Making money with Google Adsense

Great site. I'm trying the same thing in EDU (long term content site, forum etc) but I still run bullshit affiliate offers too because the payout is quicker and it gives me a bankroll to be able to invest in long term strategies. At the end of the day though, I agree that sites like yours will be bringing in solid, stable money long after these teeth/diet/mmo/grant type offers are gone. Besides, I actually prefer working on content and SEO over PPC and media buys and would love to be able to just do that if I can ever get my content sites to really stick. Good shit.
 


I am not afraid of sharing my ideas in the open, because I have learned that most are not willing to do the long term things I do. But if I can open some people's minds to new ideas, then I have done my job with this thread.

To be honest, that is what made me sucessful. Giving my ideas and info away for free. Not too many people do that, but they should. I am sure it would pay off long term.

I want to build a career that I can retire on and not just a website.
We're not too far apart on this. Everyone who knows me personally knows I will tell them almost anything I know, and not tell things that are shared with me in confidence. I just don't like trying to enlighten people where the trolls live, just like I wouldn't build a daycare in a warzone. STS is mental retardation on steroids.

I agree with you on sharing ideas tho. The world is a better place if everyone is working productively, efficiently and looking out for one another. And I want to live in a world that is getting better all the time.

Great site. I'm trying the same thing in EDU (long term content site, forum etc) but I still run bullshit affiliate offers too because the payout is quicker and it gives me a bankroll to be able to invest in long term strategies. At the end of the day though, I agree that sites like yours will be bringing in solid, stable money long after these teeth/diet/mmo/grant type offers are gone. Besides, I actually prefer working on content and SEO over PPC and media buys and would love to be able to just do that if I can ever get my content sites to really stick. Good shit.
This has been a switch I have seen with a lot of people here. I too have stopped chasing the fast daily cash a bit, and started thinking about what I want to own/promote 3 and 5 years from now. If I don't do the work now, 3 years from now, I will be stuck on the same hamster wheel of the day-to-day.

There are thousands of great niches, and there are tons of opportunities. Who is ready to roll up their sleeves and do the work? :)
 
Unarmed and gueriila, great insight from two experienced internet marketers. This is the kind of discussion and quality people that I want to share and grow with. Thanks for your input here.

Guerilla, that was comedy on building the day care in the ghetto and I hear you 100%. But I am like the Johnny Cash of the internet or Jesus, I am here ministering to the down trodden, beaten down and trolls. This is who needs it most and who will appreciate free information from people who are successful. Hence, they become friends or fans for life.

I think affiliate marketing is a necessity for internet marketers, but it just wasnt stable for me. You both are testament to that fact. Yes, we have to do it to make ends meet, but in the end, the stable website with a "non-trendy" theme or focus will make it.

It's not as if I love loans and foreclosures, but I love helping people who are struggling and getting a genuine thank you from appreciative people is worth its weight in gold. I feel it is all about good energy and KARMA in life. The more you put out there, the more good comes back to you. Being selfish about making money never gets you anywhere or never lasts long term.


I love that, 'Who's ready to roll up their sleeves and get to work!" That is really what it comes down to.
 
The question is, why do people make great threads in Shooting the Shit, where most of the forum losers and trolls hang out?

If this thread was in a non-indexed area like the aff or traffic forums, some of us might contribute. But I don't check STS as much as I check the business forums, and I don't like to talk about ideas and strategy out in the open.

Some food for thought. Stuff like this should be moved, and that also keeps the wannabe baller fanboys away. I do not have enough neg rep for the crap that comes out of STS these days.

I agree. The problem is there's not really a general web business forum. Stuff like this isn't really affiliate marketing and it's not really any of the other stuff there's a dedicated forum for.
 
Hey Moe, for those of us new to SEO, would you suggest outsourcing from the beginning or moving to outsourcing as the site begins to grow and becomes too much for one person to handle?
 
Google. I closed my Adsense account with them in June of last year and they never sent me my last check. Let me tell you, if something goes wrong, your chances of actually getting a response from them is nearly 0%.

Same reason I won't use Google Checkout. Until they get some kind of real customer service, I wouldn't trust them with anything important.
 
I can't believe you own loansafe that's funny, I was a mortgage broker for 10 years before getting into the affiliate game. Still do loans here and there passively. That's pretty awesome a lot of guys speak about your site in the industry.
 
OK - BYA - you have gotten me to take my most popular blog, and refit it with a pro theme . Tomorrow I'm going to invest in a good forum system - instead of the free wp plugin I was using.

It is time for me to mature online.

I forgive you for siding with Shawn on the numbskull/numskull thing.
 
I would rather work on other sites and building then going through all that. In addition, I have done that and the pain is not worth the money or instability.



Maybe if I had a low paying niche, I would do affiliate stuff or my own direct ad sales. I can sell and can round up sales when needed be. But I don't like being a salesman 24?7. I like being a creator and working on future projects as opposed to chasing affiliate offers or checks. In addition, I wouldn't start a website in a low paying niche with the intention of working with Google.



Affiliates are just online salesman for companies who go through other companies to get those products to sell and then they have to rely on the affiliate company to track and not burn them on sales. The facts are that they burn all affiliates daily and especially now in this economy. If I was going to be an affiliate, I would go direct to companies and pick up my checks direct with no middle men or women with their hands in my pot. Yes, Google is in my pot, but they are doing their job damn well at being my salesman so there is no need to divorce when the marriage is great.

Running affiliate ads is hardly more time consuming or complicated than running adsense. "Going through all that" is about as simple as using a line of code instead of or addition to adsense.

I look at doing affiliate sales as being a Lead generator more than a salesman. I have sites where all I do is send customers to someone else, where they either just buy on their own or are closed by professional sales people. I make sites. i don't sell shit. I dont chase affiliate offers. My top paying company has been around longer than Google.

I understand issues with affiliate companies not paying or going under,etc. There are reasons not to go direct, depending on what business you are doing. Sometimes you get better payouts by pooling sales and getting paid at a higher tier per sale.

I use Adsense and affiliates. I try not to put down people doing either, but my experience and outlook is a lot different than the perception of affiliates as well as the reality of most of them. I'm not a "sales person" but I do move what I consider real/essential products with real payouts, that require nothing more than sites/traffic, and I get paid.

For example I sold something the other day that paid me a couple hundred bucks up front plus around a hundred bucks a month for the life of the service. I don't make multiple sales like that daily, but I make them frequently enough that the SPIFFs and residuals add up and have been ongoing for several years. I will make at minimum around $1500 from that sale with an average of 3 times that. Adsense would have paid me around 2 bucks once. If I were a salesman I could make around 4 times the commission. But I am not a salesman. So I focus on making sites and pushing volume to multiple companies and salesman to close, rather than being 1 salesman closing my own pool of leads. Adsense for me ( in this particular niche) is a way of making some pocket change off people leaving the site, but I target buyers in serious niches who are more valuable than the clicks.

I have other shit that's all Adsense, as well. It's probably a good idea not to ignore either, and as I said before I think people tend to have a very narrow view of affiliates as well as Adsense publishers.
 
Blastyourass, are you related to Shut Your Ass? Also, cool thread bro. eh you run adsense and doesnt afraid of anything.
 
I did 30k last year. Without really even improving my original sites.
Its all about placement, and getting .75 to a dollar per click helps.
Not my main focus of business, I mostly do lead gen now. It pays the mortgage and payed off my BMW.
Dont hate on Adsense.
 
Thanks for sharing.

A question on link building if I may. You have a ton of links. Do you do any link building (or outsource it) any more or do you find having such a popular site that you gain enough links naturally?
Cheers
 
A fun thing about Adsense is the flukey high dollar clicks. My record was $27.43... that was for a site where $1.50 or so was typical. Basically it was a fake directory of lawyers where I used adsense instead of having actual listings. Sent ppc traffic from MSN in 2007 and made a few grand off it until Google sent me a warning letter and cut off ads at that domain. Hehe good times.
 
You should check out Prosperent TCPA ads. You can use them in conjunction with Adsense ads, so your retain your adsense earnings, but the TCPA ads are displayed on the first visit by anyone with a valid U.S search referrer. Our record for a single click was a couple days ago. The publisher made 786.00 dollars. On a daily basis I see 200.00 + clicks come through. Makes adsense look like chump change if you have the right type of traffic that converts for affiliate type products.

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You should check out Prosperent TCPA ads. You can use them in conjunction with Adsense ads, so your retain your adsense earnings, but the TCPA ads are displayed on the first visit by anyone with a valid U.S search referrer. Our record for a single click was a couple days ago. The publisher made 786.00 dollars. On a daily basis I see 200.00 + clicks come through. Makes adsense look like chump change if you have the right type of traffic that converts for affiliate type products.

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You the dude that ran ssec?
 
You should check out Prosperent TCPA ads. You can use them in conjunction with Adsense ads, so your retain your adsense earnings, but the TCPA ads are displayed on the first visit by anyone with a valid U.S search referrer. Our record for a single click was a couple days ago. The publisher made 786.00 dollars. On a daily basis I see 200.00 + clicks come through. Makes adsense look like chump change if you have the right type of traffic that converts for affiliate type products.

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This sounds interesting, I'll check it out