For those of you using prosper202 on shared hosting...

[subigo]

I won't lie, I didn't even know what the script was until a few days ago, I just knew that a lot of my hosting customers wanted to know if it worked on our servers, and it does... But since I'm seeing threads pop up daily now about it (and it looks like about 10-15% of my customers are using it), I should warn you guys now.

Over the past few days my server admin has had to suspend files on two of my client's accounts. After hearing about it tonight, they were both prosper202 files.

If you don't have a high traffic site and don't plan on having one, prosper202 is going to be fine on shared hosting. But if you plan on kicking up the traffic in the future or already have high traffic, save yourself the trouble and go get a VPS or dedicated server (like the prosper202 site recommends).

This thread isn't about zensix, but it basically happened to us today: 202 Killing Shared Hosting

When you're getting 10,000-80,000 visitors a day (and a large part of them at peak hours) it's going to kill a shared server, even if it has 8 cores and 8 gigs of RAM.

Anyway, maybe some of you guys can recommend some tweaks for those people using prosper202 that will cut back on the CPU/RAM usage?

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From http://prosper202.com/apps/about/requirements/ :

"When your sending Prosper202 thousands of clicks a day you want to make sure your on dedicated."

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[Rage9]

This really should have been realized by those whom use it on shared hosting. Some people are just not that smart.

 

[BeerNuts]

Meh, the site clearly states not to run it on shared hosting unless you get like no traffic. My VPS for p202 cost $60 if your so cheap to run it on shared you deserve to have it killed. If you really really wanna be super cheap use Tracking202.

If anyone needs help finding a host I recommend wiredtree.com.

 

[subigo]

This really should have been realized by those whom use it on shared hosting. Some people are just not that smart.

You would think...

My support agent got bitched out like I've never seen tonight by a client who had his prosper202 folder suspended. He had over 180,000 visitors today and about 15,000 of those came in a single 15 minute time span.

Funny thing is he was getting this kind of traffic for the past week and we've been trying to tweak the server settings, thinking maybe it was just a temporary surge. When my admin realized it wasn't going to slow down anytime soon, he disabled the folder (not even the 17 sites he had, just the one folder). Hell, he was using 10-30% of the CPU and RAM for most of that time...

Anyway, I'm just ranting because his response to us recommending that he go find a dedicated server was, "I don't have money for that! I thought you fuckers were supposed to be good! You're the worst host I've ever had!"

>>> On a side note, since my admin went on a cleaning spree over the past 24 hours he had to suspend another file (and I believe the user is from WF)... However, that user's folder was called "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]tracking202"... Looking at the prosper202 site it looks like [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]tracking202 is a service they host themselves... any idea why someone would have a folder by that name on our server using up RAM?[/FONT]

 

[glowleaf]

This does not draw a nice picture for you. Yes, I agree, shared hosting cannot take the load, but you should know that. How can you give a "WF special hosting" if you have no idea of the needs of an affiliate?

After breaking down my old server too many times, I asked for, I swear this was word to word "a fucking hosting plan that does not break down with 80 spam blogs firing asynchronously every 2.3 days".
The response was: "Oh. Ok, we have this XYZ plan."
"Where do I sign?"

My support agent got bitched out like I've never seen tonight by a client who had his prosper202 folder suspended.

I would bitch you harder. You have no excuse for not knowing what that folder is. Its like saying, "oh, did you need those quirky wp_ tables in your DB?". Ok fine, you are the manager. At least your techies should know. No excuse at all. This community has so many IT guys in it, you could simply pm one of us and you would get all the hosting prerequisites we need.

And yes, that guy should get a dedicated.

 

[StarkReality]

If you want to run any own scripts and stuff except Wordpress, Drupal or the usual suspects, get your own machine. Shared hosting always means plenty of webspace and transfer, but CPU and memory are the bottleneck. Like Rage9 said, common sense.

 

[wickedair]

You would think...
However, that user's folder was called "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]tracking202"... Looking at the prosper202 site it looks like [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]tracking202 is a service they host themselves... any idea why someone would have a folder by that name on our server using up RAM?[/FONT]

Prosper202 is a self-hosted solution but its package download. You get Tracking202 and Export202 self-hosted. Tracking202 inside Prosper202 is the tracking and Export202 in the Prosper202 is the export campaign. Just because its named Prosper202 doesn't change the fact that it is Tracking202 portion that does the tracking so it just shares the same name. The hosted tracking just happens to be names Tracking202 as well.

 

[subigo]

This does not draw a nice picture for you. Yes, I agree, shared hosting cannot take the load, but you should know that. How can you give a "WF special hosting" if you have no idea of the needs of an affiliate?

After breaking down my old server too many times, I asked for, I swear this was word to word "a fucking hosting plan that does not break down with 80 spam blogs firing asynchronously every 2.3 days".
The response was: "Oh. Ok, we have this XYZ plan."
"Where do I sign?"

I would bitch you harder. You have no excuse for not knowing what that folder is. Its like saying, "oh, did you need those quirky wp_ tables in your DB?". Ok fine, you are the manager. At least your techies should know. No excuse at all. This community has so many IT guys in it, you could simply pm one of us and you would get all the hosting prerequisites we need.

And yes, that guy should get a dedicated.

Are you kidding me? I bend over backwards for the affiliates on this forum who happen to host with me.

You think I don't know the needs of an affiliate? I know they need a fucking server that stays up and has management that suspends fuckers that don't know when they need a dedicated server.

What, because I wasn't familiar with prosper202 I shouldn't offer WF members a hosting special? Show me one host out there they takes the time and effort to come here. Before I started offering my services everybody was using HostGator... you think they fucking know what prosper202 is? Hell, I doubt any other their agents could set up a campaign. And I definitely guarantee you that they wouldn't have let this client have an active site for a week of traffic like that (when we actually worked to avoid suspending his file)... AND we only suspended the folder, not the account. Find me another shared host that would be nice enough to do that.

And you would bitch at me harder for being a complete idiot and sending 180,000 people a day to a shared hosting plan? That's pure lulz.

 

[glowleaf]

Calm down Subigo. I am just stating my opinion, as an outsider. I have not tried your hosting, and cannot comment on it. I can read between the lines, and see that most WF members are very satisfied with your hosting plans.

And there are hosts that take the time to learn what webmasters need, that is my point. Yes, not all of them, of course! I never used hostgator, or 1&1 or whatever mass crap other guys are using. (btw from another thread about hostgator, they posted a tech support chat log and it was hilarious. So no, I agree, they have no idea what prosper is)

About the guy and the traffic and the bitching, I am saying that your support should tell the guy, plain and simple "This cannot take the load. Period."

I am just saying, you try to appeal to affiliates, so learn their needs. Its basic marketing.

 

[subigo]

Calm down Subigo. I am just stating my opinion, as an outsider. I have not tried your hosting, and cannot comment on it. I can read between the lines, and see that most WF members are very satisfied with your hosting plans.

And there are hosts that take the time to learn what webmasters need, that is my point. Yes, not all of them, of course! I never used hostgator, or 1&1 or whatever mass crap other guys are using. (btw from another thread about hostgator, they posted a tech support chat log and it was hilarious. So no, I agree, they have no idea what prosper is)

About the guy and the traffic and the bitching, I am saying that your support should tell the guy, plain and simple "This cannot take the load. Period."

I am just saying, you try to appeal to affiliates, so learn their needs. Its basic marketing.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a dick or take anything out on you. I basically just made this thread as a public service to any future customers that might have questions about prosper202. I figured I'd just say, "it works on the server, but it's not meant for a shared environment, please see this thread.... blah blah."

It basically comes down to this... I have a server admin who's job it is to make sure the server never dies. He does a fantastic job... we've never had any downtime except the time the whole datacenter went down. I have one full-time support agent who handles everything at a basic support level and he does a fantastic job as well... As for me, I should have worded the original post a little different. I knew what propsper202 was (as far as being tracking software), but I didn't know how it was exactly used or what kind of load it could put on a server. After having my admin ask me about it, I quickly learned and forwarded the information to him.

And as for the guy who bitched about us suspending his file, well apparently he's already taken our advice and got a VPS elsewhere... after apologizing to my tech for being a dick, making sure that he could keep all of his other domains on zensix, and admitting that he was already booted from hostgator and bluehost for the same damned thing.

Anyway...

Short Version:

• If you get lots of traffic and want to use prosper202, go get a dedicated server.
• zensix works hard to keep the server fast for everyone, don't fuck it up.
• I've been online for 22 hours straight and it's time for bed.

:love-smiley-087:

 

[omgyams]

Speaking of shared hosting and resources - do you have a stance on Pingcrawl? I've heard it uses a lot of processing power and that may be an issue in a shared environment. Are any Zensix customers currently running it?

 

[kyleirwin]

I've driven 10's of thousands of clicks a day through shared hosting without a problem. I as well would lose my shit if I was sending 180k clicks through a host and they shut me down without warning. That's a ton of cash down the drain.

 

[Spades]

You would think...
Anyway, I'm just ranting because his response to us recommending that he go find a dedicated server was, "I don't have money for that! I thought you fuckers were supposed to be good! You're the worst host I've ever had!"

ROFL! He's sending 180k visitors per day and DOESN'T have the money to pay for a vps or dedi?

 

[Bofu2U]

Speaking of shared hosting and resources - do you have a stance on Pingcrawl? I've heard it uses a lot of processing power and that may be an issue in a shared environment. Are any Zensix customers currently running it?

I run pingcrawl on a few of my dedi's and it really is resource intensive if it's AUTOMATED. If it's done manually it's not that bad really. There's a few other restrictions but, meh. That's why my packages are for higher end clients... and certainly are priced that way heh.

 

[xmcp123]

All I'm gonna say is anyone running 180k clicks through shared hosting is retarded. Not only because it's unreasonable, but because you'd get so much more out of those clicks with a fast dedi. Redirect time is a bitch, and prosper202's click database can be a big fuckin burden.

 

[subigo]

I've driven 10's of thousands of clicks a day through shared hosting without a problem. I as well would lose my shit if I was sending 180k clicks through a host and they shut me down without warning. That's a ton of cash down the drain.

This particular guy did have warning, but a lot of time there's no way. If there's a script maxing out a dual quad-core's cpu/ram and it's on shared hosting it's got to be stopped asap. So what if the guy was making $1 Million dollars a day, there could be others on the server who rely on their sites to make a living as well... but hell, personally I can't see how anyone would host a site that they send that many people to on anything but dedicated. And it's not like we can't handle traffic, he's still bringing in close to 6,000 visits an hour to the html pages he still has on zensix, we just can't handle a bad script.

And omgyams, as for ping crawl, it just really depends on how the plugin was written. Like Bofu2U said, manual is always best with these things... our server can handle a lot and allows you to keep going when most other hosts would suspend your account, but wordpress plugins can be a bitch. However, I do think there's a plugin somewhere for wordpress that shows how much cpu/ram your site uses... I'll have to look into it more. Our actual policy is:

* Memory usage may not exceed 10% per domain/file/application
* CPU usage may not exceed 20% per domain/file/application

And most of the time we only suspend the offending file (never the entire account) if it has used too much ram/cpu over the course of a 24 hour period. We do this to allow for spikes in traffic from digg/reddit/etc...

 

[vladb2]

It all depends on your landing page and how many loads you are getting at one time. You can get 20k visitors to your Landing Page a day, but only have maybe 20-30 people hitting at any one time. If your landing page doesn't have any heavy scripts and is a simple HTML page, 20 or even 100 hits at once is NOTHING for a shared hosting account. I had a friend who had the Digg front page hit a simple HTML file on his shared server and it was fine. The pipes on shared servers are large enough for big traffic, but the processor isn't strong enough to load a lot of pages at once with under 25% load. So is it possible to run 180k visitors a day on a shared hosting site with prosper.... i think so....