Obama's civilian national security force

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Sorry for digress but I had to...

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I'm not the one who condones murder of civilians. So don't tell me I am intellectually bankrupt. You have blood on your hands because you endorse violence. You call mass murder self-defense.

There, you got to play victim, get your ass kicked, and make Israel the focal point of the argument. Happy?

Wow - talk about going off-topic. You bang away at your keyboard to come up with that screed, and never once address the main point - nukes alone are not enough. Israel needs ground troops as well. Or did you concede that point when you went off the rails and started regurgitating far-left, liberal Daily Kos propaganda?
 
Wow - talk about going off-topic. You bang away at your keyboard to come up with that screed, and never once address the main point - nukes alone are not enough.
Nukes are never enough when you are out starting fights with everyone around you, and refuse to negotiate for peace. Yes, then nukes are not enough. Nothing will be enough until everyone who is not a Zionist is dead, because everyone is an enemy! :music06:

Israel needs ground troops as well.
Sure it does. That is how it kills 10 Palestinians terrorists for every one Israeli civilian casualty.

Or did you concede that point when you went off the rails and started regurgitating far-left, liberal Daily Kos propaganda?
I'm not a liberal. Now who is name calling beeotch?
 
Haha - and here we have full cognitive dissonance. Here's the first statement:

Israel has nukes. No one will touch her. Having 1,000 or 10,000 ground troops is irrelevant.

And the next.

Nukes are never enough when you are out starting fights with everyone around you, and refuse to negotiate for peace. Yes, then nukes are not enough.

Impressive - it only took you about four posts to contradict yourself and look like a total fool.
 
hahah PWNED!

Are you a moron? There's no possible permutation of what he said that could be viewed as sarcasm. He just got shit on, so he feebly pretends he was being 'sarcastic'. I go out to eat and come back to find you jerking him off. Something tells me you share his far-left ideology.
 
If I understand it correctly, it would be exactly what Israel does - which in my opinion - is a good thing. In Israel I believe at 18 you enter and you're done at like 22ish? I'm not positive on the numbers.

Ya, something like that. I think it's only like 2 yrs or something for females though.
 
PS> I really don't want to respark the Israel debate, but there are two sides to that story...each as stubborn as the other. Sure there are Israeli's entrenched in their political & religious ideologies...but the same is true on the other side of the fence. I've spent a considerable amount of time in Israel on various business trips and have seen a lot of this shit first hand. A friend of mine owns a bar in Tel Aviv that was bombed by a suicide bomber in 2000. A little more real when you spend some time on the ground over there.
 
I never wanted to get into the Israel debate. It's a blackhole and a conversation killer.

The bottom line is, if your intention is peace, you do not need a big army. When most of your militarism occurs OUTSIDE your borders, you are not a victim, or practicing self defense.

A draft just means that a government has selected force as it's first option, not diplomacy, trade or any other tactic.

As the saying goes, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
 
Call me a cynic, but I think if push comes to shove, disenfranchised folks tend to collaborate with foreign liberators.

We have a lot of disenfranchised folks running around.

It is slavery from the start. If a country was under threat, the people would volunteer to defend their property and families. These initiatives are aimed at making sure the only option for dispute resolution is war.

The message of a draft is, you do not own yourself. Your country owns you. The public owns you. The politicians decide how your life will be spent.

You know, except McCain, Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter, none of the nominees for President had served. Giuliani and Romney were loudmouths for the war, and they both got draft deferments iirc. They stayed home while other men their age died. Obama has never served, Bush's service was debunked.

But these old guys are always very anxious to funnel the young, the future, straight into the killing fields. In tribal societies, this is done so that no one can compete with the elderly rulers. Unions do this by suppressing entry level wages but propping up 55 year olds who don't know how to use a computer and have union seniority.

The United States can annihilate the world 100+ times over in nuclear holocaust. If it ever got serious (war that is), it won't matter if someone has 10 troops or 10 million.
 
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