Obama's civilian national security force
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Travel for free? If they're going to create a civilian defense force, then people should serve where they live. Not get deployed in foreign countries. Wait! Isn't that what the national guard was supposed to be? State defense forces? Not a national army used to help fight on foreign soil.
Seems pretty simple to me. If we want to bolster defense on the home front, recall all National Guard deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Station them in their home states, and relinquish control back to state governments. Then get the federal government the fuck out of their hair.
Seems pretty simple to me. If we want to bolster defense on the home front, recall all National Guard deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Station them in their home states, and relinquish control back to state governments. Then get the federal government the fuck out of their hair.
Your completely right but they are disbanding the national guard and rolling them into NORTHCOM (United States Northern Command) which then they can use for whatever they see fit.
@Rage a quote from your own citation says "AmeriCorps ... Volunteers nationwide have provided service to needy communities by tutoring children, feeding the homeless, caring for the elderly and rebuilding areas struck by disaster. ...
Obama ... also said the nation's future and safety depends on more than just additional soldiers."It also depends on the teacher in East L.A., or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia,"
I agree that it's still really fucked up, but the article is not really about MILITARY service. No coffins required - at least not immediately. Just a loss of freedom for an unknown number of years. Politicians = Asshats.
Obama ... also said the nation's future and safety depends on more than just additional soldiers."It also depends on the teacher in East L.A., or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia,"
I agree that it's still really fucked up, but the article is not really about MILITARY service. No coffins required - at least not immediately. Just a loss of freedom for an unknown number of years. Politicians = Asshats.
I didn't reference an article on that, that I can find, but I have herd that quote before.
I think you have to look past the political spin on it. It's part of selling you on it. "Oh its not so bad, we'll take care of the poor, rebuild structure.... (under his breath)and kill you!"
They really try and play to your sympathetic side. Your in marketing you should see though the ploy.
I can not see how you can not say MILITARY, when clearly Obama says it'll be just as large and just as well funded as the military. Ok, maybe not MILITARY but defiantly a police force that could be used AS a MILITARY. If you have a "security" force that large, chances are it's going to be used for more than security. Either that or your going to have a totalistic police state. Say goodbye to the rest of your liberties.
The worst part is because it will be required of you to do, that will mind fuck you too. You can't hate the guy for doing what the government is ordering him to do right? It's like being drafted... but everyone. It will actually become a social norm, and you'd not think any the wiser whith in a few years of it being implemented.
They used to call it slavery. Compulsory service that is.
In the old days, when you were forced (compulsory) to serve that was slavery.
Just a new spin on the same things governments have done to people for centuries. Try to take away their freedoms and independence in the name of safety and security.
The question has always been, what is the point of being safe, if you are a slave? And how safe will those young men and women be when they are deployed against their parents and neighbors, or some foreign military population? Is a bullet in the head really safety?
I guess people that are comparing us to Israel forgot the little fact that Israel is surrounded on all sides by enemy nations who wish to destroy them. That, and the fact that they need every available man.
If you honestly think this 'civilian national security force' isn't shady, you're smokin something ain't legal.
Our current military costs about $800 billion dollars. A civilian security force equal to that would be absolutely massive, and serve no discernible purpose.
Obama is building his own private army. Google 'Hitler Youth' or the 'Brownshirts' and you'll understand what he wants to do.
Also, Google 'Jose the Caller' who talks explicitly about this plan and describes how organizations are already in place, waiting for the moment when Obama legislatively brings them together to form his own private security force. Once he has that, he can do whatever he wants. Rig elections, declare himself king, etc.. It's over at that point.
If you honestly think this 'civilian national security force' isn't shady, you're smokin something ain't legal.
Our current military costs about $800 billion dollars. A civilian security force equal to that would be absolutely massive, and serve no discernible purpose.
Obama is building his own private army. Google 'Hitler Youth' or the 'Brownshirts' and you'll understand what he wants to do.
Also, Google 'Jose the Caller' who talks explicitly about this plan and describes how organizations are already in place, waiting for the moment when Obama legislatively brings them together to form his own private security force. Once he has that, he can do whatever he wants. Rig elections, declare himself king, etc.. It's over at that point.
I think that is the rationale behind why the US has military bases in 140 countries, and has been the national defense force in Germany, Japan and Korea for 50 years.
Israel has nukes. No one will touch her. Having 1,000 or 10,000 ground troops is irrelevant.
Peace is always cheaper than war. But war is much more profitable because you can steal and kill to get ahead.
It is slavery from the start. If a country was under threat, the people would volunteer to defend their property and families. These initiatives are aimed at making sure the only option for dispute resolution is war.
The message of a draft is, you do not own yourself. Your country owns you. The public owns you. The politicians decide how your life will be spent.
You know, except McCain, Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter, none of the nominees for President had served. Giuliani and Romney were loudmouths for the war, and they both got draft deferments iirc. They stayed home while other men their age died. Obama has never served, Bush's service was debunked.
But these old guys are always very anxious to funnel the young, the future, straight into the killing fields. In tribal societies, this is done so that no one can compete with the elderly rulers. Unions do this by suppressing entry level wages but propping up 55 year olds who don't know how to use a computer and have union seniority.
The United States can annihilate the world 100+ times over in nuclear holocaust. If it ever got serious (war that is), it won't matter if someone has 10 troops or 10 million.
Maybe you're unaware of this, but rockets are constantly raining down on Israeli towns. Do they nuke those behind the attacks? No. Being a nuclear power is an advantage yes, but it is not a final solution. Israel needs every available person to man its army in case they have another war like the Hezbollah one where ground troops were used.
As for the rest of your statement, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's near incoherent.
I'm aware of that. I am not interested in Israeli victimology. That is thread jacking. Fuck off.
You made the incomprehensible statement that Israel's armed forces made no difference merely because it possessed nuclear bombs. I pointed out the foolishness in that assertion by showing how Israel's enemies continue to strike without fear or nuclear retaliation.
This shows how essential ground troops are to any nation invested in its own survival. The reason Israel is being discussed is because some compared America to Israel in terms of mandatory military service. I pointed out how fallacious this comparison is viewed in the light of Israel's nearby surrounding enemies, all in neighboring countries directly on Israel's borders.
If you can't even articulate a coherent argument, don't bother commenting on a thread. If the best you can do when challenged on your sloppy thinking is wail about some mythical 'thread hijacking' when I am totally on topic, perhaps its best if you do not participate in the discussion at all.
EDIT : I suppose I was correct. You cannot form an intelligent response, so instead you neg rep me with a 'fuck off' statement. I guess it's true what they say. Namecalling and insults are indeed the refuge of the intellectually bankrupt man. Truly pathetic and cowardly.
Israel's enemies have been mass slaughtered by Israelis in any open conflict. The reason why Israel is surrounded by enemies, is because it stole land, then it forces the Palestinians to live in concentration camp conditions, and it uses the US as a blunt instrument of belligerence against it's neighbors.
If Israel negotiated for peace, instead of forcing it's sons and daughters to die for old men and their fascist ideologies, if it stopped stealing land in the West bank, if it opened up the world for Palestinians, if it stopped defying UN resolutions, then maybe it wouldn't have so many enemies.
I'm not interested in the victimization of Israel, when it is the most aggressive force in the region, and does everything it can, to isolate and insulate itself from the rest of the world.
Israel slaughtered more people in the first two days of the recent conflict, than 8 years of missiles killed in Israel. Most of those pathetic rockets do not even hit hit people, let alone cause casualties. On average, it takes around 10 Palestinian "terists" to kill one Israeli. Is that the great threat? Because Israel never kills innocent people, right?
You're a kook and a fanatic, which is fine. But you're laying down a pile of shit, no rational, educated intelligent person can believe, and I was trying to avoid calling you a liar but you insist.
If Israel wanted to protect it's survival, it would stay in it's own borders, instead of constantly pushing out on the Arab world, or trying to get the US to attack Iran. The biggest deterrent to peace in Israel, is hard line policy.
When Israel bombed Iraq or Syria, it was"self defense". If Iraq or Syria had bombed Israel, they would have declared world war. Israel by virtue of it's nukes and control of the US government, is the most belligerent government today.
I'm gunna pretend you didn't write this.
I'm not the one who condones murder of civilians. So don't tell me I am intellectually bankrupt. You have blood on your hands because you endorse violence. You call mass murder self-defense.
There, you got to play victim, get your ass kicked, and make Israel the focal point of the argument. Happy?
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