My Dispute With Hydra Network - Resolved

invinceable said:
Same exact thing happened here. I was told I would be contacted in 24 hours and never was again. Oh well, I just took the traffic to a competitor. You would think these networks would WANT our business, it appears as if Hydra is actually discouraging us indirectly.
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Sorry we didn't get back to you. As bad as things may seem here in WF, we are still getting tons of affiliate applications and are working on improving our processes and hiring more staff to keep up.
 


masonwiley said:
Sorry we didn't get back to you. As bad as things may seem here in WF, we are still getting tons of affiliate applications and are working on improving our processes and hiring more staff to keep up.
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You know it would not be a bad idea to let some people on WF in on the hiring. I think a couple people would not mind working for a network. Even Hydra :P,
 
So you don't get your money back? What is Hydra?

Anyway, you got all the leads and they get kicks out AFTER you earn $25k. Seems like what's happening to me through parkingpanel.

If things go wrong, they should have told you early before you earn $25k.
 
guerilla said:
Hydra is a joke. Instead of being proactive and transparent, even the OPs roll over post makes them look bad. Why anyone would work with a firm that didn't qualify this guy's traffic, and then plays all of these shadow games is beyond me.

They act in a manner that seems disreputable and untrustworthy.
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Even if you're wrong, if you do it in good faith, they should at least tell you before you have $25k receivable.

And thinking about it. I've heard the OP (what is OP, thread starter?) make $75k in 2 months out of Hydra already.
 
...there are two kinds of affiliates: professionals and amateurs.

Dealing with amateurs is risky for a network because

a) they provide relatively small added value
b) they have the potential to start piling-on witch-hunts based on speculation and/or incomplete and/or incorrect information

While everyone may think that it is Hydra that ends up with the short end of the stick, the reality is that the networks and the advertisers control the money and who they choose to work with. An affiliate doesn't have a business if they have no one who will take their traffic.

So, what threads like "Hydra screwed me out of $25k" really do, contrary to popular belief, is make it more difficult for newbie and 'small' affiliates to do business since networks will tighten-up their approval process to avoid taking on potential liabilities.

Professional affiliates will continue to make rational business decisions based on facts and numbers and work with the networks that earn them the highest EPCs, while the amateurs will run around making posts on wickedfire and make irrational, emotion-driven decisions.

Long story short - run your business professionally and spend less time in the sand box and you will be more successful.
 
Interesting thread - the only problem is there is too much speculation. The only people that know what truly happened are BTP32 and Hydra.

It sounds like everything has been resolved.
 
Brendan over at Motive is a stand-up kind of guy, and the sort of person you want to do business with.



Sonny Forelli said:
you know what I find comical about this whole thing?

This cryptic "I just got served w/ a suit" post does nothing to build confidence in my eyes as an affiliate, in fact quite the opposite.

It really doesn't take much to regain trust, many of us here are very fortunate to not swing pick axes for a living and thus a few dollars here and there or a few fuckups when dealing with technology are bound to happen.

I'll single out Motive for the classic way to unfuck a situation. The CEO jumps on and says the following (multiple times).

1) we really fucked up
2) we, but more important I personally, am sorry that it happened
3) it's unacceptable, you all have the right to be upset, I would to
4) we are addressing internally to ensure this will never happen again.

holy shit! A real fucking apology? Like the kind you'd get from a friend in real life? I don't work w/ Motive but let me tell you that stand up, personal instead of distant legalese / prepared statement bullshit goes real far in my book.
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affiliateblah said:
I know this to be a fact. Hydra knows about their fraudulent affiliates and allows them to switch accounts. Their shit traffic blends with good traffic and advertisers are on the hook for so-so leads. Hydra also scrubs the hell out of their fraudulent affiliates, with the affiliates knowing this. They will take anything, as they are booted or not allowed in most networks, so 10-20% of crap leads, is better than nothing.These are the chinese affiliates and the Fremont/Hayward affiliates using URL's like "ratedetectived.com", nwkads.com, bestdebtconsolidationhelp.com. With Hydra's full knowledge and cooperation, they stay under the radar by masking their near 100% conversion rate with outside clicks from other "partner" URLs. So Hydra gets paid the full amount from the advertiser, scrubs the fraudulent affiliates and makes a very tidy profit. This has been their model from the start and I personally know this, as I was around near the start and know the CEO well.

The relevance to this thread is that by using this strategy, they also run the risk of not getting paid at all by their advertisers that figure this out. The end result is that legitimate affiliates are bound to their terms that if they don't get paid, nor do their affiliates. I STRONGLY suggest a mass exodus from Hydra as they are the worst, most shady, greediest affiliate network out there and it all comes from the top, Mr. Zac Brandenberg. He will make his living by screwing people. Some people say he has a brilliant business mind, I say he is a smart criminal with absolutely no regard for anyone or anything but his bank account. Every penny he has earned has been at the expense of others and he will never change. Stay away.
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any comments on this?
 
I don't think Hydra or any other network is obligated to publicly disclose their private business matters...in fact, it's a bad idea. It seems like a lot of you are dissing them because they didn't give you a play-by-play here on the forums regarding a matter between them and one of their affiliates...but w/e. They seem to have worked it out. Someone usually gets screwed...that's why if I ran a network I'd make sure my sexy booth girls doubled as escorts. :338:
 
Sonny Forelli said:
you know what I find comical about this whole thing?

This cryptic "I just got served w/ a suit" post does nothing to build confidence in my eyes as an affiliate, in fact quite the opposite.

It really doesn't take much to regain trust, many of us here are very fortunate to not swing pick axes for a living and thus a few dollars here and there or a few fuckups when dealing with technology are bound to happen.

I'll single out Motive for the classic way to unfuck a situation. The CEO jumps on and says the following (multiple times).

1) we really fucked up
2) we, but more important I personally, am sorry that it happened
3) it's unacceptable, you all have the right to be upset, I would to
4) we are addressing internally to ensure this will never happen again.

holy shit! A real fucking apology? Like the kind you'd get from a friend in real life? I don't work w/ Motive but let me tell you that stand up, personal instead of distant legalese / prepared statement bullshit goes real far in my book.
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Thanks for the kind words :) Yeah shit happens, shit you don't want and shit you don't plan on but still it happens. What is important to Motive is that we are up front and take responsibility for the good and bad. I wish business had no bumps and bruises but truth be told it never is that easy so you have to learn to roll with it and when you do you better be up front.

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motivebrendan said:
Thanks What is important to Motive is that we are up front and take responsibility for the good and bad. I wish business had no bumps and bruises but truth be told it never is that easy so you have to learn to roll with it and when you do you better be up front.
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If you guys pay like you respond to threads (a month late and a dollar short), I better get me some popcorn.
 
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