Obama and Jonathan Gruber On Healthcare

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The gist:

Obama has praised Gruber on a number of occasions with respect to his ideas on how to promote universal healthcare. An example:


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yoHcOhF0U"]Obama: I Have Stolen Ideas from Jon Gruber Liberally - YouTube[/ame]


Gruber recently spoke on his ideas (lol):


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI"]GRUBER: "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage." - YouTube[/ame]



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUOyqw5HhRI"]GRUBER: "American voters are too stupid to understand the difference" - YouTube[/ame]



So, do you still vote?



And here's something completely unrelated and far more interesting:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZOP9kXEHAg[/ame]
 
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnkOXwSNqoc&list=PL9hNbo_Ztnr9kyeIy53_uudXtRPTbOjAw"]Ep 17: Obamarecare Creator Admits To Lying To Stupid Voters To Win Their Support - YouTube[/ame]
 
The best part is how Obama is saying he barley knows the guy and was only a small part of ObAmacare. Guy is so sleezy. Obama couldn't tell the truth if he tried.
 
dunno about the rest of you boys, but I was told by ehealthinsurance a few months ago when i tried to change my healthcare plan that, as a self-employed person:

* i am part of obamacare whether i like it or not -- it is mandatory except for pre-existing corporate coverage plans
* i was not allowed to change healthcare plans/providers midyear without a qualifying reason they found acceptable
* the administration of the program is already such a bumblefuck that advertised (politicized) benefits are a joke until 2016 or later.
* my carrier has the autonomy to change my rate at will and there isn't jackshit i can do about it until the next annual "enrollment period".
* coverage rates are really no better than they were before; you get forced into 2x-3x deductibles and they count on you being too dumb to understand the difference.

tl;dr - feels like a communist breadline.

welcome to the new america, gents... where more and more of your life is run by people who can't profitably run the mail.
 
bodiddley said:
This shit's well over a week old. When does STS have its funeral?
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today missouri declared a pre-emptive state of emergency over shit that went down on august 15th, and you're chastising us for reacting to 8-day-old news?
 
Jake: Just wanted you to know I liked your post for the Iron Maiden part. The rest of it was fucked and totally immaterial to my interests.

Fuck Obama & Gruber right in their lying, shit-stained, herpes encrusted cocksuckers.

Have a terrific day!
 
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galacon said:
Jake: Just wanted you to know I liked your post for the Iron Maiden part. The rest of it was fucked and totally immaterial to my interests.

Fuck Obama & Gruber right in their lying, shit-stained, herpes encrusted cocksuckers.

Have a terrific day!
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i'm guessing jake would agree with you & i think the vids were posted to support that. i'm not 100% on that, maybe 90%. let's call it likely.

moving on, i'm interested in your pre-occupation with encrustation. you mention it a lot. in fact, most of your posts mention herpes sores in one way, shape or form. psychologists have a term for that -- its called "people with herpes". that may also explain why you're so angry, since people on wickedfire with herpes are often totally angry.

drink lots of water, target people for banning, and meditate. herpes hates that shit.
 
Consider a healthcare sharing plan. Most are Christian-based but one isn't:

Liberty HealthShare

This is:

Christian Healthcare Ministries

They aren't insurance. Instead, everyone shares the bills. It's much cheaper than insurance and bills really do get paid. There are half a dozen such plans around. All are exempt from Obamacare and you don't incur a fine if you join one. Most have been around for more than 20 years. Also, you can go any doctor you want.

More info:

Media catching on to growth and popularity of sharing ministries |



drave said:
dunno about the rest of you boys, but I was told by ehealthinsurance a few months ago when i tried to change my healthcare plan that, as a self-employed person:

* i am part of obamacare whether i like it or not -- it is mandatory except for pre-existing corporate coverage plans
* i was not allowed to change healthcare plans/providers midyear without a qualifying reason they found acceptable
* the administration of the program is already such a bumblefuck that advertised (politicized) benefits are a joke until 2016 or later.
* my carrier has the autonomy to change my rate at will and there isn't jackshit i can do about it until the next annual "enrollment period".
* coverage rates are really no better than they were before; you get forced into 2x-3x deductibles and they count on you being too dumb to understand the difference.

tl;dr - feels like a communist breadline.

welcome to the new america, gents... where more and more of your life is run by people who can't profitably run the mail.
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Cheap insurance plans aren't worth shit when you try to use them after paying into them for years unknowingly. I had a shitty one through my employer and the insurance refused to fill my prescription the one time I got it, and sent me a packet to have a doctor fill out which they would review. Basically do all this work, take up the doctors time filling out paperwork, and if you still want the shit in a couple weeks, they might pay for it.

Now I've been on my sugar momma's corporate health plan for a few years and I still get sucked dry by the medical system. 2 people both 30 years old is $8800/year in premiums and I still have to pay $350 for an mri/ct/xrays, $200 per visit to neurologist/specialist until $2k limit, then still $50 each for non generic med. Shit adds up.
 
charlesmartel said:
I'll just leave this here:

100 Years of US Medical Fascism - Mises Daily
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icestationzebra said:
This is the 21st century, get universal health care like everybody else already ya schmucks.
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Because when it's failed everywhere else on the planet it's got to work in America.

But feel free to response with government funded statistics that prove government run health care is more efficient, better managed and cheaper than private.
 
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