Indians vs Filipinos (software developers)
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Russians 100%.
Pinoys are good for customer service, Indians are good for back office accounting.
Pinoys are good for customer service, Indians are good for back office accounting.
Having hired at least a dozen different Indian companies over the past few years, I've only had one experience I'd consider good. When people ask about getting cheap development, I point them to elance/guru/odesk and tell them to select two vendors, knowing that one or both will probably fail on the project.
I've not ventured beyond India but I suppose I should at this point. Next project I'll give that a shot.
I've not ventured beyond India but I suppose I should at this point. Next project I'll give that a shot.
I was there around that time last year and it was really very horrible. People lost close friends and families and lots of houses and personal belongings, including some of my friends (I'm an American, btw). My driver had to take a day off to move into a new house because his was flooded. With regards to your guy getting hit by a car and going to work the next morning: that's very possible, even probable. That's what their work ethic there is like. No matter what disasters strike, they go to work the next day with a smile on their face. Not to mention, the drivers are crazy and will hit your ass.
But yea, I see your point, really sucks that you lost a week of work. Hey, at least that's all you lost.
The big problem is most people just don't know how to hire a developer, let alone do it all over the internet. It's business people hiring someone with absolutely no way of knowing if they're going to perform. There's no systems analyst. There's no project manager. There's no designer. That's a recipe for shit.
I've only had a decent experience with Russians and that's because I held their hands, down to giving them the pseudocode. $10 an hour and stuff got done in a satisfactory way. I got to charge my rate for the hard stuff and didn't have to worry about code other than cleaning up and debugging a few things. Better than paying $25/hr to some stupid American with his java certification (whoops I meant computer science degree).
Seriously, if you actually want to get a project done and have it done right spring for a few hours of an American consultants time. Don't cheap out on them and ask if they can delegate the menial stuff to a foreigner that can write code.
I've only had a decent experience with Russians and that's because I held their hands, down to giving them the pseudocode. $10 an hour and stuff got done in a satisfactory way. I got to charge my rate for the hard stuff and didn't have to worry about code other than cleaning up and debugging a few things. Better than paying $25/hr to some stupid American with his java certification (whoops I meant computer science degree).
Seriously, if you actually want to get a project done and have it done right spring for a few hours of an American consultants time. Don't cheap out on them and ask if they can delegate the menial stuff to a foreigner that can write code.
Filipinos stereotypically have smaller cocks, just saying.
The problems of lack of punctuality & dedication are hilarious! Take it from a guy who has lived in Mumbai (India) all his life (me); this is because you have poor judgment of people & are deluded by the egalitarianism & "equal opportunity" that pervades your (western) culture- it doesn't work that way here. By living & thriving here (and being aware of the culture), I have developed an acute sense of contempt & intuitive exploitative powers, to pick only the competent and to work them as efficiently as possible. So you should buy shit from me, I have a real office & am on good terms with other local companies & freelancers as well. We sell everything (SEO/link building, programming, design etc). And, you can deal with someone who speaks English (me).
Also, don't be fucking cheap. If you want to hire a PHP coder for $5/hour please go to Bangladesh or the Philippines or wherever. As stated above, it's a recipe for shit. You do get what you pay for.
The problems of lack of punctuality & dedication are hilarious! Take it from a guy who has lived in Mumbai (India) all his life (me); this is because you have poor judgment of people & are deluded by the egalitarianism & "equal opportunity" that pervades your (western) culture- it doesn't work that way here. By living & thriving here (and being aware of the culture), I have developed an acute sense of contempt & intuitive exploitative powers, to pick only the competent and to work them as efficiently as possible. So you should buy shit from me, I have a real office & am on good terms with other local companies & freelancers as well. We sell everything (SEO/link building, programming, design etc). And, you can deal with someone who speaks English (me).
Also, don't be fucking cheap. If you want to hire a PHP coder for $5/hour please go to Bangladesh or the Philippines or wherever. As stated above, it's a recipe for shit. You do get what you pay for.
lol. xD that threw me off the chair!!
You get what you pay for exactly. There are more coders and developers in India than you can imagine. A percentage of them are professional guys while some of them just learnt basic html, java, ajax, css, php and other languages from a 50$/month class from crappy instructors and threw themselves into forums like DP, warrior forums and WF, claiming that they are professional dudes with experience and crap. What you guys get are these weird Indian dudes for your services!!!
The professional Indian developers and coders however, make a small company of their own and go in search of quality clients who are willing to get their job done with payment good enough to live their lives in a better way.
So id recommend you to raise your budget a lil more and find these professional Indian guys to get quality job done, than sitting around lazily in forums, finding your cheap coder or developer, getting fucked and then criticizing a whole fucking country based on a minority!!!
Thank you.
Because it is the site for russian people who want to hire a freelancer ( my obvious guess)
Of course they could add more languages to target more countries and get more jobs.
I vote for none. I don't care whether it's in India, Philippines, USA, Russia or Romania as long as he gets the Job done fast and Cheap! I say give the Guy try first then give him pressure.
eastern european , romanian , I have been working with my coder/designer for over 2 years and even shove work his way from others
tried indian /bangladesh...and so slow , always last min, even paying them well , never again...but thats not to say all are bad, but as oposters have said, the good ones are snapped up before they even venture to sites like freelancer/getacoder etc...live and learn
tried indian /bangladesh...and so slow , always last min, even paying them well , never again...but thats not to say all are bad, but as oposters have said, the good ones are snapped up before they even venture to sites like freelancer/getacoder etc...live and learn
Well, I'm an Indian (designer) myself. I've outsourced to Filipinos, Romanians and Indians as well. I gotta agree, You got to be lucky to find one good Indian developer who knows what hes doing.
I had this guy to do CSS for me. When I got the files, I validated and found 44 errors and some 120 warnings. I asked him what's this? This shit isn't valid. He said ' you didn't ask for valid CSS sir' But that doesn't really have anything to do with the culture or ethnicity here. It's just the better devs and designers either work in corporates or work for higher $$$.
When you go looking for dirt cheap ones ( I did ) this is what you get. Frustation. Doesn't matter what country they're from.
Having said that I've had pretty good experiences with Romanians. They seem to be a little pricey but get the job done, most times. ( yeah I said most times.)
At the end of the day, you only get what you pay for or you should be extremely lucky.
I had this guy to do CSS for me. When I got the files, I validated and found 44 errors and some 120 warnings. I asked him what's this? This shit isn't valid. He said ' you didn't ask for valid CSS sir' But that doesn't really have anything to do with the culture or ethnicity here. It's just the better devs and designers either work in corporates or work for higher $$$.
When you go looking for dirt cheap ones ( I did ) this is what you get. Frustation. Doesn't matter what country they're from.
Having said that I've had pretty good experiences with Romanians. They seem to be a little pricey but get the job done, most times. ( yeah I said most times.)
At the end of the day, you only get what you pay for or you should be extremely lucky.
+1 on Eastern Europeans but I only outsourced pretty advanced shit like catpcha breakers that was out of my ability. Written in c++ and using neural networks and shit, my Ukranian guy had them done to 95+ accuracy within a week of me sending over the ZIP files of sample solved captchas. Fecking genius.
