Making money with Google Adsense

Diversify yo' bonds!

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I love it and I agree. Actually, I have diversified in some offline biz and other sites selling my own products. But, I think if you do it right like www.asktheBuilder.com etc. you can be a long time publisher with Google. If this gig ended, I know 300 lawyers and mortgage boneheads who I can call and start selling my ass fo ads.
 


No problem man. It all start with an idea, but is that idea viable and monetizable is the question? I think a website like that would be fun as hell, but not make you much money or that niche is just too saturated.

I think that one needs to be able to predict trends and be the best website in that niche. Personally I feel the internet has changed and is wide open for a new type of internet marketer. People need help out there and they are not buying too much.

I know a lot of what I said there is a bit vague. The ideas I have for the site are more specific then what I mentioned. A site like I'm thinking may not be monetized in the same sense as you would monetize a niche blog with adsense, but you could sell the crap out of things like shirts and stickers. It would be pretty easy to put up some zip submits marketed to the nerdy adult sect. I'm thinking along the lines of building a community who like what you do and want to have the cool t-shirt to prove it.

I guess if you are talking niche sites, video games and music are saturated markets, but I was thinking of trying to hit some of those sub categories. Do you know how many fucking times I get myspace friends invite from independent bands looking for followers? That would be the target audience I would want to reach. Those bands desperate for any kind of air play. I don't think it would be all that difficult to get them and their fans to support a site.

Again, just ideas.
 
I went to a few of your sites and forums and didn't see any adsense ads at all? And the only ads I did see were your own, for your own products and sites. If adsense is really that great why not have it on all your sites?
 
I think there's pros and cons to everything and Adsense is no exception.

Cons:
-Slow
-Smart pricing, Google takes a big cut of the $
-A low earner compared to other ways to monetize

Pros:
Easy to monetize
Stable

Adsense is about 30% of my monthly rev
 
Making money with Google Adsense is the best way to have steady income if you do it right. I do not understand why many affiliate marketers do not build content sites over the long term for stable income in the future. .

"Content" sites usually have affiliate offers that outperform ( or at least complement) adsense, at least if they are worth doing.

The people BUYING the ads are often affiliates. And they keep buying, because they are making money. Now if you own the content site you don't necessarily have to be a "buyer" of ads because you serve your own on your own real estate. Figure out what the adsense is paying, then check out the advertisers. Sign up for the relevant affiliate program and test that against and in conjunction with adsense.

I have a friend with a blog on a popular topic, gets a shitload of traffic during certain times of the year. he was running adsense and getting like 6 cents a click. Meanwhile the advertisers were making $15 or more for every 20-30 clicks. I tried to explain it to him but... So I just made my own sites around his subject with those offers. He's making pennies on thousands of visitors and I'm making 15-30 bucks or whatever on a few clicks here and there.

Adsense fits well on SOME things, like some blogs that are very targeted but don't really sell anything or have an obvious product. Or a product where there are no decent affiliates options ( which is rare these days).

Being an affiliate marketer does not mean someone is only running short term sites with hot offers through PPC. Just as creating content sites does not mean MFA/throwing up adsense on a page of content. Affiliates have been around selling real products a long time.
 
In my experience you need huge sites with 100+ articles to do well with adsense. The problem with 4-5 page sites is they eventually start losing their SE rankings and require a constant flow of fresh links/attention. It's hard to actively manage and promote more than 10 sites. I make some change from adsense by spending about 20 minutes daily doing KW research for really longtail or viral/meme stuff + SEnuking them :)

500 sites making $2/day = 1k/day (some guy on BHW claims to have done this) with adsense but managing and getting fresh backlinks to 500 sites is a bitch. (assuming SEs are the main source of traffic.)
 
I've made over 50K with adsense; but now it's just a trickle of my earnings. The biggest problem is that Google can just cancel your account anytime. I'm on my third account now, and would never put much time into it since the ban hammer can come anytime - and I've never done anything shady, they will ban you if your sites are obviously created to make monies from adsense.

I made the most money in 2007 doing arbitrage with MSN PPC. That's very difficult to do nowadays since Google is way tougher with MFA sites, and Bing PPC costs are much closer to Google's.
 
Infinite Keith: Do you know how many fucking times I get myspace friends invite from independent bands looking for followers? That would be the target audience I would want to reach. Those bands desperate for any kind of air play. I don't think it would be all that difficult to get them and their fans to support a site.
Again, just ideas.

NOW, that is a great fricken idea. I have actually researched this niche and it is wide open in many areas. I think the biggest one is rap and that is all I am gonna say. ;)

jbuds1975: I went to a few of your sites and forums and didn't see any adsense ads at all? And the only ads I did see were your own, for your own products and sites. If adsense is really that great why not have it on all your sites?

Check www.LoanSafe.org and yes, not all of them have adsense. I am too busy with my forum, blog and show.

Andrew Scherer
D Bag I think there's pros and cons to everything and Adsense is no exception.
Cons:
-Slow
-Smart pricing, Google takes a big cut of the $
-A low earner compared to other ways to monetize
Pros:
Easy to monetize
Stable
Adsense is about 30% of my monthly rev

TRUE. I like the easy to monetize and stable part. It allows me to work and be creative as opposed to being a salesman or bill collector. I don't like affiliate companies because many burn you out of sales.

JohnCJackson: The people BUYING the ads are often affiliates. And they keep buying, because they are making money. Now if you own the content site you don't necessarily have to be a "buyer" of ads because you serve your own on your own real estate. Figure out what the adsense is paying, then check out the advertisers. Sign up for the relevant affiliate program and test that against and in conjunction with adsense.

I would rather work on other sites and building then going through all that. In addition, I have done that and the pain is not worth the money or instability.

I have a friend with a blog on a popular topic, gets a shitload of traffic during certain times of the year. he was running adsense and getting like 6 cents a click. Meanwhile the advertisers were making $15 or more for every 20-30 clicks. I tried to explain it to him but... So I just made my own sites around his subject with those offers. He's making pennies on thousands of visitors and I'm making 15-30 bucks or whatever on a few clicks here and there.

Maybe if I had a low paying niche, I would do affiliate stuff or my own direct ad sales. I can sell and can round up sales when needed be. But I don't like being a salesman 24?7. I like being a creator and working on future projects as opposed to chasing affiliate offers or checks. In addition, I wouldn't start a website in a low paying niche with the intention of working with Google.

Being an affiliate marketer does not mean someone is only running short term sites with hot offers through PPC. Just as creating content sites does not mean MFA/throwing up adsense on a page of content. Affiliates have been around selling real products a long time.

Affiliates are just online salesman for companies who go through other companies to get those products to sell and then they have to rely on the affiliate company to track and not burn them on sales. The facts are that they burn all affiliates daily and especially now in this economy. If I was going to be an affiliate, I would go direct to companies and pick up my checks direct with no middle men or women with their hands in my pot. Yes, Google is in my pot, but they are doing their job damn well at being my salesman so there is no need to divorce when the marriage is great.

Uncle Tony: In my experience you need huge sites with 100+ articles to do well with adsense. The problem with 4-5 page sites is they eventually start losing their SE rankings and require a constant flow of fresh links/attention. It's hard to actively manage and promote more than 10 sites. I make some change from adsense by spending about 20 minutes daily doing KW research for really longtail or viral/meme stuff + SEnuking them
500 sites making $2/day = 1k/day (some guy on BHW claims to have done this) with adsense but managing and getting fresh backlinks to 500 sites is a bitch. (assuming SEs are the main source of traffic.)


This can be done, but I am more into building big sites with loads of content. I'd rather have 5 sites making $200 a day or 2 making $15k and 3 making $5k, than managing 500.

Praxus:I've made over 50K with adsense; but now it's just a trickle of my earnings. The biggest problem is that Google can just cancel your account anytime. I'm on my third account now, and would never put much time into it since the ban hammer can come anytime - and I've never done anything shady, they will ban you if your sites are obviously created to make monies from adsense.

I made the most money in 2007 doing arbitrage with MSN PPC. That's very difficult to do nowadays since Google is way tougher with MFA sites, and Bing PPC costs are much closer to Google's.

Why did they cancel your account, from just making a website for adsense? It must of been violating the TOS. I am careful not to violate their TOS.
 
The chum is what you see when you look in the mirror and the shit you smell is that which is above your lip. If you want to challenge me on anything lets do it on another thread guys, gals or punks. I dont want to deal with internet haters or people who have Michael Jackson as their avatar, that just says it all.
 
Nice post OP!

I'm actually in the process of spending about $10k, and several months of my time building content sites. Seems to be pretty much what you've done with the exception of different niches, and I am not sticking to one method of monetizing the sites. I'm going with 3 actually: Adsense, Amazon Associates, and CPA offers.

What I like so far about Amazon is that people will purchase items, and I've received commissions on things that have nothing at all to do with the site they came from. It's interesting to see what people buy.
 
How much are you averaging per post/article/word on your content sites?

Back in April 2005 I created a shitty single niche article site (10c/click FTL) with 22 articles on it. The whole thing took about a day to get up and write everything. The niche sucked, but since then it's averaged $37/article, which works out to around 20-30c/word. It's not even beer money, but hey, it's nice to have legit stuff lying around.
 
I am not sticking to one method of monetizing the sites. I'm going with 3 actually: Adsense, Amazon Associates, and CPA offers.

I am looking into my own book/dvd for homeowners and othre self made products to help my visitors.

KCBALLER: Geez. You people waste your time for pennies and scraps. If you want to open your eyes to '$100' then do so, I won't get up in the morning for less then a grand.

Oh shit, an internet baller here. Please start another thread and explain to us your methods of making money on the web.
 
I've got a slightly different angle on this. I write a number of articles in your niche, finance, and the Adsense webmasters are usually the ones that pay less and are more likely to bug out at short notice. It may be because I've consistently chosen bad Adsense webmasters and had better luck with affiliate webmasters, but my take is that the Adsense people are making less money.

It's got to the point that I try to avoid Adsense webmasters.

Is it that Google Adsense is too easy and so you get worse quality webmasters on average or is it that it doesn't pay for the same quality of webmaster?

(No one here being an average webmaster, just in case it seems like I'm rude.)
 
How much are you averaging per post/article/word on your content sites?

That is hard to say and I really do not get that technical. I publish for the long tail and pay attention to SEO. But not too much. Once you get a good, trusted site, it will rank good for almost every single article or post.


Chinese: Is it that Google Adsense is too easy and so you get worse quality webmasters on average or is it that it doesn't pay for the same quality of webmaster?

(No one here being an average webmaster, just in case it seems like I'm rude.

Most people do not make money online in both areas. Maybe it is because you hang out more with affiliates or on their forums, hence, your percentages or orders from them will be more.
 
I think the question of Adsense vs. affiliate depends upon the niche, and here's why:

If your advertisers are affiliates, like you, than sure you can probably see what they are promoting and make more with an affiliate program.

But...some niches are not that well represented by affiliate programs, but rich with actual businesses advertising for themselves.

In my main niche - which is also financial - I could never hope to profit in an affiliate program by paying per click (my estimate from adsense clicks) what the actual companies can afford to pay.

But I do run SEO'd sites for an affiliate program. I have to say that I am never really convinced the affiliate program is paying better per impression that adsense. It sort of goes up and down.
 
That is hard to say and I really do not get that technical. I publish for the long tail and pay attention to SEO. But not too much. Once you get a good, trusted site, it will rank good for almost every single article or post.




Most people do not make money online in both areas. Maybe it is because you hang out more with affiliates or on their forums, hence, your percentages or orders from them will be more.

How long does it take in your mind to get a good, trusted site?