one wants to not believe in anything the only choice then is agnosticism which has no belief one way or the other towards the existence of a god and therefore is not a religion.

Wrongo.

...militant atheists are annoying as fuck.

LOL, Militant Atheists, Militant Atheists LOL

 

[Joshi]

The only logical people you'll find in a discussion on religion are agnostics. Everyone else swears to know the unknowable, and are incredulous that you don't see things their way (Atheists can be just as bad as Christians, Muslims etc).

Agnostics are "fence-sitters", they are of no use to this world. They can't solve the problem here.

The reason I label myself as an atheist is because you need some people (in my opinion, the atheists) to neutralize the situation, you need atheists to save the remaining world from the fanatic religious people. I have seen people say "It's all in the hands of god" and leave the problem as is, instead of trying to correct it, when I asked some of those parents to take good care of their children as far as their mental state is concerned. Those being great believers of god don't even know how to take good care of their children in their teens, instead they just say "fate" and shrug it off. If only they could show that much interest in their own lives (their children's lives) instead of the thing "God"!

..... Anyway, this thread seems to be taking the route of another fight between Theists and Atheists .....

 

[music4mic]

Agreed with every part of this. (And I'm an atheist.)

My only concern as an atheist about not telling others the fault of their religions (and of course I agree that you shouldn't be pushy about it if ever you do so) is the main theme of Bill Maher's Religulous: That Armaggedon may very well be a self-fulfilling prophecy in a few of the biggest religions.

So if certain behaviors and beliefs by the religious aren't stopped, they will literally Kill us All...

And that is the Ultimate form of not keeping your religion to yourself.

Yeh, definitely agree. I don't see anything wrong with dialog about extreme behaviors by any group. Being a religious group doesn't make you immune from that. And in fact, makes the behaviors scarier because people can be so devoted to religion that they are willing to do anything for it.

 

[lukep]

I'll just leave this here, gor giggles as well:

 

[Hav3n]

Yup, I also wondered what's that all about.

Probably due to implied heightened responsibility males tend to have in families/companies though.

**BUZZER*** WRONG.

It's because more women 'attempt' suicide.
Men usually pick more 'decisive' suicide methods.



Aka... A woman takes a bottle of pills as a cry for help/suicide attempt. A friend calls the cops. They rush her to the hospital and save her life.

A man takes a shotgun and puts it in his mouth. BOOM!

 

[Ar Scion]

Agreed with every part of this. (And I'm an atheist.)

My only concern as an atheist about not telling others the fault of their religions (and of course I agree that you shouldn't be pushy about it if ever you do so) is the main theme of Bill Maher's Religulous: That Armaggedon may very well be a self-fulfilling prophecy in a few of the biggest religions.

So if certain behaviors and beliefs by the religious aren't stopped, they will literally Kill us All...

And that is the Ultimate form of not keeping your religion to yourself.

Religious people have the exact same justifications for their proselytizing.

"Oh we need to save the world from the moral corruption and hypocrisy of atheism."

And in a sense, they are right. Atheists are some of the most selective skeptics that exist.

 

[kingfish]

Correction: Atheists will claim that it is by far the most likely thing that there is no god. I've yet to hear an atheist of any merit say something like "It is impossible that there could be a god." -We're just not that careless of a group...

All I can give you on this point is that the newbie, skript kiddiez version of atheist probably hasn't thought it all through enough and may fall under your definition of hypocrisy. For the rest of us, you're just not giving our brains enough credit.

I'll just leave this here

Atheism
–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Atheism | Define Atheism at Dictionary.com
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

Hypocrisy
1
: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

Seems every dictionary definition I can find is nearly the same. Now if you want to argue for the selective use of English language words to mean something else just because that's how you feel then I think that's a completely different argument.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

I'll just leave this here, gor giggles as well:

Here I fixed that for ya:

 

[mr doodles70]

Here I fixed that for ya:

congrats you proved people can behave badly.

christopher hitchens challenge:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqFwree7Kak]YouTube - Christopher Hitchens Moral Challenge to the god fearing religious folks[/ame]

 

[mr doodles70]

and on stalin:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRhczvtmbWE]YouTube - Hitchens On Stalin[/ame]

 

[DanWesson]

What's really cool about this thread is the atheists reacting just as religious folk would when questioned, thus proving the point kingfish made.
Very predictable.

Atheists: But, but, were saving the world from dangerous religion.

As Lord B said: keep your beliefs to yourself.
Debating politics has merit. Debating religion is an utter waste of time.

 

[Joshi]

What's really cool about this thread is the atheists reacting just as religious folk would when questioned, thus proving the point kingfish made.
Very predictable.

Atheists: But, but, were saving the world from dangerous religion.

As Lord B said: keep your beliefs to yourself.
Debating politics has merit. Debating religion is an utter waste of time.

Holy Shit, People!!

As an atheist I will always try to save people in this world from the stupid over-religious people and their stupid ways of dealing with the problems in this REAL world. And I have my own set of rules in life as to what is good and what is bad and I will stick to my own good way as far as leading a life in this world is concerned. I don't rub people with my shit "Hey, you should become an atheist like me too". My motto is Live and Help them Live (Comfortable life without all that nonsense like "If you don't accept and praise god in this world, he will throw you away in hell").

The over-religious people try to save the souls of people in another epic, uber world that's called the kingdom of god (the existence of which is a big question mark "?"). They try to save the souls of people from rotting in Hell. For that they take shit ways to torture, rub their opinions on others forcing them to accept god and follow the religi-lunatic life. Of course, they also tell them to lead a good life in this world. I was talking about a religious female character type in the film The Mist (2007) - IMDb.

Do you now understand the difference between an Atheist and a Religious character?

And for Kingfish: Great dictionary stuff dude, Maybe we could also use our brains instead of dictionaries! By the way, Can I think the relation between you and your parents is also a "Religion" at least until now because it's also belief and hasn't scientifically been proven by you, other than the words told by your family members that you are the son of your parents. If you go down to the exact meanings of dictionary words almost everything in our life is either a "Religion", "Belief" or "Set of rules" or any other stupid dictionary meaning. I think you quoting the dictionary meanings of the words is too gay to even laugh at. Whatever!!

 

[ricdes]

some idiot said he's hating on women? Really? Hating on women because he's telling you not to marry some idiot? Fuckin A this guy is my hero.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

You atheists better hope you're right...................................

 

[lukep]

Atheism
–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Atheism | Define Atheism at Dictionary.com
Atheism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Hypocrisy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Annoying Troll is Annoying.

I had just said the following in the same exact post you were quoting these in reference to:

As soon as we come to this conclusion ourselves, (first year stuff) we realize that the word Atheism is still the best word to describe what we really are... Those who have come to the logical conclusion that no god is the most likely way.

-Because in a way you're right, it's stupid to say your without belief when there is the belief that you are right... But Scientists don't work that way (Always looking for new evidence even on old laws) and atheism is clearly the belief system of scientists.

Clearly we are past the point of defining what unites people who call themselves Atheists. To go back and quote dictionary references of it is annoying and childish.

 

[lukep]

What's really cool about this thread is the atheists reacting just as religious folk would when questioned, thus proving the point kingfish made.
Very predictable.

Except we aren't trying to convert a soul here, much less kill them. This all started because Trollfish was badmouthing us when he called us hypocrites. I have no desire at all to have him join us. -In fact I'd rather he stay stupid.

Atheists: But, but, were saving the world from dangerous religion.

That is a concern of any group of political, moral, racial, sexual or any other "party" that has opposing parties... Difference is we're not going to blow shit up or force your children to learn our ways.

As Lord B said: keep your beliefs to yourself.
Debating politics has merit. Debating religion is an utter waste of time.

Agreed 100%. Atheism isn't religion though, and the only person here who is arguing that it is, was the one who started all this shit by attacking it.