Hellblazer

Hello? Is this thing on?

Yeah, it is. You're just not listening. For the third time now :

SUP3RNOVA said:
Secondly, the actual premise for these mod-removal accusations comes from the IP harvesting. Not really a big deal or illegal to do, but he's a mod and was supposed to stand for something as a brand. Taking IP info from his "peers" and then selling it back to them is just fucked.

The problem that people have is that he is a mod and he did harvest IPs of those he moderates, so he could patch it into a shitty product that he's overcharging for. Not the fact that he used mod powers to acquire them, the fact that he is a mod and went through with everything he did. Because he cares about "his peers", right?

This has already been mentioned again by zimok as well as guerilla.
 


This is a forum where mods are allowed to curse, post tits, ban people via popular vote, and trash noobs, all of which we appreciate and love out of them - don't you mean held to a "lower" standard? This isn't Warrior Forum. Black is black, and white is white.

I'm as bewildered by this sudden moral majority outcry as you. But now that it's been made clear that he broke no rules and this is some bizarre Focus on the Family revival I'll go ahead and step out of this for now and wait for WF to go back to it's roots.
 
you guys are taking this shit wayyyyy too seriously
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For reasons unknown to me, I followed all the drama on WF. I just chose to make use of all this useless knowledge to articulate every point in the most neutral manner I could adopt.

All in all, I hope Nicky succeeds with his product. However, I don't want to see WF affected at the highest level by post manipulation and double standards. That kind of shit is poison for a forum.
 
Well alrighty then. I don't see it, but I do see the Red Herring that has been going on this whole time.

The actual point most WF members are making is that Nicky didn't abuse his mod powers by using them to literally harvest the IPs, he abused them by collecting IPs of his peers and then putting it into a crappy product to sell back to us. The straw man would be that barman took the argument "Nicky abused his mod powers and should be de-throned" and said "Nicky didn't literally use his mod powers to get the IPs, so he didn't abuse any mod powers."

I might be wrong, guerilla can correct me.
 
Looks like when you drink you fly into righteous rage (Rage9 to be precise). That is all fine and dandy but I hope when you wake up you take a look at this thread and think of a bit more productive course of action. I am your friend, but just like the Therapy Cat, I am getting a little concerned.

I was pretty blasted, ended up being a pretty drama filled night. One of my friends ex girlfriends (whom he's still really close with) was thrown down a flight of stairs by her new drunk boyfriend around 12:30 last night, so it was fun dealing with him and keeping him from going over there and killing the guy even though the cops where already there. Among other things, drama drama fun fun kind of night!!

I said what was on my mind though. I'm big enough of a man to admit I probably didn't handle it as well as I should have.

Fat Tom, nice tits glad you came though! +rep

Zimok nailed it on the head. +rep

Looks like I'm not the only one with those thoughts though.
 
Really..I don't give a fuck if some wana be guru harvest one of the hundreds of IPs I use. What IS worrisome is "what else might a mod do" with information obtained on this forum.

I noticed someone earlier in this thread ask why everyone is taking this seriously? Well I am because I have spent thousands of dollars for services and software sold through this forum. Not only is my throw away IP compromised but some very sensitive information dealing with my portfollio of sites as well as paypay accts. etc. are accessable her.

If a mod harvesting IPs is no big deal to management and the other mods...what else do I need to worry about? What else is considered not a big deal?

This wild west mentallity is troublesome. I wana know that ALL of my personal data is at least safe with the people that run the forum.
 
This wild west mentallity is troublesome. I wana know that ALL of my personal data is at least safe with the people that run the forum.

you shouldn't be discussing business or any private information over Wickedfire.. that's just being stupid. this IS the wild west whether you like it or not. you can whine all you want but the blackhat mentality will always be the core of Wickedfire.. mitigating risk is the best thing you can do

trust no one.. especially fellow blackhats.
 
This wild west mentallity is troublesome. I wana know that ALL of my personal data is at least safe with the people that run the forum.

All wickedfire registration details are immediately run into a co-reg feed, you didn't know? I'm the guy sending you the V1AGRea emails thanks for the repeat business!

On a serious note I would like to think my info is safe on a forum but what if someone hacked it and got the database, it's not that safe anymore. Shit like that does happen.


you shouldn't be discussing business or any private information over Wickedfire.. that's just being stupid. this IS the wild west whether you like it or not. you can whine all you want but the blackhat mentality will always be the core of Wickedfire.. mitigating risk is the best thing you can do

trust no one.. especially fellow blackhats.

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2. Nicky scrapped WickedFire with his signature, in my opinion this is disrespectful and inconsiderate to do to a community you're a part of.

I even made a post about it in which I not only gave away the source code, but had a public version that anyone could use and was clearly running in my sig for over a year.


3. Nicky created a few scripts, gave it a snazzy name and implemented harvested data within.

4. Nicky gave his product a 50/month price tag and decided to sell it back to WickedFire.

Nope, never made a single sales pitch on wickedfire.

5. Nicky repeatedly called out other people creating sub-par products, at every chance he got before eventually creating his own. This double-standard ignited much of the fuel we see in most drama posts.

I call out shitty products all the time. My product is solid and does exactly what it advertises it will. Not only that, but the issue goober brought up in his thread was addressed and a solution was patched in within 24 hours.


6. Nicky PM's Jon for for permission to remove posts that don't float his boat.

No, actually people came to me asking if they wanted the thread closed, and I told them that I stand behind my product and do not want the thread closed ever. I talked to Jon about my other post that you mention below and he told me it was my choice if I wanted to delete troll posts from it, which I did. He also speculated that there would be some crying about that, which it's clear that there is.

7. Nicky created a last ditch PR stunt in an effort to save face when the above was exposed, a truly moving and inspirational story but the sequence of events that brought his dark past to light is less than flattering, therefor removing any pity he hoped to gain.

see above

8. Instead of backing himself or his product, Nicky's way of handling criticism is resorting to call anyone that doesn't approve of him or his actions a baby or tearful person. Addressing criticism in a logical, coherent way will go farther than acting like a baby himself.

I handle serious criticism of my product by adding in any suggested features that people want, or fixing anything that seems like it isn't up to par.

As for criticism of me personally, cry me a fucking river.. it entertains me.
 
Well alrighty then.
You gotta understand where I am coming from. I already wrote a clear and concise response directly to you in the LP Lockdown thread. Then it was re-posted by someone else to this thread.

You're asking me to explain myself, when it seems to me, everyone already knows what I am talking about. They seem to have a crystal clear understanding.

I think you're one of the brightest folks on here, so I am really thrown for a loop by your confusion about this.

I don't see it, but I do see the Red Herring that has been going on this whole time.
The strawman is, no one is claiming Nicky abused his mod powers.

The REAL claim is that the behavior was inappropriate for anyone and mods should be held to a higher standard.

If doing what he did was acceptable, then Stanley can turn external sig images on so the rest of us can do it.

If it was unacceptable, as turning the external sig image linking off would indicate, then where is the accountability?

Look, with external sig images off, regular peons can't easily scrape without posting images all over the forum. But Mods? They only need to sit in the realtime WHO IS ONLINE panel, and scrape IPs, locations and activities. They don't even need to go into the mod CP. They can just leverage their higher permissions level assuming that is one of their permissions, which I suspect it is.

That is what I would do IF I was the sort of guy to scrape from a community of my peers in order to sell that back to them later. It's way more efficient, I can capture more IPs and I can also get all sorts of other interesting data about their activities, relationships and interests.

/BH pro-tip

So the whole "this won't happen again" deal is bullshit imo.

@everyone, Jon made it pretty clear (my impression) that he isn't going to do anything about it, and Nicky doesn't seem to be too concerned either, so that's the way it is. Caveat emptor.

Anyway I have wasted enough of my one day off on this crap.
 
I think some of the mods are just "playing dumb" because they don't want to see Cakes lose his mod privileges. Well actually, it's obvious to everyone.

This is what it all boils down to, Cakes and other mods are buds and there are a lot of Cakes fanbois so nothing is going to happen. Mods and Cakes followers are waiting for everything to blow over.