st nicholas of myra is where the whole santa claus thing came from (4th century bishop). Some tend to believe its pagan related, but their full of shit. As for the faith on Christ being born on the 25th of December; what is it you believe again? Most if not all religions are by far more fucked up than christianity but have no actual backing (unlike christianity having the codex at the vatican and britain both of which match up yet were found in different spots). Or wait, if your athiest, remember that "matter cannot make its self out of nothing". ....waiting haters responses
Oh you're Jewish? Merry Christmas!
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i could give a fuck about a debate, im not here to break down ideals or my personal faith. I do know however, that matter cannot make its self from nothing. Hence there is something that we cannot understand, something thats not in our nature to understand given we researched as much as we could (for example; who made God). It's faith, that's what I have - and as ordered throughout the entire bible; I'm just waiting for the call to destroy all who oppose my christian ideals. :-=)
I agree with the logic about 'where did matter come from'... but that's why I am agnostic. I am content with the fact, that we don't know and there are things we probably can't understand... Beyond that, and I don't mean this to be offensive, I think faith is a bunch of bullshit. It's kind of like that scapegoat to ignore all logic in order to satisfy your psychological need for certainty.
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Why worry about people who lack logic and reasoning skills? Worry more about the people who think they have superior logic & reasoning skills - they're a far more dangerous group.
O RLY?the only thing that might be pagan about the whole ordeal, is the tree. Read a book.
Read a book? lol. What like Mein Kampf?
LOL...
Read a book.
I didn't have time to read a book so I read some articles instead.
How the Nazis Stole Christmas | Features | Fortean Times
The Nazis, however, began to promote a different name for the holiday, calling it Julfest (Yuletide) or Rauhnacht (Rough Night) to emphasise a neo-pagan, Nordic/Germanic concept that focused on the winter solstice, the harsh, dark times that required forbearance and strength, followed by the long-awaited return of the Sun.”
By avoiding explicit references to the birth of Christ and the festival’s Christian message and substituting a vaguely pagan but undeniably nationalistic symbolism, the Nazis appeared to be replacing, or conflating, one Messiah with another; as well as the ‘Son’ with the ‘Sun’.
San Francisco Sentinel » Blog Archives » HITLER KEPT CHRIST OUT OF CHRISTMAS
The regime’s exploitation of Christmas began almost as soon as the Nazis took power in 1933. Party ideologists wrote scores of papers claiming that the festival’s Christian element was a manipulative attempt by the church to capitalise on what were really old Germanic traditions. Christmas Eve, they argued, had nothing to do with Christ but was the date of the winter solstice – the Nordic Yuletide that was “the holy night in which the sun was reborn”.
The Nazification of Christmas did not end there. The Christmas tree crib was replaced by a Christmas garden containing wooden toy deer and rabbits. Mary and Jesus became the Germanic mother and child, while dozens of Christmas carols, including the famous German hymn “Silent Night”, were rewritten with all references to God, Christ and religion expunged. At the height of the anti-Christian campaign, an attempt was made to replace the coming of Christ the Saviour with the coming of Adolf Hitler – the “Saviour Führer.”
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Matter cannot make itself out of nothing, therefore this theory of creation from a few thousand years ago with no scientific merit is what happened, any insights we've had since then are meaningless.
Yep, no point in contemplating the vast mysteries of the universe, we solved all of that shit in the desert before we even knew what the sun was, give it a rest you silly astrophysicists.
There can be no other possible answer. The fact that anything exists at all means that the bible was right. A very valid point, I don't see how anyone with half a brain would refute that.
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From what I've read, christmas evolved from a winter solstice festival that was recognized long before the birth of jesus. Christians branded the festival as their own (probably to compete with all of the other holidays and festivals at the end of the year) and called it a celebration of the birth of jesus, but it's unlikely that December 25th was actually his birthday.
Matter cannot make itself out of nothing, therefore this theory of creation from a few thousand years ago with no scientific merit is what happened, any insights we've had since then are meaningless.
Yep, no point in contemplating the vast mysteries of the universe, we solved all of that shit in the desert before we even knew what the sun was, give it a rest you silly astrophysicists.
There can be no other possible answer. The fact that anything exists at all means that the bible was right. A very valid point, I don't see how anyone with half a brain would refute that.
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From what I've read, christmas evolved from a winter solstice festival that was recognized long before the birth of jesus. Christians branded the festival as their own (probably to compete with all of the other holidays and festivals at the end of the year) and called it a celebration of the birth of jesus, but it's unlikely that December 25th was actually his birthday.
BWAHAHAHA!!! That fat old damn cat... ROFL!
I swear that's the funniest thing I've seen a cat do on a youtube film, and cats are not exactly unknown there... Good share.
THIS is the big conflict you see in the Atheist argument? That the big bang has no explanation yet?
I can't explain why anyone would want to be a nazi in this day and age either but you sir are living proof that they do!
Just because I can't explain this mystery doesn't make me want to worship your god!
I am testing if Happy Holidays is better. It seems to cover a larger Demographic. And covers a longer duration too.
Disregard religion. Acquire Holiday monies.
Disregard religion. Acquire Holiday monies.