If you had cancer...
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Talk about a train wreck of a thread. Fuck you guys, was looking for your ideological stance, not your oh-so-genius medical advice.
One neat thing I just learned though is "train wreck" is obviously a very popular form of weed. Just search Google Images to see what I mean.
Talk about a train wreck of a thread. Fuck you guys, was looking for your ideological stance, not your oh-so-genius medical advice.
One neat thing I just learned though is "train wreck" is obviously a very popular form of weed. Just search Google Images to see what I mean.
Try Cheese. Pure ridiculous.
yeah... and I'm an idiot. Get this book (by actual doctor) Anticancer: A New Way Of Life - David Servan-Schreiber no conspiracy, pure science and experience. Think you will like it.
Before the Mayo Clinic updated their article base this year, they had articles by "experts" (yes, licensed doctors) that disputed the existence of adrenal insufficiency and intestinal candida overgrowth (both of which are conditions I am personally recovering from.)
The articles had claimed that the conditions were likely only in the patients' head and to be wary of alternative practitioners, despite acknowledging that both condtions existed in extreme, advanced form (addison's disease and systemic candiadis).
At the time the mayo clinic online forums were chock full of people dealing with the non-extreme versions of both conditions.
The old articles have now been taken down, which comes as no surprise. The established medical community has a habit of ridiculing new conditions and treatments but only up until the point where said ridicule threatens their credibility as a whole.
There is a sweet spot of maximum profitability that is reached by lagging a measured amount behind the alternative medical community. You keep people in the dark to bleed their wallets dry but come clean when too many start to question.
So on behalf on anyone and everyone that's ever been screwed by the established medical community Emp:
Fuck you.
Is the established medical and pharmaceutical industry rotten to the core?
Yes
Are they the best option when you have 1 shot to save your life and they happen to have a solution that shows a proven track record that is beyond any other proven track record in the books?
Absolutely.
Getting a doctor, or an attorney, or an accountant, or a car mechanic or even an SEO, you need to know a little to see if they know what is up and aren't just going after your wallet. This is called research. It is necesary when making a purchase in a situation of informatino assimitry. Challenge them, bring up your questions, if they can rebutt with reason and logic that can be verified with online research, you have a winner. If you don't do it, don't knock all doctors, attorneys, accountants, mechanics or SEOs.
Yes
Are they the best option when you have 1 shot to save your life and they happen to have a solution that shows a proven track record that is beyond any other proven track record in the books?
Absolutely.
Getting a doctor, or an attorney, or an accountant, or a car mechanic or even an SEO, you need to know a little to see if they know what is up and aren't just going after your wallet. This is called research. It is necesary when making a purchase in a situation of informatino assimitry. Challenge them, bring up your questions, if they can rebutt with reason and logic that can be verified with online research, you have a winner. If you don't do it, don't knock all doctors, attorneys, accountants, mechanics or SEOs.
I'm failing to see what a couple of random articles on the Mayo Clinic has to do with the effectiveness of real medicine. Do you really want to compare the quality of Mayo Clinic articles to the quality of articles on alternative medicine sites?
Also you are incredibly stupid if you think it is a good business decision to lag behind competing treatment sources.
What do you think would happen to the stock price, of say, Pfizer, if tomorrow they came out with a cure for cancer?
The market cap would make appl look like a pink sheet stock.
Lollololl
Talk about a train wreck of a thread. Fuck you guys, was looking for your ideological stance, not your oh-so-genius medical advice.
One neat thing I just learned though is "train wreck" is obviously a very popular form of weed. Just search Google Images to see what I mean.
NOW.. I know I shouldn't but...
This guy is one of my heroes. He is one of the founders of the US branch of Medecine sans frontieres.
That said, he was a professor of Psychiatry. An outstanding one, but not an oncologist, a psychiatrist.
He was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor at 31.
What he advocated is integrative medicine - as in - a good look at lifestyle, nutrition, etc .. in addition to classic, western medicine. And as a way to prevent cancer.
He himself went through surgrey, chemo, and radiation therapy- and no, he did not denounce it.
Why am I speaking in past tense?
He died in 2011, age 50 - from cancer.
Cancer is a bitch. And sadly, he didn't have the answer either.
In his memory, here is some info on that awesome organization:
http://www.msf.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9decins_Sans_Fronti%C3%A8res
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What people fail to realise with this argument is that for one thing, if the current chemotherapy costs £XXX,XXX over say 5 years to treat the average patient, then the cancer "cure" (not that there'll be one cure) would be charged similarly.
It would be sold at a value that maximised the pharmaceutical company's ability to sell it. It comes down to all kinds of scary calculations involving the value of a life vs the chance of them being adequately treated with other cheaper treatments. If you came in and sold a one-off drug that was slightly cheaper than the less effective 5 years of chemotherapy, why would hospitals/doctors/people not buy your treatment?
If you had a universal cure, you would take huge marketshare from all the other companies selling other cancer treatment.
Then, finally, if you had a universal cure, people would live longer. Do you know what happens when people live longer? They get more cancer, and need more treatment.
There's a huge number of not for profit's looking for cancer treatments, which undermine the entire "the cure is out there but it's not patented" argument. These charities would do anything to find something like that, and I've seen research on most of the bullshit random chemicals people have suggested are cures, which have been proven to have no clinical significance.
People come up with new "alternative medicine" ideas, they reach scale, they get tested, debunked, and the alternative doctors move onto the next "cheap miracle cure".
Those alternative doctors sell hope. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes but he was a doctor representing academic medicine. He was open to other "alternative" treatments (and did a great job!).
The contribution of cytotoxic che... [Clin Oncol (R Coll Radiol). 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
There is a lot more of these.
Open, yes.
Did he shun established medical science altogether? No.
Do you shun all established medical science altogether in favor of 'alternative medicine'? It seems so.
I think most rational beings will agree western science is so subdivided it has lost sight of the holistic way the body works. That does not mean the sub-divisions aren't VERY good at what each specializes in.
Real alternative medicine is to take all the separate and not so coordinated parts of modern medicine and unite them into a whole body theory. Not to dismiss known science for quackery. And yes, within known science there are errors, and yes within quackery there are truths, but the signal to noise ratio in modern medical science is much, much, much, almost infinitely greater.
Half-Sac baby, but that's actually a bonus- the originals were SO massive...
I don't get phaggots staring at my package in bars anymore.
Going for the treatments make it worse. Just live your life to the fullest until the day you are gone.
This x100000000
I can't believe people can't see this for themselves, its so obvious.
Plus, the goodwill towards the brand would be soooooo high that they could even potentially give it away and still make billions on the back end selling all their other products to a whole new audience (not that this would ever happen
but the brand value would SKYROCKET).