HELP!! Hydra Leads Invalidated!!

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I didnt sign up to bitch, I thought I would get help. Since I know of situations where this happened and the publisher got his money. Actually havent heard of one where they havent yet except mine. The others werent with hydra, and I did what the two guys told me they did when it happened to them and Hydra says they can't do anything. So I figured someone on here might have more knowledge and help me out....
 
Maybe they got lucky, mabye the contract between their network and merchant or tos where different.
 
So I figured someone on here might have more knowledge and help me out....
You got a shit ton of good advice, it just doesn't conform to what you wanted to hear.

Someone, somewhere told you, you will get paid, and you are now going to waste time and money, trying to get paid. You better be damn sure whoever told you that, wasn't blowing smoke up your ass, because if you can't control your impulses, cut your losses and get back to work, it might bankrupt you.
 
NAORGIL: Youve NEVER once put yourself in the advertisers position:
1) They probably have a PPC campaign TOO.
2) They bid on THEIR TM terms. IF you bid on them, they not only potentially pay HIGHER click costs, but lose clients to YOUR click. Those clicks are lost due to more sites to jump through, bad landers etc., and/ or they pay a commission AND higher click costs, all because you competed AGAINST them.

Quit bitching. You cheated, you got caught, and you did it with your own money. Must not care too much about your money. Lesson Learned.
 
I'd spend more money on a lawyer then the amount being payed!

Your replies have been non-bashing thuogh, I appreciate it.

Hello friend,

I no know law in Amercia but can you no make other side pay lawyer fee of you if win.

Also what if just threat company with lawsuit. Some time I hear company pay you for go away if no want hassle of lawsuit and bad image.

Good luck bro
 
how is this even an issue, its no different than running incent traffic to a non-incent offer

next time read the terms and be happy you didnt get canned from hydra
 
I am new to the AM game and have about 500 leads being invalidated by Hydra. Like I said I am a noob and didn't realize I could not run two valentines offers on search and I did. I made about $6,000 profit and spend close to $1,500.

Guess you didn't after all.
 
I just don't undestand how you all think its normal for a company to not payout a percentage on sales given to them no matter the manner they were presented (as long as they were legal). I highly doubt the TOS gives the advertiser any sort of authority to rule what is acceptable or not in terms of payment. It most likely gives them the right to pull the plug because of this, but not simply give no payment.

Hydras statement when this first arised was "they will pay if they ever want to do business with hydra again"

it has now changed to

"my boss is on my chain about this situation and we are not only working to get your money but working hard to keep them as an advertiser"

if you guys think I am just cock-n-bulling crying about money, you are wrong. Hydra is playing hardball and they are literally screwing me and others (i was told others were involved and I know one personally) just to keep the advertiser happy. HOW is that not something that should be known?

You would never not get paid because of anything you did that is not strictly against Hydras rules. The only reason you would not get paid is ebcause Hydra doesnt care enough to get your money, because they can definitely get it if they want it.
 
I love that when I talk to successful business men about this ( not AMers) they are SHOCKED to hear that no matter what I did wrong (some of them even understand waht I did ) that I am not getting a percentage of my payment.

It simply doesnt exist in the business world to invalidate 500 sales completely. I deserve something, even if only my investment back.
 
I love that when I talk to successful business men about this ( not AMers) they are SHOCKED to hear that no matter what I did wrong (some of them even understand waht I did ) that I am not getting a percentage of my payment.

It simply doesnt exist in the business world to invalidate 500 sales completely. I deserve something, even if only my investment back.

Let me break things down for you.

You are an idiot.
You did not follow the terms of the offer.
You got caught.
You are whimpering like a baby over something that is YOUR fault.
 
I love that when I talk to successful business men about this ( not AMers) they are SHOCKED to hear that no matter what I did wrong (some of them even understand waht I did ) that I am not getting a percentage of my payment.

It simply doesnt exist in the business world to invalidate 500 sales completely. I deserve something, even if only my investment back.

dude, you fucked up. you dont get shit.
why would a company want to pay you for leads that people were searching for their brand anyways.

you have to read the terms before you promote anything. Ask your am if its not clear
 
Although this is forums so nobody will believe me.
I came in contact with someone who worked for a smaller aff network for 5 years and he has notified me that Hydra is the worst network for these situations. Apparently even if they succeed in getting the money from the advertiser they COMMONLY DO NOT PAY THE PUBLISHER.

So all you people calling me an idiot, can settle down please. Hydra can get the money, they have the legal advantage against the advertiser, and all I am asking for is my god damn PPC costs covered. Hydra is straight up screwing me and many others over and you guys are just calling me an idiot. I don't care if I messed up, thats how business works soemtimes, the penalty is a percentage, not ever 100%.
 
I don't care if I messed up, thats how business works soemtimes, the penalty is a percentage, not ever 100%.

Sometimes this is how business works.

1. The advertiser contracted with Hydra to provide non-search leads.

2. You provided search leads.

3. How are they responsible for paying you for these leads?

You did not do your due diligence before running your campaign. Anyone doing AM has probably made similar fuckups (I ran 5k of Canadian traffic to the US version of a campaign last week before I noticed... it was MY FUCKUP, I don't place blame on anyone else because I didn't read the campaign description just as you failed to. Am I pissed off? YES! But I am angry at myself for missing it.)
 
Tlott, what network was this with? And you didnt get paid?

It was a very well respected network. I didn't get paid because I sent Canadian traffic to the US version of a LP which was then redirected elsewhere because the traffic wasn't from the right country. I didn't even bother mentioning it to the network because it was my fault (not like anyone could have done anything about it anyway). I fixed my links and all is well now. Life goes on.

It's a different deal than you, but the same premise - if I had read the campaign description I would not have had a problem. I was in a hurry and didn't double check myself. My fault, lesson learned.
 
Just like acai rebills, they get rebilled because they didn't read. You don't get paid because you didn't read.
 
gkg and everyone else who keeps telling me "you don't get paid".

Do you really think that the big Networks sign a contract that gives the advertiser legal control over things like this? Of course not. Hydra has the legal upperhand exactly as I thought, my contact told me. He says Hydra is tough with things like this and will commonly not pay even if they get the money. He said the best thing to do in this situation is to get the story able to be published on a big AM blog, and Hydra will give in.

If you really think any advertiser has the upperhand, you are being gullable and believing the network. They have the upperhand vs the advertiser.

The real truth is one of the 2 below

1) Hydra is pleasing the advertiser by telling them they don't have to pay (even though they do by law) in order to keep the relationship.

2) Hydra got the money but isnt paying because they can get away with it.
 
Anyone who wants more detailed info and bash me further.
my AIM is : negativory
skype is naorsucks

would love to talk to any of you, even the ones who dont think i should get a dime!
 
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