Immortality Through Technology

I have zero doubt that humans are capable of achieving this, but I also have little doubt that we will destroy ourselves before it happens.

dchuk said:
He's asserting that government is holding back technological advances and the only way to actually prove that is to provide examples in the past when a government free society actually produced something life or society changing.
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Maybe the only way to prove it to you would be to show innovation based in a state-less society, which you can safely demand knowing one hasn't existed for a long time, but others can simply connect the dots between government regulation and taxation and easily see how that hampers technological advances.

Government Regulation Stifles Innovation | Peter Thiel | Big Think


dchuk said:
While the internet can provide anonymity, it's not the Wild West...people still must adhere to the laws of the society they live in in real life.
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No they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)

If laws are getting in the way of what people want, they will find a way around them. To quote a personal hero of mine...Captain Malcolm Reynolds - "That's what governments are for, gettin' in a man's way."
 


lukep said:
No, because no one makes SHITLOADS of money off foot odors.


Look statists; ask yourself why this 15 year old kid can do what he did:

My 3 Cents 0n Cancer: Jack Andraka at TEDxSanJoseCAWomen - YouTube

It's pretty fucking obvious to all that big pharma has deemed pancreatic, ovarian, and lung cancers as profit centers, and that's why their current techniques for detecting them are over 60 years old.

Now this 15 year old kid has designed a paper strip detector for them all that is 400x more accurate, hundreds of times faster, and many Thousands of times cheaper than their standard method. ($0.03!)

Let's just be patient now and see if it becomes commonplace.

I believe you already know the answer to that however.
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OH HEY LOOK I CAN BROWSE REDDIT TOO: TIL a 15 year old boy named Jack Andraka made a program that can detect pancreatic cancer, a general procedure that usually costs about $2,000-$5,000 for just $3. : todayilearned

Too bad he was just applying a previously known technique to pancreatic cancer cells: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/catching-cancer-0328.html

Props to the kid for doing shit post-grads normally do, but to use this as support that big pharma is the devil is sort of...weak.
 
sands of times are unstoppable. so cloning and memory flash drives to program the brain?
or vampires?
 
dchuk said:
OH HEY LOOK I CAN BROWSE REDDIT TOO...
Props to the kid for doing shit post-grads normally do, but to use this as support that big pharma is the devil is sort of...weak.
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And do you feel that $0.03 detectors will replace the expensive, faulty screenings at your local doctor's office soon?

Remember, you could be literally betting your life on this answer.

Edit: BTW; my lesson was NOT that big pharma itself is the devil... It's what enabled them to hold this power that is the root of our evils.
 
JarredLv said:
I have zero doubt that humans are capable of achieving this, but I also have little doubt that we will destroy ourselves before it happens.



Maybe the only way to prove it to you would be to show innovation based in a state-less society, which you can safely demand knowing one hasn't existed for a long time, but others can simply connect the dots between government regulation and taxation and easily see how that hampers technological advances.

Government Regulation Stifles Innovation | Peter Thiel | Big Think
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The world we live in is the only world we know...arguing that a different form of government (or lack thereof) would invigorate technological advances more so than what we currently witness is purely theory and speculation unless there is historical evidence to support the idea.

JarredLv said:
No they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)

If laws are getting in the way of what people want, they will find a way around them. To quote a personal hero of mine...Captain Malcolm Reynolds - "That's what governments are for, gettin' in a man's way."
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Are you really using the "It's only illegal if you get caught" defense?
 
lukep said:
And do you feel that $0.03 detectors will replace the expensive, faulty screenings at your local doctor's office soon?

Remember, you're literally betting your life on this answer.
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Considering researchers at Harvard and MIT came up with the system, I'm sure it will make it's way into the medical world once the proper trials and screenings are completed. There's a reason those two institutions spit out so many millionaires.

EDIT: And no, I'm not literally betting my life on anything. That was a cheap emotional play and you know it.
 
dchuk said:
The world we live in is the only world we know...
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...And some of us obviously know it much better than others.

dchuk said:
arguing that a different form of government (or lack thereof) would invigorate technological advances more so than what we currently witness is purely theory and speculation unless there is historical evidence to support the idea.
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Alright, let me try to explain this in another way...

EVERYTHING that has been invented, from the car to the $0.03 cancer detector to the space shuttle (yes a government program's offspring) was invented DESPITE the government's intrusion.

If there was no government to regulate and tax their industries, then these things would all have been invented SOONER in a free market.

I know you want to argue with this until you're blue in the face but in the end you'll only be rehashing the talking points that you've been taught to accept by the schools... Which are run & regulated by the government to keep us all dumb.

You should try the red pill one day. You'd like it.


dchuk said:
Are you really using the "It's only illegal if you get caught" defense?
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No, I believe he's saying that illegality itself is stupid & harmful. & it is.



dchuk said:
Considering researchers at Harvard and MIT came up with the system, I'm sure it will make it's way into the medical world once the proper trials and screenings are completed.
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That's so cute.

Please note that the bottom line of my signature was not randomly chosen.
 
dchuk said:
The world we live in is the only world we know...arguing that a different form of government (or lack thereof) would invigorate technological advances more so than what we currently witness is purely theory and speculation unless there is historical evidence to support the idea.
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Fine then. I'm theorizing and speculating that technological advancement would be achieved with more speed and efficiency without government regulations and taxation mucking up the workings of a capitalist society.

dchuk said:
Are you really using the "It's only illegal if you get caught" defense?
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No, I'm using "the only valid laws are just laws" defense, and I don't think just laws come from the "might makes right" notion of government.
 
lukep said:
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EVERYTHING that has been invented, from the car to the $0.03 cancer detector to the space shuttle (yes a government program's offspring) was invented DESPITE the government's intrusion.

If there was no government to regulate and tax their industries, then these things would all have been invented SOONER in a free market.
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You could also argue that if there was no government, there would be no infrastructure to support the growth and education of those creating these inventions.

Again, without historical precedent, what you're strongly asserting as fact is merely a strong belief you have of a theory about how the world should work.
 
dchuk said:
You could also argue that if there was no government, there would be no infrastructure to support the growth and education of those creating these inventions.
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Obama and the worst of his liberal lackies would argue that; I have repeatedly worried about the state of this place that a single fool alive could believe this tripe.

That whole "you didn't build that" bullshit has no basis in reality whatsoever. I think Bill Whittle explains why best:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GfJaLzbm40]THE VIRTUAL INAUGURAL 2013 - YouTube[/ame]


dchuk said:
Again, without historical precedent, what you're strongly asserting as fact is merely a strong belief you have of a theory about how the world should work.
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Fine, play that card over and over and over as many times as it takes from letting the obvious truth to set in; you're only hurting yourself by stating the unnecessary here.

Meanwhile the world will crumble around you and you'll keep banging your head on the wall blaming the other party or some red herring like that and never, ever examine a useful solution...

...Just like they taught you to do.
 
lukep said:
Obama and the worst of his liberal lackies would argue that; I have repeatedly worried about the state of this place that a single fool alive could believe this tripe.

That whole "you didn't build that" bullshit has no basis in reality whatsoever. I think Bill Whittle explains why best:

THE VIRTUAL INAUGURAL 2013 - YouTube



Fine, play that card over and over and over as many times as it takes from letting the obvious truth to set in; you're only hurting yourself by stating the unnecessary here.

Meanwhile the world will crumble around you and you'll keep banging your head on the wall blaming the other party or some red herring like that and never, ever examine a useful solution...

...Just like they taught you to do.
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I'm not the one blaming the other party here? Don't you see how you handle the problems of the world? You're just pointing and screaming that it's everyone else's fault and then chuckling and smacking your friends on the arm asking their opinion of your witty comeback to some "statist".

To say I'm the one blaming other parties or red herrings for the crumbling world is just comical given what you're saying in this thread.
 
If anyone has 10+ years to kill on a side project, I'm tinkering with an A.I specific programming language and virtual machine.

I'm trying to design a strong A.I that is algorithm oriented rather than goal oriented.

For example, you first would assume that humans were designed with a goal to reproduce as much as possible. However, the more intelligent a group of humans becomes, and the better quality of life they enjoy, and the less they end up reproducing. At first glance you would immediately suspect humans of being some incarnation of a paperclip maximizer, but the behavior changes for some reason as the species evolves, the goal changes from something that would have caused the end of all life on this planet, to something that actually works to preserve it. If humans were designed by a programmer, they operate on some sort of algorithm and not just one specific goal.
 
Time to start training in sword fighting.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw9LM6SWhg8]Highlander TV Opening Theme - Version 1 - YouTube[/ame]
 
dchuk said:
You're just pointing and screaming that it's everyone else's fault and then chuckling and smacking your friends on the arm asking their opinion of your witty comeback to some "statist".
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No, I'm simply putting info out there that I hope some of the smarter statists can start to understand why statehood is bad with.

I'm doing the only constructive thing I can personally do to help stop the biggest problem of our times... Just because you can't detect the real problem doesn't mean I'm not helping to fight it. Others will read and understand what you don't seem to be able to.
 
dchuk said:
You could also argue that if there was no government, there would be no infrastructure to support the growth and education of those creating these inventions.
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Public education is a hindrance on true learning. We're lucky we have the few inventors we do with the prevalence of publicly educated people.
 
Lukep

I applaud your efforts to constantly provide opportunities for critical thinking. but truth is. people will believe what they believe that is it. and since it's so ingrained in our culture and upbringing. there will be nothing you can do to actually change this.

it takes a massive experience to first scratch the record to the extent where one begins to start to question.. then a new self education begins.

at the current moment- as this may change in the near future- the only thing you as an individual can do is simply

OPT out.

it would be like playing a global board game and you reach the point that you realize the odds are overwhelmingly against you. the powers at be keep changing the rules constantly

. so you decide NOT to play any longer and you physically get up and look for another board game to play.

which i think you as well as many on this board actually did... I think you relocated to another country.

now i myself have become rather an observer and take the bits and pieces that I can use and move ahead. but no need to discuss with people aside from conversation on any of these topics.

recently acquired a new citizenship and passport.. so things are moving in the right direction.

appreciate your posts as always
 
bluecoyote said:
Lukep

I applaud your efforts to constantly provide opportunities for critical thinking. but truth is. people will believe what they believe that is it. and since it's so ingrained in our culture and upbringing. there will be nothing you can do to actually change this.

it takes a massive experience to first scratch the record to the extent where one begins to start to question.. then a new self education begins.

at the current moment- as this may change in the near future- the only thing you as an individual can do is simply

OPT out.

it would be like playing a global board game and you reach the point that you realize the odds are overwhelmingly against you. the powers at be keep changing the rules constantly

. so you decide NOT to play any longer and you physically get up and look for another board game to play.

which i think you as well as many on this board actually did... I think you relocated to another country.

now i myself have become rather an observer and take the bits and pieces that I can use and move ahead. but no need to discuss with people aside from conversation on any of these topics.

recently acquired a new citizenship and passport.. so things are moving in the right direction.

appreciate your posts as always
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mothafucka talking bout belief but he speakin in parables
 
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