Here I am, I want to make things right - RE: Shitlist BST sales disputes

This is my favorite part so far.

Why? This is WF. Lots of people around here would have probably slinked away, opened up a new account, and started a new sales thread in BST selling whatever-the-fuck.

Assuming what he's saying is true, and he's not going to do a runner with any money he earns, at least he's trying to get the refunds fulfilled plus is still posting under his regular account instead of closing it out and signing up under a new handle.
 


I don't think I explained things well or maybe I just am too dense.

I'm in the wrong. Completely.

The current situation is I'm in a far deep negative paypal balance, I can't market or offer services to earn my way out of it because there is no money to do so.

I'm trying to find a way I can fix this.

RE Above Arguments -
Get a job: great, I can do this, and then in two months the customers here will have their money back instead of in a week or other lesser amount of time if I can find another solution.

Selling in shoot the shit, ban this fucktard: yea I know, what can I do? I can't pay for a BST, I'd use the first money to do so. Banning me wouldn't accomplish anything. I'm shitlisted, I'm pretty much already banned as it is. I'm just here trying to help repay back members that have paid me. Banning me would just be a step in the direction of making it harder for me to do so.

Broken arm: I'm not just doing this because I broke my arm. That was just the catalyst that pushed everything else over the edge because I was then unresponsive for too long. It's just what happened. I would react similarly in this type of situation no matter how I got into it. I'm just trying to find out how I can pay people back. It would be much easier for me to just walk away if I was the type that could stomache scamming a bunch of people...

Seriously, you are selling the contact info of people who worked for you and whom you owe money to? Do you not see how that is a low thing to do?

How would it be low to basically market the services of my team and give them a ton more work? Also, I'm shitlisted bro with a ton of disputes and more coming and you're worried about me sullying my rep? I already did that, reps gone, I'm trying to remedy the situation.

Maybe I didn't explain the offer well. I'm saying you are getting the contact to a team who can do infographics for you at ridiculously low costs. They have been hand trained for two years and created over 600 infographics. You will have direct access to them and their base costs instead of going through a middle man. You can use this however your mind comes up with. Re-marketing it or using it to cut your own costs for your sites/clients content. The team manager you would be getting into contact with has as much room as needed to expand. He runs the offices himself in India and handles all the hiring/training etc. The turnaround problems never stemmed from him, always from me.

I think there is very clear high value in that, but if not, ok, let me know. It's just my idea for remedying this. In the end I'm just here showing up trying to fix this rather than hiding or sulking away.
 
Cliffs:

You are playing the blame game..

1. I know I just fucked over Wicked Fire, and didn't give a single shit about defrauding anyone in the process.. In fact, I totally ignored everyone, no fucks given! But now that I'm broke, care about me!!

2. I messed up so, Jon Fisher, you are responsible for covering my BST fee. I can't risk the BST fee opening a new thread, so I'm going to put it on your tab Jon. (Even though I just cheated your users and wrecked the BST reputation with my shady offers in the past) Oh yeah, no one else can get away with this, only me!!

3. Lemme just ignore a bunch of people who bought from me... Then open a new service where I charge them $500 with no promise other than my "word". Which according to my past business sales, means absolutely "nothing".

What's that saying, "don't bite the hand that feeds you" or whatever?

Advice: Reputation is everything.

Once you have destroyed it, there is no feasible way to get it back.
 
Kiopa Matt, absolutely none of us give a single flying fuck about your concept of right and wrong or customer service after you sold your software and fucked that dude around forever with the customer list and whatever other data you owed him. If recall, you didn't even finish installing the fucker and make it useable. So please do us the favor of not wasting thread real estate.

Pocketaces, you're obviously a self-centered twat. Other people didn't matter when you didn't want them to, and now the universe is meant to revolve around you because you made a selfish and thinly veiled attempt to take even more money out of the pockets of the people you ripped off. This shit is so pathetic that you should be ashamed of having zero foresight into anything. You couldn't even decide if you wanted to scam or be straight, so now you can't even do either right. Also, this is not the first time you've done a 4-5 month long disappearing act, so we don't give a single fuck about your false excuses and lies. And we don't have pity. You shat where you eat, obviously, or you wouldn't be back on here trying to weasel more money out of people. Kindly do us the favor of fucking off.
 
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Cliffs:

You are playing the blame game..

1. I know I just fucked over Wicked Fire, and didn't give a single shit about defrauding anyone in the process.. In fact, I totally ignored everyone, no fucks given! But now that I'm broke, care about me!!

2. I messed up so, Jon Fisher, you are responsible for covering my BST fee. I can't risk the BST fee opening a new thread, so I'm going to put it on your tab Jon. (Even though I just cheated your users and wrecked the BST reputation with my shady offers in the past) Oh yeah, no one else can get away with this, only me!!

3. Lemme just ignore a bunch of people who bought from me... Then open a new service where I charge them $500 with no promise other than my "word". Which according to my past business sales, means absolutely "nothing".

What's that saying, "don't bite the hand that feeds you" or whatever?

Advice: Reputation is everything.

Once you have destroyed it, there is no feasible way to get it back.

I don't get it. I'm not blaming anyone. I fucked up. I'm in the wrong.

How is opening a thread like this at all an advantage for me or at all fun. This sucks. But I'm trying to face it and fix it. I'm not asking for a handout.
 
The current situation is I'm in a far deep negative paypal balance, I can't market or offer services to earn my way out of it because there is no money to do so.

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Get a job: great, I can do this, and then in two months the customers here will have their money back instead of in a week or other lesser amount of time if I can find another solution.

So you are doing it for your customers? Bullshit. You are doing it because it is easier than working hard.

Selling in shoot the shit, ban this fucktard: yea I know, what can I do?

Get a job?

I can't pay for a BST, I'd use the first money to do so.

So if you get money you'd use it for:

1- Paying off your debt to paypal
2- Paying jon for a new thread for you to take more orders after you already proved incapable of delivering existing ones.
3- ONLY THEN will you do the orders of the people that ALREADY paid.

Are you seriously not understanding how shitty this is? Get a fucking job, earn money, pay your debts, come out of this like a man. Stop weaseling around. This is pathetic.

Banning me wouldn't accomplish anything. I'm shitlisted, I'm pretty much already banned as it is. I'm just here trying to help repay back members that have paid me. Banning me would just be a step in the direction of making it harder for me to do so.

Well, it would accomplish rid us of your whinny-entitled and self centered attitude.

Other than that, your comment seems like a sly threat that if you get banned, you won't pay what you owe. Again, not a very upstanding thing to do.

Broken arm: I'm not just doing this because I broke my arm. That was just the catalyst that pushed everything else over the edge because I was then unresponsive for too long. It's just what happened. I would react similarly in this type of situation no matter how I got into it. I'm just trying to find out how I can pay people back. It would be much easier for me to just walk away if I was the type that could stomache scamming a bunch of people...

Too late. Using funds that were entrusted to you for a purpose other than the one entrusted to you is the very definition of misappropriation of funds.

I'd love to see a construction company take your money to build a house, then say:

We had x problems, so we spent your money on fixing our personal problems and we didn't build your house.

But since I'm not a scammer, I'm going to come clean and give you the opportunity to help me make back the money you gave me so I can then provide the service I had originally offered.
That is bullshit. You wouldn't stand for it. But we should?

How would it be low to basically market the services of my team and give them a ton more work?

Because you could just, you know, recommend their services without basically selling their contact info?

Also, I'm shitlisted bro with a ton of disputes and more coming and you're worried about me sullying my rep? I already did that, reps gone, I'm trying to remedy the situation.

Ummm.... so the solution is to prove you are a real slimme ball instead of cleaning up your act?

If you could pay off your debt in 2 months, that would be a very easy way out of your fuck up. Sounds like a reasonable price to pay... so why not just... you know, do it!

Maybe I didn't explain the offer well. I'm saying you are getting the contact to a team who can do infographics for you at ridiculously low costs. They have been hand trained for two years and created over 600 infographics. You will have direct access to them and their base costs instead of going through a middle man. You can use this however your mind comes up with. Re-marketing it or using it to cut your own costs for your sites/clients content. The team manager you would be getting into contact with has as much room as needed to expand. He runs the offices himself in India and handles all the hiring/training etc. The turnaround problems never stemmed from him, always from me.

You explained it all too well. The problem seems to arise from you lacking empathy, you didn't see the reaction coming that any sane, rational human being will see.

I think there is very clear high value in that, but if not, ok, let me know. It's just my idea for remedying this. In the end I'm just here showing up trying to fix this rather than hiding or sulking away.

No, no and no.

This is not a high value proposition.

You aren't trying to remedy it. You are trying to get free publicity and get others to pay for your mistakes.

The reason this is your idea to remedy this is because you aren't taking the one that is obvious: Make money off someone who isn't your existing clients (like a boss who can hire you or writing articles on textbroker or... any number of things) then pay the people you owe money to. Instead you want free publicity and for people to pay you $500 for the non-exclusive contact of your design team.
 
I don't get it. I'm not blaming anyone. I fucked up. I'm in the wrong.

How is opening a thread like this at all an advantage for me or at all fun. This sucks. But I'm trying to face it and fix it. I'm not asking for a handout.

You are trying to get free publicity by not paying a BST thread. You are not helping your workers by asking for $500 for their contact info before recommending them. You are not helping your clients by pulling this shit instead of getting real work done and making money so you can either deliver or refund.

You are... putting on a show of yourself for yourself.

How do you benefit? You think you can make money faster than by working or being a stand up guy, and by circumventing the payment systems to get a BST thread.

Seriously, when I see threads like this, or Martin, or Sam... I just can't fathom how your brain must work? How can you not see how stupid this is? How can you not predict the consequences? How can you be so self absorbed? Mind fucking blowing.
 
maybe I just am too dense.

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I don't get it.

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I think there is very clear high value in that, but if not, ok, let me know.

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You've disappeared on several people mate, including my business partner in December for a while.

Fun fact: She had OP's direct cell number and still was un-able to contact him for a long time. Eventually we got what we wanted from OP, but... meh... Definitely not worth the headache and 'unknown' state of a project. Some people actually take business seriously, clearly OP is not one of them.
 
How is opening a thread like this at all an advantage for me

How is this an advantage for thee? Let us count the ways...

1) Free promotion of product
2) Trying to save face and save rep
3) Trying to further scam by selling contact info for designers

But I'm trying to face it and fix it. I'm not asking for a handout.

No, you're not trying to fix it. You're trying to get another $500 x ??? from whoever is dumb enough to PM you and think they're going to take your place as the infographic guy.

Yes, you are 100%, without a doubt, no questions asked, concretely and directly (with a lot of whining and blathering and pity-gathering) asking for a fucking handout.

It's pretty clear also that this was your bread and butter. It's also clear that you were dumb enough to take the money it was affording you and taking a few good months off to go fuck around wrestling like a high schooler instead of being an adult. And now the titty has dried up and the milk stopped spurting, and you're scrambling like a retard, making a fool of yourself.
 
The negative balance is the customers. The customers would be the first thing paid. Then the team, then the BST fee (not to sell more, to right the fact having sold here now). Then ban me if you want.

Free promotion? Come on. I knew this was going to be a shit show? Free promotion to what? An early grave. Free promotion for everyone to know not to do business with me? This is obviously not favorable press. I'm just coming forward instead of hiding. I am laying the current situation on the table. I have no ability to "work it off". My ability to earn back the money is gone and so I'm in this situation. So I'm coming up with alternative ideas.

If I had a contact to a team who could do articles for you at $1.00 100 words and they were the quality of what you would pay $10.00 100 words for, would this be of value to people to have?

That's all I'm proposing here. I can sell the contact to a trained infographic team. You don't have to manage them, you don't have to jump into this business. It's just a resource you would always have access to at direct costs and could do what you like with. There is value in having access to that resource is all I'm saying.

I get that everyone is at burn him at the stake mode and I knew it would likely go that way. No I'm not slyly threatening a ban would mean I don't pay people back. I will always work to pay people back. I just came forward with the options I have.

You've disappeared on several people mate, including my business partner in December for a while.

Fun fact: She had OP's direct cell number and still was un-able to contact him for a long time. Eventually we got what we wanted from OP, but... meh... Definitely not worth the headache and 'unknown' state of a project. Some people actually take business seriously, clearly OP is not one of them.

I don't want to argue with you, but that is just simply not true. I held that client by the hand with my personal number for just her single design even though she would not respond for weeks at a time.
 
The negative balance is the customers. The customers would be the first thing paid. Then the team, then the BST fee (not to sell more, to right the fact having sold here now). Then ban me if you want.

As far as I'm aware, negative balance comes from customers winning a dispute, getting funds returned and, since your account can't cover it, you get to negative.

So how is this for the customers?

Free promotion? Come on. I knew this was going to be a shit show? Free promotion to what? An early grave. Free promotion for everyone to know not to do business with me? This is obviously not favorable press. I'm just coming forward instead of hiding. I am laying the current situation on the table. I have no ability to "work it off". My ability to earn back the money is gone and so I'm in this situation. So I'm coming up with alternative ideas.

If I had a contact to a team who could do articles for you at $1.00 100 words and they were the quality of what you would pay $10.00 100 words for, would this be of value to people to have?

That's all I'm proposing here. I can sell the contact to a trained infographic team. You don't have to manage them, you don't have to jump into this business. It's just a resource you would always have access to at direct costs and could do what you like with. There is value in having access to that resource is all I'm saying.

I get that everyone is at burn him at the stake mode and I knew it would likely go that way. No I'm not slyly threatening a ban would mean I don't pay people back. I will always work to pay people back. I just came forward with the options I have.



I don't want to argue with you, but that is just simply not true. I held that client by the hand with my personal number for just her single design even though she would not respond for weeks at a time.



You are a piece of shit.

No, I did not have a 'burn him at the stakes' attitude. If you look, I even offered advise since I liked you before.

But now, you have just shown your true colors. You are a slime ball.

You aren't making right. You are trying to save face by bullshitting people.

Get a fucking job, be a man or stop waisting our time with your shenanigans.

Shitty humans such as yourself don't understand just how shitty you shitty people are... it's like you lack that part of the brain that would allow you to understand.
 
As far as I'm aware, negative balance comes from customers winning a dispute, getting funds returned and, since your account can't cover it, you get to negative.

So how is this for the customers?

The amount is immediately taken out of your account when a dispute is put in. So any money that goes in would go to that negative hole, I have no choice in that.



You are a piece of shit.

No, I did not have a 'burn him at the stakes' attitude. If you look, I even offered advise since I liked you before.

But now, you have just shown your true colors. You are a slime ball.

You aren't making right. You are trying to save face by bullshitting people.

Get a fucking job, be a man or stop waisting our time with your shenanigans.

Shitty humans such as yourself don't understand just how shitty you shitty people are... it's like you lack that part of the brain that would allow you to understand.

I never quoted you. I never quoted anyone. I'm not arguing with anyone in particular or arguing at all. This is the situation and that's it.

Are you really trying to provide a direction here? Is the amicable resolution you are actually looking for is for me to post here saying, ok guys, I'm going to see what job I can get with a broken arm. I'll be back in two months with the money to pay you guys back don't worry.

Instead of trying other quicker resolutions like the one I have offered or others I may be able to come up with.

Either way, nothing is stopping me from doing both, and I never said I wouldn't. In the contrary, I am saying I will. I am trying this as well as any other options that pop up right now as it can reach a quicker resolution for customers.
 
ok guys, I'm going to see what job I can get with a broken arm. I'll be back in two months with the money to pay you guys back don't worry.

If your customers filed PayPal disputes, they already got their money back. The only person in the hole is you, ie: your negative balance. PayPal has already given them their money back, if you don't cover your negative balance (pay back PayPal), PayPal is going to come after you, and your account go to collections if you don't pay.

At this point you're not paying back customers with your negative balance, you have to pay back PayPal.
 
The amount is immediately taken out of your account when a dispute is put in. So any money that goes in would go to that negative hole, I have no choice in that.

Yeah, that is why I said, the first money goes to paying paypal. This is obvious. NOT CUSTOMERS. You argued this, saying that by covering negative you'd be paying customers. You won't. It is to cover yourself. You keep lying!

Then the next money goes to Jon. You said so yourself.

So customers are 3rd in line. Maybe 4th after paying your rent. Or 5th, depending on if you give priority to paying your debt to your providers (they are not 'your team' they are A TEAM you USE)

You can work, you're typing right now.

If you can't afford the BST thread, why not just set something up on odesk, textbroker, freelancer, etc? Hell even Fiverr will pay you, and for HONEST work. Not the shenanigans you are proposing here.

Why should WF care about what you did and how you did it?

The worst part is you keep trying to bullshit yourself and us by saying you are doing this to help your customers or your providers. STOP BULLSHITTING, stop lying, that is not making right. Get it?
 
If your customers filed PayPal disputes, they already got their money back. The only person in the hole is you, ie: your negative balance. PayPal has already given them their money back, if you don't cover your negative balance (pay back PayPal), PayPal is going to come after you, and your account go to collections if you don't pay.

At this point you're not paying back customers with your negative balance, you have to pay back PayPal.

I understand what you're saying, but that's not the point we're at, there are lots of disputes in the queue. There are lots of orders outstanding that are not disputed. Those are the ones I want to pay back or fulfill.