erect the impaler ... why excessive bumping is bad for your sales

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JakeStratham said:
Exactly.

And just a moment ago, I noticed another vendor in the Content forum offering 9 reviews specifically for itrader points (he openly states it). In a month's time, we'll see that vendor has accrued a bunch of itraders, yet nobody will know whether doing business with him is a good idea. That's unfortunate for the community.

Again, there's no rule against it, and there really shouldn't be. It's gonna be frustrating for jdturner11 if he agrees to decline itraders for free stuff when other vendors are openly accepting them.

It'd be wonderful if we could slowly get across the idea to vendors that itrader points exchanged for free stuff mean nothing. Points given that way don't help them. This is where the real work begins, I think. Clearing out the first wave of bad apples was easy. It could be done with a really big club.

Now, we're each gonna need a scalpel.
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Lets cut away where is the thread.. ?

I have been focused on the SEO and Links section, anyone going to buy my blood pressure medication for the content section? LOL

I can see no difference between free shit in the content section vs seo/links section. SEO links section "hey I giving free links on my blog" in exchange for iTraders (which is a no no).. Content section "hey I giving free articles" in exchange for iTraders, is this not the same thing?

I could get my writer to do 40 good articles and crank my iTraders up another 40 points via giving them for free in the content section? Is this not gaming ? me thinks so..

Even back before this thread I reported someone giving free links and wanting iTraders,,, reported = banned and thread gone.
 


zingo said:
http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/101753-wts-seo-packages-payment-completion-goals.html

If you look at this guy history he just starts a new thread every couple days for the same service.. perma bann is in order.
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Found a similar service provider http://www.wickedfire.com/members/vasanthi.html. She got some iTraders but reproducing the same service is not just a pretty sight. Not sure if she should be banned but a warning is necessary.

Check out her similar threads:

Link Building service:

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/101954-manual-link-building-services.html
http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/67485-link-building-services-cheap-price.html


Manual Directory submission service:

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...ry-submission-pr8-pr0-100-manual-service.html
http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/99358-manual-directory-submission-services-very-cheap-price.html
 
Here is a possible solution to the "free review copy for positive itrader" problem:

A writer in the content forum is offering several review copies in exchange for itrader. I posted the following in his thread:

I'll give you a topic on which to write a review copy. Here it is: bone cancer. Choose any direction that suits your writing style. Do not PM the article to me. Post it in your thread.

Here is how you benefit: everyone on this forum will be able to observe how well you write. This is good exposure for you, and much better than having 5 random WF members saying "Good job. Will order soon."

Here is how the forum benefits: members will be able to observe how well you write on a topic given to you. It gives them a chance to "test drive" your writing.
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The key is giving the vendor a topic on which to write rather than asking for samples.

I'm hoping everyone wins with this approach. The writer gets valuable exposure. WF members get to test drive content. And the itrader system slowly starts to heal itself.

Do you guys and gals think it's worth trying in the content forum? If so, we could copy/paste the above (swapping out the topic, of course) to make it lower maintenance on us.
 
^^^That's a great idea.
Automate that shit. Pick a list of random topics to swap out, and have a script that posts that request with a selected topic every time a new thread is started in the content section.
Would of course have to filter somehow with keywords to pick the actual sales threads, but maybe a way to ensure it is enforced/applied more or less equally without taking extra time of moderation.

All that said, I have no clue if this can easily be done with a forum like this, but it was the first idea I had reading the post.
 
JakeStratham said:
Here is a possible solution to the "free review copy for positive itrader" problem:

A writer in the content forum is offering several review copies in exchange for itrader. I posted the following in his thread:

The key is giving the vendor a topic on which to write rather than asking for samples.

I'm hoping everyone wins with this approach. The writer gets valuable exposure. WF members get to test drive content. And the itrader system slowly starts to heal itself.

Do you guys and gals think it's worth trying in the content forum? If so, we could copy/paste the above (swapping out the topic, of course) to make it lower maintenance on us.
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This is really close to what I was planning on doing when I mentioned it a while ago. Anyone who does their own writing should have no problem doing something like this. It's also good for the middlers/brokers because you give them something to write and if they can get something legible up there quickly, you know they have a good source and has their shit together.

The shifty ones are gonna be the ones complaining because if they post it publicly they know someone will eventually come into the thread and say they wrote it for this guy as a free review or worse, it was indexed 2 yrs ago on about 100 other sites.

But everyone has to realize once they post something here, it probably will be indexed on 100s other sites by the end of the week, so you have to pay attention to things like post dates etc. before claiming someone ripped it off the web to post here.
 
That is a good idea.

However, the really shifty "engrish" writers could simply source an article from elsewhere (copied/rewritten or written by a really good writer) and then post it as their own.

I'm sure this has happened to some - you see a really good writing sample, make an order, and then see that the content written for you is nowhere near the quality of the sample.
 
At DanWesson: Automating topic choices is an interesting idea. It may be quite a bit of work on the front-end for anyone who wants to tackle it. The tech stuff is way over my head.

At jryan21: Really good points about the brokers and post dates. You took this further than I did. :)

At nordie: I know exactly what you're saying. This would definitely be an experiment in progress. The shifty ones would find it pretty easy to get around the public post. My hope is that everything would be more transparent, which should bear fruit over time.

At everyone: It would be funny if we met resistance at first, but in 6 months writers were saying "Do me! Do me! Gimme a topic!" in their sales threads. I would think the good writers would jump at the chance to stand apart from the others. They get to showcase their talent.

By the way, I wouldn't make this a rule. If a writer doesn't want to participate, that should be their decision. Nobody should bully them about it. As time goes on, members will probably make it known that they will only do business with those who take part.
 
MULTIPLE ACCOUNT GUY

OK so this guy blew his own cover pretty quickly, he's probably bumping himself with multiple accounts. After I called him out on the multiple accounts, he deleted his hiccup. But I copied the screen showing that he posted this comment under the wrong name in reply to a request from JakeStratham as well as quoted the comment in the thread in it's entirety.
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Tired of paying a good price for shitty content? *Get a break inside*
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"tyg3ra" is the same guy as the OP "HNK21" in this thread http://www.wickedfire.com/content/1...od-price-shitty-content-get-break-inside.html

As you can see by his comment that I quoted in the thread, and the first 4 words captured on the WFlive screen, he placed a comment from the wrong account and he was caught red-handed as a multiple accounter and deleted it ASAP.
 
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1yerrot said:
OK so this guy blew his own cover pretty quickly, he's probably bumping himself with multiple accounts. After I called him out on the multiple accounts, he deleted his hiccup. But I copied the screen showing that he posted this comment under the wrong name in reply to a request from JakeStratham as well as quoted the comment in the thread in it's entirety.
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New Post tyg3ra
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Tired of paying a good price for shitty content? *Get a break inside*
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"tyg3ra" is the same guy as the OP "HNK21" in this thread http://www.wickedfire.com/content/1...od-price-shitty-content-get-break-inside.html

As you can see by his comment that I quoted in the thread, and the first 4 words captured on the WFlive screen, he placed a comment from the wrong account and he was caught red-handed as a multiple accounter and deleted it ASAP.
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Dont forget

HNK21 said:
Yes, tyg3ra is also my account. I had one article order on that account, and logged in to make sure the guy I'm finishing the articles for didn't contact me. I forgot to log back into HNK21.
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that and his negative iTrader to HUST1N with having never ever even had a trade of any sort with him.


(BTW, i've been a lurker for a long time, reading, reading some more, and doing, and never having anything of value(because you all are so much better than I) to add to this forum, so thats why this is my first post)
 
IMHopeful said:
^^Who's selling the WF accounts? LOL!!!
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I assume you are talking about me having joined in 08 and that being my first post. I assure you, no one purchased this account, I just dont feel that I have the wisdom to share, I'm still learning ALOT(sadly).

I felt that I needed to post the follow up to 1yerrot's post after reading the first few pages of this forum, and seeing the tremendous help it is... remember that its not just a help to get rid of these guys from the annoyance factor to you long term members, its also a HUGE help to the newbies, so that it cuts through all the noise.

If i'm out of place carrying on the banter in this thread, i'm sorry, please don't ban me(now you know why this is my second post, I don't want to get kicked out because of some stupid mistake I made)
 
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It seems like there are a number of newer sellers that are pushing different variations of the same thing; the latest being:

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/102162-100-10k-manual-directory-submission-low-price.html

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/102218-special-1100-manual-directory-submission-high-pr.html

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...tory-submission-package-free-review-copy.html

Has anyone reputable tried these (or similar versions of these) guys out? Not that they need to be outright banned, but I'd be concerned if they are all dropping links on the same set of pages and buyers keep paying for duplicated efforts.

Also, this exposes a downside to the 1-touch ban and clean; I know for certain if they hadn't been removed, there would be several verbatim thread titles in the "Similar threads" section at the bottom of these pages.
 
nordie said:
Indeed. He's trying to build legitimacy by pointing out his former banned account........what a piece of work.
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Hi,

Well, I said I won't replay here again, but you started to mention my new account so I think I have to replay...

Yes, I'm saar74, erect knows that. you know that.
I earned my previous itrader honestly (how many of you spend here, in the forum, over 1500$ in 4 months?)

As I mentioned before, my ban was a mistake.
I didn't know that I can not use my "regular post" to get writers (btw, over 20 articles were bought since that message, in that price)

Are you here to do business or to try to get rid of people who spend money here???

I didn't take any free review, I took 2 full paid ones, is that a problem too here????

If you have a problem with my threads, PM me, email me, try to check things out before trying to ban...

Saar.
 
RockDiesel said:
Think about getting rid of this guy, or at least getting rid of his services. I don't see them adding any value to the WF community.

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/101239-mass-serp-linkwheel-must-have.html

You can read my review of the service if you need some additional info on why it sucks.

And the other 2 "reviews" in the thread are bullshit - here and here. This service sucks, plain and simple.
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Should've got rid of this guy earlier. Now he is pimping ebooks.

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo/102327-earn-least-2k-month-seo.html
 
saar26 said:
Yes, I'm saar74, erect knows that. you know that.
I earned my previous itrader honestly (how many of you spend here, in the forum, over 1500$ in 4 months?)
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Plenty of people actually. In fact, lots spend even more. In multiples.


As I mentioned before, my ban was a mistake.
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If your ban was a mistake, why is your old account STILL BANNED?

If your ban was a mistake, why did you have to crawl back here and create a new account?


Are you here to do business or to try to get rid of people who spend money here???
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Stop trying to deflect the issue here. Everyone here knows why you were banned, including you.

You abused the system by taking hundreds of free reviews, then left laughably low-quality reviews that helped no one here in the community. You simply got the benefit of free products and services, many from inexperienced new vendors for NO COST.

When you take free reviews here, understand that there IS A COST. You are expected to leave decent quality reviews. NOT one or two line sentence fragments that lack any specificity or any viable information that fail to inform other buyers.

Now, with all due respect, GTFO.
 
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