Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin

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poopie said:
My last on this thread, but just so the detectives on the forum understand (wtf cares?) why I am here.

The tool came to ET as well with the 10-100K challenge. I have posted there for 12 years. The guy was posting images of his wrecked R8 which brought me to his instagram and youtube.

He mentioned a TSLA condor (option combo) in one of his vids. It was a wide condor with the wings at 2.5 (i.e., 180/182.5 x 210/212.5). Nobody would do this on the buy-side (initiating position), as you can replicate the thing with the 10-wide (170/80 x 210/20) at 1/3 of the commission paid. The payoff would be virtually identical but run $300 in comms instead of a grand. The convexity on PNL is the same; analogous to replicating a digital option (OTC binary) with a vertical spread (listed vanilla option).

So I knew the roll didn't come from trading. Nobody pisses $150K on cars with a $300K-500K bankroll. It was either OPM scammed or stolen.

He was posting to the ET thread and when pressed he offered to post his tax-returns to prove his stake. I wanted him to provide it so I took the bet.

I posted my last three year's AGI from my 1040s as well as two equity runs from my job, on the thread, with the front page from the local paper. I redacted the firm-name, but my name appeared in the run. Obviously he balked and had the thread closed.

Of course I am gloating, but I have not been ambiguous in my posts on the subject.
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poopie said:
My last on this thread, but just so the detectives on the forum understand (wtf cares?) why I am here.

The tool came to ET as well with the 10-100K challenge. I have posted there for 12 years. The guy was posting images of his wrecked R8 which brought me to his instagram and youtube.

He mentioned a TSLA condor (option combo) in one of his vids. It was a wide condor with the wings at 2.5 (i.e., 180/182.5 x 210/212.5). Nobody would do this on the buy-side (initiating position), as you can replicate the thing with the 10-wide (170/80 x 210/20) at 1/3 of the commission paid. The payoff would be virtually identical but run $300 in comms instead of a grand. The convexity on PNL is the same; analogous to replicating a digital option (OTC binary) with a vertical spread (listed vanilla option).

So I knew the roll didn't come from trading. Nobody pisses $150K on cars with a $300K-500K bankroll. It was either OPM scammed or stolen.

He was on ET with a similar thread and when pressed he offered to post his tax-returns to prove his stake. I wanted him to provide it so I took the bet.

I posted my last three year's AGI from my 1040s as well as two equity runs from my job, on the thread, with the front page from the local paper. I redacted the firm-name, but my name appeared in the run. Obviously he balked and had the thread closed.

Of course I am gloating, but I have not been ambiguous in my posts on the subject.
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For what it's worth I enjoyed your posts on that thread on ET. I knew mgrunin was narcissistic and was full of shit about his "trading", although I must admit this is even more than I was expecting.

The red flags were pretty apparent - when you see someone posting pictures of themselves in rented exotic cars, or when it seems like they are spending as much time maintaining an image as they are running their business, it is probably a good sign that they are full of shit.
 
jriddick said:
A stupid person wouldn't have been able to pull something like that off. It's a brand of brazen recklessness and believing you won't get caught, which is more a form of blindness. Perhaps he was blinded by the money, or the fame, or the thirst for the admiration of others. We'll probably never know.

McGrunin will pay the price for the actions he committed, and it may turn out to be a very steep price indeed.

But he was a friend to WF, and WF was a friend to him, yet now the hyenas pounce, and the vultures gather, and those who called themselves his friends turn on him and gleefully savor his downfall.

The air of manic delight in the misfortune of another human being that has been repeatedly exhibited throughout this thread is quite frankly disgusting. What does that say about all of you? As you all judge McGrunin's character, what does that say about you as human beings?
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Sums up this thread perfectly, well said.
 
poopie said:
My last on this thread, but just so the detectives on the forum understand (wtf cares?) why I am here.

The tool came to ET as well with the 10-100K challenge. I have posted there for 12 years. The guy was posting images of his wrecked R8 which brought me to his instagram and youtube.

He mentioned a TSLA condor (option combo) in one of his vids. It was a wide condor with the wings at 2.5 (i.e., 180/182.5 x 210/212.5). Nobody would do this on the buy-side (initiating position), as you can replicate the thing with the 10-wide (170/80 x 210/20) at 1/3 of the commission paid. The payoff would be virtually identical but run $300 in comms instead of a grand. The convexity on PNL is the same; analogous to replicating a digital option (OTC binary) with a vertical spread (listed vanilla option).

So I knew the roll didn't come from trading. Nobody pisses $150K on cars with a $300K-500K bankroll. It was either OPM scammed or stolen.

He was posting to the ET thread and when pressed he offered to post his tax-returns to prove his stake. I wanted him to bury himself with the info, so I took the bet.

I posted my last three year's AGI from my 1040s as well as two equity runs from my job, on the thread, with the front page from the local paper. I redacted the firm-name, but my name appeared in the run. Obviously he balked and had the thread closed.

Of course I am gloating, but I have not been ambiguous in my posts on the subject.
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Poopie isn't the mgrunin we deserve but the mgrunin we need.
 
g1c9 said:
Thank you.

Pretty much everyone here is a cunt. Scamming a million old ladies out of $10 is just as morally reprehensible, if not more so (but their relative fuckedupedness is unimportant), then scamming a single wealthy entity out of the sum. Log into any affiliate network and 90% of the offers are trash built on deception or lies or fraud/rebilling or false promises.

These are the most common delusions of our industry:

1. The Rationalizer -- "I'm just doing it to build up seed capital" and "I'm just doing it because I'm broke" and "It's not that big a deal -- it's not like I'm arms trafficking"

2. The Toddler -- You're an idiot who thinks that things are morally right or wrong because they are legal or illegal respectively, or socially accepted or not accepted.

3. The Monkey -- It is less morally wrong to fuck over people who are not similar to me than it is to fuck over people who are more similar to me because my brain evolved to live in a tribe of a certain size and to trust those who are similar to myself and to fear outsiders and I am incapable of personally evolving past that.

4. The Nihilist -- There is no proof that any of you actually exist outside of my head. Life as we know it may simply be a figment of my imagination, 'we' may really just be my oh-so-very alone self, and perhaps none of this is real. So get fucked, mate

5. Mr. Monopoly Man -- You say things like, "It's just business. Business is cutthroat." I remember once reading the quote of a politician who said something like, "I refuse to believe that the goal of humanity is to maximize gross domestic product." Think about it. Your life is probably $mea,nin,gle.ss

6. The Nuremberg Defense -- "I'm just driving the traffic, the offer is up to the advertiser." or alternatively, "I just work here on the media buying team."

7. The Capitalist -- "If you want to stay competitive, you've got to ... (do something unethical) ... otherwise people who do the bad thing are just going to be able to pay more for the same traffic..."

8. The Bill Gates -- This is when you actually fool yourself into thinking that, once you've made enough* money, you will make up for your sins with your good deeds and God** will change his mind and let you into heaven. (* Enough = just a little bit more, ** God does not exist)

9. The Compensator -- You secretly feel like shit for rebilling people so you become a vegetarian and give money to homeless people. People call you "generous." The homeless people are not fooled and secretly they suspect that you are usually a piece of shit.

10. The Soprano -- "I do it to provide a better life for my family." This overlaps with The Monkey.

11. The Lawyer -- "Oh no, your Honor, I don't owe those people any money. My company owes those people money. I closed my company."

12. The Office Space -- This is when you think it's okay to screw over a corporation or entity because they are so large they lose their humanity and, understandably, your brain can't find any relevant empathy. This is sort of a subtype of The Monkey. It's like when you try to imagine the space a billion dollars in pennies would fill. You know it's a lot, but on some level it's just not possible to give a shit if Facebook loses $350k.

Whatever your personal favorite explanation for your diagnosably antisocial behavior, you sound like a child to those of us who are not living a lie. The ignorant may be better people than the arrogant but nearly none of those who claim ignorance through the above delusions are truly ignorant. You just sound like the dumb kid who thinks everyone around them is too stupid to figure out what he's doing.

Those who have accepted who they have become -- "I know that what I'm doing is not right but it allows me to live the lifestyle I want and I choose that over living a more moral life." -- are truly Gods among cunts.
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That was brilliant.
 
poopie said:
My last on this thread, but just so the detectives on the forum understand (wtf cares?) why I am here.

The tool came to ET as well with the 10-100K challenge. I have posted there for 12 years. The guy was posting images of his wrecked R8 which brought me to his instagram and youtube.

He mentioned a TSLA condor (option combo) in one of his vids. It was a wide condor with the wings at 2.5 (i.e., 180/182.5 x 210/212.5). Nobody would do this on the buy-side (initiating position), as you can replicate the thing with the 10-wide (170/80 x 210/20) at 1/3 of the commission paid. The payoff would be virtually identical but run $300 in comms instead of a grand. The convexity on PNL is the same; analogous to replicating a digital option (OTC binary) with a vertical spread (listed vanilla option).

So I knew the roll didn't come from trading. Nobody pisses $150K on cars with a $300K-500K bankroll. It was either OPM scammed or stolen.

He was posting to the ET thread and when pressed he offered to post his tax-returns to prove his stake. I wanted him to bury himself with the info, so I took the bet.

I posted my last three year's AGI from my 1040s as well as two equity runs from my job, on the thread, with the front page from the local paper. I redacted the firm-name, but my name appeared in the run. Obviously he balked and had the thread closed.

Of course I am gloating, but I have not been ambiguous in my posts on the subject.
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I read the thread on ET, which was quite comical - From $10,000 to $100,000 in 6 months. - Elite Trader

Props
 
Pulled me back in. I'll stick around and lurk, sure. I like to talk shop, so anyone can PM me. I am mostly OTC delimited stuff (1st and 2nd gen exotic options; touches, DNTs) and analogs (lookbacks) but I trade listed, exhange-traded options as well.

I'll admit I know nothing about IM stuff.
 
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Neithier did mgrunin.
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nickster said:
Who the fuck is this sick fuck snitch???
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LOL - it was shared with me so it has made its rounds - and i'm someone who doesn't need to break TOS to make money - SORRY BRO'S - I'm sure someone will tell you who i am. Unfortunately what will be done? I don't go to trade shows and I do not run affiliate offers. I also do not live in my parents basement... You wouldn't get passed my doorman... #namaste #staycloaking #mastermarketersripsamedrozpage #ellenssecret


if you want to live in the spotlight... live in the spotlight
 
jsphfcll said:
LOL - it was shared with me so it has made its rounds - and i'm someone who doesn't need to break TOS to make money - SORRY BRO'S - I'm sure someone will tell you who i am. Unfortunately what will be done? I don't go to trade shows and I do not run affiliate offers. I also do not live in my parents basement... You wouldn't get passed my doorman... #namaste #staycloaking #mastermarketersripsamedrozpage #ellenssecret
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Good luck cocksucker ;)
 
jsphfcll said:
LOL - it was shared with me so it has made its rounds - and i'm someone who doesn't need to break TOS to make money - SORRY BRO'S - I'm sure someone will tell you who i am. Unfortunately what will be done? I don't go to trade shows and I do not run affiliate offers. I also do not live in my parents basement... You wouldn't get passed my doorman... #namaste #staycloaking #mastermarketersripsamedrozpage #ellenssecret


if you want to live in the spotlight... live in the spotlight
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wait hold on I want to laugh. I like to laugh too. Maybe I missed it somewhere in this 10 page thread so far, can you explain whats going on with nickster? I can't keep up with all the lulz!
 
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