Follow me as I build my first SEO site
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First of all, know what your competitors are doing.. you need this to know what you're aiming for. when it comes to offsite seo, article marketing is pretty effective, and given that you are pretty good at writing you should try that. start small, something you can do on your own productively.. e.g. find a list of about 50 (or less article dirs) and create like ten articles (2% kw, or less and 3,4 backlinks).. so 1/5.. a little spinning really wouldn't hurt to keep them diversified.. see where this takes you and take it from there... much more productive than basic commenting.. also try SBs..
you'll eventually get it right, don't worry
you'll eventually get it right, don't worry
Long post ahead, tl;dr
Ok, so finally onto the SEO. I searched my keyword and well to sum it, my competition seems weak. But it could be misleading. But anyways, my biggest competitor (second result for my keyword) has just over 100 backlinks. I analyzed them to try to figure out how
they're getting their backlinks. And well basically all they have is 3 different articles submitted to blogging pages or whatever (I think those are called web 2.0 sites?). Thats around 80% of their backlinks. The other 20% or so is from random directories.
My original plan was to get backlinks first simpyl by commenting on there articles and shit. But I quickly learned that the majority of it has either no comments available, is gay, or is a butt pirate. With that said, I find it inefficient shifting through a huge list of backlinks to go to a PR 0 site only to find I cant comment, I got like 4 backlinks I think today from that all PR 0 (eh but they really longtail).
Funny thing is, the top website for my keyword (#1 position) is a shitty blogspot blog, with 0, yes 0 backlinks. With an article only somewhat relative to my niche. I donno why or how but the #2 guy (100 backlink dude) cannot overtake that shitty blogspot. I dunno, you tell me, im confused.:food-smiley-010:
So whats my take?
1. Comment on PR 2 + blogs with auto approved comments, no butt pirate anal astronaut bullshit
This will hopefully build me authority (having good backlinks, although they might not necessarily be that related, I will try my hardest to comment on blogs that are as closely related to mine as possible, this is also a run on sentence.)
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2. For related, long tail backlinks, Im gonna pull the same bullshit he did. Write a few articles and post em up on blogger, wordpress, and other shitty web 2.0 shit. See but Im actually going to take the extra few minutes to spin the articles. I mean hey, if it gives me an edge to out rank him, why not? Ill probably write 5 articles and spin em into 50 :updown:
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3. Write a unique article and submit it to ezine articles for a quality backlink.
Haven't looked into this that much yet, but basically what I have heard so far is, write a unique article for ezine, submit it, spin the shit outta it and submit to the other 50 million plus article directories.
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4. Submit your site to 50 billion directories. Self explanatory.
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5. Pull some reddit/digg/delicous shit. Tbh Im still not sure what it is exactly. Well its like pretty much social media. You submit your site to websites, like the 3 mentioned, this is good for: visitors from the site, getting indexed, and backlinks (although I believe the 3 listed are Nofollow...
I'll worry about article marketing, and this later. Right now its blog commenting and web 2.0 sites.
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So yah, off to comment on some blogs, like 25 more for tonight. Then Im done for today, way to tired.
So any questions/comments/concerns?
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EDIT: Can anyone recommend me a website that can check your SERPs for a keyword? Like you enter URL + keywords and it tells you the SERPs of that webpage on google? I dunno how if that tools available, but something similar must be Im guessing other wise how do people find the SERPs of their webpages when they're somewhere deep in google on like page 576. Cause you know now that Im building some links I might start going up in the SERPs in the near future :338:
Ok, so finally onto the SEO. I searched my keyword and well to sum it, my competition seems weak. But it could be misleading. But anyways, my biggest competitor (second result for my keyword) has just over 100 backlinks. I analyzed them to try to figure out how
they're getting their backlinks. And well basically all they have is 3 different articles submitted to blogging pages or whatever (I think those are called web 2.0 sites?). Thats around 80% of their backlinks. The other 20% or so is from random directories.
My original plan was to get backlinks first simpyl by commenting on there articles and shit. But I quickly learned that the majority of it has either no comments available, is gay, or is a butt pirate. With that said, I find it inefficient shifting through a huge list of backlinks to go to a PR 0 site only to find I cant comment, I got like 4 backlinks I think today from that all PR 0 (eh but they really longtail).
Funny thing is, the top website for my keyword (#1 position) is a shitty blogspot blog, with 0, yes 0 backlinks. With an article only somewhat relative to my niche. I donno why or how but the #2 guy (100 backlink dude) cannot overtake that shitty blogspot. I dunno, you tell me, im confused.:food-smiley-010:
So whats my take?
1. Comment on PR 2 + blogs with auto approved comments, no butt pirate anal astronaut bullshit
This will hopefully build me authority (having good backlinks, although they might not necessarily be that related, I will try my hardest to comment on blogs that are as closely related to mine as possible, this is also a run on sentence.)
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2. For related, long tail backlinks, Im gonna pull the same bullshit he did. Write a few articles and post em up on blogger, wordpress, and other shitty web 2.0 shit. See but Im actually going to take the extra few minutes to spin the articles. I mean hey, if it gives me an edge to out rank him, why not? Ill probably write 5 articles and spin em into 50 :updown:
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3. Write a unique article and submit it to ezine articles for a quality backlink.
Haven't looked into this that much yet, but basically what I have heard so far is, write a unique article for ezine, submit it, spin the shit outta it and submit to the other 50 million plus article directories.
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4. Submit your site to 50 billion directories. Self explanatory.
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5. Pull some reddit/digg/delicous shit. Tbh Im still not sure what it is exactly. Well its like pretty much social media. You submit your site to websites, like the 3 mentioned, this is good for: visitors from the site, getting indexed, and backlinks (although I believe the 3 listed are Nofollow...
I'll worry about article marketing, and this later. Right now its blog commenting and web 2.0 sites.
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So yah, off to comment on some blogs, like 25 more for tonight. Then Im done for today, way to tired.
So any questions/comments/concerns?
:music06:
EDIT: Can anyone recommend me a website that can check your SERPs for a keyword? Like you enter URL + keywords and it tells you the SERPs of that webpage on google? I dunno how if that tools available, but something similar must be Im guessing other wise how do people find the SERPs of their webpages when they're somewhere deep in google on like page 576. Cause you know now that Im building some links I might start going up in the SERPs in the near future :338:
And I thought finding good PR blogs to comment on was going to be easy 
Oh, well tomorrows another day.
Btw this thread is gold: http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/88733-list-pages-like-hubpages-com-squidoo.html
Oh, well tomorrows another day. Btw this thread is gold: http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/88733-list-pages-like-hubpages-com-squidoo.html
Congrats! You're doing better than most other people when they start since you're actually targeting the same things your competitor's have done. Now it's just about due diligence and patience.
For checking your position in the SERPS down to 1000, get Market Samurai. With proper searching, you can get it for free. It will help you a lot.
If you have any sort of budget, hit up red_virus for some social bookmarks and start looking into a full scale link building plan rather than just getting what you can. give it some time and I'm sure you'll see some moves soon.
nice work man, way to stick with it. that's the hardest part of this kind of stuff, just following through...
If you're not already, you should definitely be multitasking and trying to dominate 3-5 niches at once. You'll make more money going on a rampage with 3 Verticals as opposed to 1. Anyways, seems like you're doing all right so far. Nice work dude.
Thanks everyone, and actually dchuk you're the one who told me to target what my competitors are doing
@YouDontKnowMe - That actually is my next step, I want to work only on one website first to get everything down pat. After that I'll make a few more pages, or maybe a new site, as there are other longtails I want to target. For the time being, Im working on getting one page up in the SERPs.
Anyways, I got a huge project due in a week that I had a month to do
layboy_sml: So Im gonna go work a while on that. I got 12,000 Gov/Edu backlinks I leached off that guy that was butt hurt over
BHW. Those could come in handy.
PS. Does anyone know how long it takes for your backlinks to indexed? More specifically the blog commenting backlinks? I should have 4 shitty BLs but I guess it depends on how often the webpages are spidered.
Homework time
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Competitive niche failure.
Only 3 backlinks have been indexed. All PR0. I am now according to a tool, rank 16 for my 500 a month keyword. For me I am 11th, but Im assuming thats due to personalized settings.
Anyways, maybe I should have chosen a little more competitive niche, but if it makes me a little cash even, why not?
So back to linkbuilding
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Only 3 backlinks have been indexed. All PR0. I am now according to a tool, rank 16 for my 500 a month keyword. For me I am 11th, but Im assuming thats due to personalized settings.
Anyways, maybe I should have chosen a little more competitive niche, but if it makes me a little cash even, why not?
So back to linkbuilding
:music06:
Ok, so for a little more info of what I am doing:
My keyword I am targetting: According to google keyword tool, gets 590 monthly searches, and 500 exact searches. It has 338,000 results on google.
So, pretty small and seems like an easy keyword to rank for.
For linkbuilding all I did was go to this thread: http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/88733-list-pages-like-hubpages-com-squidoo.html And CatonKey listed quite a few dofollow blogs in PR order. Basically I've just been commenting on those and most of the time they are auto accept. Alot of them are so spammed, no one moderates them at all. So most of the time I put my keyword in the "my name" section. I list all the blogs, and then ping them with pingomatic. So this will hopefully help em get indexed maybe.
I did 10 comments about 5-6 days ago, and so far only 3 backlinks have been indexed. But I read it might take google up to 2 weeks to index some backlinks. Today I finished commenting the the PR4 blogs that catonkey provided, about 20 comments today.
Next Im planning to submit to directories catonkey provided, and also social book marking sites. After that comes web 2.0 sites and article directories.
Also while doing that, I'd like to maintain a steady stream of links via blog commentings. (lets see if those 12,000 .edu and .gov backlinks from BHW are any good)
But before I continue any of that, dchuk said to add me on skype cause I sent him my site and keyword for him to look over. He said its easier to talk about it on skype. So I'm assuming I fucked up pretty bad somewhere since he cannot describe the fail on a vbulletin pm Or maybe he just wants to tell me to give up now since it took me 3 weeks to set up and simple piece of shit website.
Yea... Im kinda wondering, did I go the right way making a "review flog"? Maybe I shoulda done a more formal review site? mhmmm
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My keyword I am targetting: According to google keyword tool, gets 590 monthly searches, and 500 exact searches. It has 338,000 results on google.
So, pretty small and seems like an easy keyword to rank for.
For linkbuilding all I did was go to this thread: http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/88733-list-pages-like-hubpages-com-squidoo.html And CatonKey listed quite a few dofollow blogs in PR order. Basically I've just been commenting on those and most of the time they are auto accept. Alot of them are so spammed, no one moderates them at all. So most of the time I put my keyword in the "my name" section. I list all the blogs, and then ping them with pingomatic. So this will hopefully help em get indexed maybe.
I did 10 comments about 5-6 days ago, and so far only 3 backlinks have been indexed. But I read it might take google up to 2 weeks to index some backlinks. Today I finished commenting the the PR4 blogs that catonkey provided, about 20 comments today.
Next Im planning to submit to directories catonkey provided, and also social book marking sites. After that comes web 2.0 sites and article directories.
Also while doing that, I'd like to maintain a steady stream of links via blog commentings. (lets see if those 12,000 .edu and .gov backlinks from BHW are any good)
But before I continue any of that, dchuk said to add me on skype cause I sent him my site and keyword for him to look over. He said its easier to talk about it on skype. So I'm assuming I fucked up pretty bad somewhere since he cannot describe the fail on a vbulletin pm
Or maybe he just wants to tell me to give up now since it took me 3 weeks to set up and simple piece of shit website.Yea... Im kinda wondering, did I go the right way making a "review flog"? Maybe I shoulda done a more formal review site? mhmmm
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But before I continue any of that, dchuk said to add me on skype cause I sent him my site and keyword for him to look over. He said its easier to talk about it on skype. So I'm assuming I fucked up pretty bad somewhere since he cannot describe the fail on a vbulletin pm
Lol, lot's of broad ranging assumptions about me asking you to hit me up on skype. I just prefer chatting
Generally, if you want this site to be a long term project, you don't want autoapproved blog commenting sources, because of exactly what you described: they're spammed to shit.
I'll turn on Skype now
No way man, SEO takes time Keep building links, keep adding keyword rich content, mail to your list, offer incentives. Keep going. You'll get there eventually.
Thanks for da support :updown:
Ok, here is what I am planning to do.
I found a nice package on BHW (I think atleast). For $5 I get 20 forum backlinks, high PR (4+ I think) on 10 forum profiles. On top of that you get 100 bookmarks + 20 rss feed submissions to get ur links indexed
Heres another service Im considering. For 12$ I can get 1,000 relevant comments on blogs via scrapebox. The seller says around 40-50% of the comments get accepted.
The seller also recommends, for new websites (like mine) to not link directly to your money site. Instead he recommends linking to web 2.0 sites and then linking to your site. I think this is called a link wheel. The reasons he says is:
1. Obviously a sandbox
2. He also said, that although if you choose to link to your money site, it will help but if linking to web 2.0 ---> money site will help you more in the SERPs than directly linking to your site. This is all assuming is your site is new, like mine.
SO basically according to the seller. If your site is new.
Links ---> MoneySite = SERPs boost
Links ---> Web 2.0(s) ----> Money Site = Bigger SERPs boost
What would you guys recommend? Direct backlinks to my money site, or first to web 2.0 sites then my money site?
Ok, here is what I am planning to do.
I found a nice package on BHW (I think atleast). For $5 I get 20 forum backlinks, high PR (4+ I think) on 10 forum profiles. On top of that you get 100 bookmarks + 20 rss feed submissions to get ur links indexed
Heres another service Im considering. For 12$ I can get 1,000 relevant comments on blogs via scrapebox. The seller says around 40-50% of the comments get accepted.
The seller also recommends, for new websites (like mine) to not link directly to your money site. Instead he recommends linking to web 2.0 sites and then linking to your site. I think this is called a link wheel. The reasons he says is:
1. Obviously a sandbox
2. He also said, that although if you choose to link to your money site, it will help but if linking to web 2.0 ---> money site will help you more in the SERPs than directly linking to your site. This is all assuming is your site is new, like mine.
SO basically according to the seller. If your site is new.
Links ---> MoneySite = SERPs boost
Links ---> Web 2.0(s) ----> Money Site = Bigger SERPs boost
What would you guys recommend? Direct backlinks to my money site, or first to web 2.0 sites then my money site?
always launder your bulk linking efforts
Honestly, when first learning SEO, I would advise not to buy services that you haven't already done manually yourself. If the seller has to explain to you what he's doing and how it works/how to do it correctly, you shouldn't be buying the service in the first place.
SEO is all about practice and common sense. If you search around here or on BHW, you'll find guides about how to make link wheels and do bookmarking and all that stuff. Sit down and draw out your link building plans on a piece of paper and then ask yourself "if all of my links only came from other people, would they turn out like I just drew them up?" If the answer is no, you're doing it wrong.
Make things natural. Never point a bad link at your site. Ever. Launder everything low quality
Honestly, when first learning SEO, I would advise not to buy services that you haven't already done manually yourself. If the seller has to explain to you what he's doing and how it works/how to do it correctly, you shouldn't be buying the service in the first place.
SEO is all about practice and common sense. If you search around here or on BHW, you'll find guides about how to make link wheels and do bookmarking and all that stuff. Sit down and draw out your link building plans on a piece of paper and then ask yourself "if all of my links only came from other people, would they turn out like I just drew them up?" If the answer is no, you're doing it wrong.
Make things natural. Never point a bad link at your site. Ever. Launder everything low quality
retardedly long (thats what she said)
You are absolutely right. I was actually thinking, should I outsource my work early on in my SEO days? And I've actually drawn up a plan in my mind.
I'm actually writing articles for money now, in order to make more money to pay for SEO services. But, I'm going to strictly spend money on services I feel comfortable outsourcing.
~ Social Bookmarking, Unless you have a program, its just grind work, I'd much rather spend a few bucks and get it outsourced
~ Directories, same as above. Pretty much grind work, I'm going to outsource.
~RSS feed submission - This Personally seems like something that should be outsourced, but I want to do it myself first, just to understand it
~Article Submission - same as RSS feed submission, do it myself first, but later outsource
For now, thats all I'm going to be outsourcing, except the 5 dollar package I purchased, since I already purchased that Pretty much grind work is what I'll be out sourcing.
As for blog commenting links, and Web 2.0 sites, thats something I'll just do myself.
With the money I make from article writing, Im going to buy scrapebox. It seems like an immensely powerful tool. Just the fact that it finds high PR sites makes it worth it to me. For $47 it seems like a steal.
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Thats one of the problems. I don't know exactly how my links are going to look like. My very rough plan to is just to have a variety of links.
~ Social Bookmarking
~ Directories
~Blog commenting, relevant/irrelevant either 50/50 or 75/25. I read that its good to have a balance of relevant and irrelevant links.
~ Web 2.0 Sites
How I will utilise Scrapebox:
~ Obviously like my picture depicts, I will have what I consider more spammy comments posted on my web 2.0 sites that then link to my money site
~ I will use scrapebox to find high PR blogs that I can comment on with my main money site MANUALLY
~ Maybe use scrapebox directly with my money site - definitely a possibility when it ages more
That is my very basic, link plan. Of course I'll also have a few forum links from the $5 service Im buying but xrumer blasts are something Im thinking of doing :food-smiley-010:
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Now I know outsourcing on my first project, with limited funds on the project that may fail may seem stupid, and many may disagree. (jk, dchuks the only one that reads this POS lol)
But really its a question of efficiency. I could spend an hour writing and get $15 or so, and then outsource that to 200 social bookmarks or whatever. Really dont think I could do 200 bookmarks in an hour. Its simple as that. Plus I need 47$ for scrapebox
If you've read this far, then you are amazing.
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What updates will look like from now on:
First, expect updates to become less frequent, now its just building links and waiting.
I will periodically update this thread with info, such as:
~Traffic(as of yet it is at 0 organic per day)
~ Sales obviously
~ Updates to my SEO efforts.
~ My SERPs for the keyword
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The moment I basically start seeing success with this site, I am going to 5x my effort and
1) Rank for other keywords
2) New niche and website
Props to yah if you read this far. Im just going to write the articles I owe, and then go do homework. :angryfire:
Anyways. :music06:
You are absolutely right. I was actually thinking, should I outsource my work early on in my SEO days? And I've actually drawn up a plan in my mind.
I'm actually writing articles for money now, in order to make more money to pay for SEO services. But, I'm going to strictly spend money on services I feel comfortable outsourcing.
~ Social Bookmarking, Unless you have a program, its just grind work, I'd much rather spend a few bucks and get it outsourced
~ Directories, same as above. Pretty much grind work, I'm going to outsource.
~RSS feed submission - This Personally seems like something that should be outsourced, but I want to do it myself first, just to understand it
~Article Submission - same as RSS feed submission, do it myself first, but later outsource
For now, thats all I'm going to be outsourcing, except the 5 dollar package I purchased, since I already purchased that
Pretty much grind work is what I'll be out sourcing. As for blog commenting links, and Web 2.0 sites, thats something I'll just do myself.
With the money I make from article writing, Im going to buy scrapebox. It seems like an immensely powerful tool. Just the fact that it finds high PR sites makes it worth it to me. For $47 it seems like a steal.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thats one of the problems. I don't know exactly how my links are going to look like. My very rough plan to is just to have a variety of links.
~ Social Bookmarking
~ Directories
~Blog commenting, relevant/irrelevant either 50/50 or 75/25. I read that its good to have a balance of relevant and irrelevant links.
~ Web 2.0 Sites
How I will utilise Scrapebox:
~ Obviously like my picture depicts, I will have what I consider more spammy comments posted on my web 2.0 sites that then link to my money site
~ I will use scrapebox to find high PR blogs that I can comment on with my main money site MANUALLY
~ Maybe use scrapebox directly with my money site - definitely a possibility when it ages more
That is my very basic, link plan. Of course I'll also have a few forum links from the $5 service Im buying but xrumer blasts are something Im thinking of doing :food-smiley-010:
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Now I know outsourcing on my first project, with limited funds on the project that may fail may seem stupid, and many may disagree. (jk, dchuks the only one that reads this POS lol)
But really its a question of efficiency. I could spend an hour writing and get $15 or so, and then outsource that to 200 social bookmarks or whatever. Really dont think I could do 200 bookmarks in an hour. Its simple as that. Plus I need 47$ for scrapebox
If you've read this far, then you are amazing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What updates will look like from now on:
First, expect updates to become less frequent, now its just building links and waiting.
I will periodically update this thread with info, such as:
~Traffic(as of yet it is at 0 organic per day)
~ Sales obviously
~ Updates to my SEO efforts.
~ My SERPs for the keyword
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The moment I basically start seeing success with this site, I am going to 5x my effort and
1) Rank for other keywords
2) New niche and website
Props to yah if you read this far. Im just going to write the articles I owe, and then go do homework. :angryfire:
Anyways. :music06:
I don't do much of this myself, and the only bit that is done is on dofollow blogs in the same niches. I don't think it hurts.
~ Web 2.0 Sites
Link those 2.0 sites together in one direction. In other words, draw a circle around that outer ring and link each one to the next in progression.
Never used scrapebox, but either that would be the wrong way to use it or my reading comprehension sucks. It sounds pretty much opposite of the advice you got here:
dchuck said:
If you spam comment links on web 2.0 sites that are linking back to your money site, then that would be pointing poor quality links at it. You need another group of sites outside your inner circle to use a tool like that.
But I still smell like a n00b, so I could be way off.
Hey, I'm still reading.:costumed-smiley-015 No comments since my advice < dchuck's advice.
Only thing to say, is I would suggest doing your first site from scratch bottom to top until you get it ranking. No link-building tools, etc. After that, one has a pretty decent handle on what you can get away with, and what Google will slap your site for.
EDIT: WTF, decent handle? um, yeah I meant a vague idea...lol.
Awesome post, I read all the thread. \o/
I agree with DanWesson concerning the "spam comments". I don't think it's a good idea.
For the rest you're doing very good job, don't know what you can do more. Maybe if your site/product permit it, you should look for web2.0 video site like Youtube, Dailymotion to make basic videos about your product and try to be accepted in response to others well viewed videos in your niche that people like to watch.
Anyway keep the good work, can't wait to see your results.
PS : sorry for my poor english, hope you understand what I said
I agree with DanWesson concerning the "spam comments". I don't think it's a good idea.
For the rest you're doing very good job, don't know what you can do more. Maybe if your site/product permit it, you should look for web2.0 video site like Youtube, Dailymotion to make basic videos about your product and try to be accepted in response to others well viewed videos in your niche that people like to watch.
Anyway keep the good work, can't wait to see your results.
PS : sorry for my poor english, hope you understand what I said
Yeah Herbs, I recommend not using Scrapebox. There are specific uses for it, you need to be careful.
Stick to wheels, bookmarks, profiles, directory submits, and manual commenting and you'll be fine.
And what DanWesson said about having another level of buffer is a very good recommendation
Stick to wheels, bookmarks, profiles, directory submits, and manual commenting and you'll be fine.
And what DanWesson said about having another level of buffer is a very good recommendation
I've also been following your thread, even though I haven't posted. AND I am also < dchuk since I haven't really had success yet, but I'm also working on my first site.
Anyway, I don't really trust much on other forums but I found a Link Farm diagram that looked, at least in my eyes of limited experience, like something that would do a fairly good job at appearing natural. I dont know if it actually does in Google's eyes, but since the properties don't really link to each other in a specific way each time, to me it does.
I copied the diagram using OmniGraffle so I could easily fill in all of the different spots easily to keep track of my actual URLs. PLUS it's colorful now... If anybody uses OmniGraffle and wants the file, let me know.
Like I said, I basically copied it from somebody elses diagram so I'm not too sure how all of these sites operate. For example, I started building all of the sites and got to Kongregate and dont really even understand what the page is. Anyway, I think that you could simply replace any of these with another web 2.0.
The green arrows all go directly to the main money site.
The light blue arrows go to the interior pages for specific keywords.
All the dotted lines are links from each property to another.
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There's also another simpler diagram that I found that is more like the diagram that you made, but with the added tier of web 2.0 properties to buffer the link building spam. http://senuke.com/bubblus_RandURL.jpg
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Questions to those with actual experience.
So, if building a link farm/wheel like the one in the colorful diagram, would you outsource the web 2.0 properties? I have been writing the content on to each of the blogs myself and it is already becoming a hassle to update any of them, and I've only built like 5. How much would the quality of these properties come into play?
If I did try to keep the actual content on these pages of decently high quality, would it make sense to use something like scrapebox or xrumer (i dont 100% understand what these two programs actually do). From my understanding, it wouldn't be too much of a risk to at least try this on a few of the individual web 2.0 properties.
Sorry if I hijacked your thread. I figured this information would also be of use to you.
Anyway, I don't really trust much on other forums but I found a Link Farm diagram that looked, at least in my eyes of limited experience, like something that would do a fairly good job at appearing natural. I dont know if it actually does in Google's eyes, but since the properties don't really link to each other in a specific way each time, to me it does.
I copied the diagram using OmniGraffle so I could easily fill in all of the different spots easily to keep track of my actual URLs. PLUS it's colorful now... If anybody uses OmniGraffle and wants the file, let me know.
Like I said, I basically copied it from somebody elses diagram so I'm not too sure how all of these sites operate. For example, I started building all of the sites and got to Kongregate and dont really even understand what the page is. Anyway, I think that you could simply replace any of these with another web 2.0.
The green arrows all go directly to the main money site.
The light blue arrows go to the interior pages for specific keywords.
All the dotted lines are links from each property to another.
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There's also another simpler diagram that I found that is more like the diagram that you made, but with the added tier of web 2.0 properties to buffer the link building spam. http://senuke.com/bubblus_RandURL.jpg
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Questions to those with actual experience.
So, if building a link farm/wheel like the one in the colorful diagram, would you outsource the web 2.0 properties? I have been writing the content on to each of the blogs myself and it is already becoming a hassle to update any of them, and I've only built like 5. How much would the quality of these properties come into play?
If I did try to keep the actual content on these pages of decently high quality, would it make sense to use something like scrapebox or xrumer (i dont 100% understand what these two programs actually do). From my understanding, it wouldn't be too much of a risk to at least try this on a few of the individual web 2.0 properties.
Sorry if I hijacked your thread. I figured this information would also be of use to you.