CDC confirms first Ebola case diagnosed in the United States
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I don't know either, but I think they're just not telling us shit, so as to not cause a panic. Here's some photos of medical personnel in Dallas. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it appears the CDC believes this thing could be airborne as well:
As a real estate investor my first thought was, wow it's going to be hard to re-rent that unit.....or any of the other units.
I've been watching Breaking Bad season 5 (beginning of it), and all I could think was, "oooo, what a perfect place to setup a drug lab!". Cops aren't raiding an ebola infested complex.
Save money or divert it to a more needy cause like a swiss bank account needing topping up or the private jet fuel bill wont get paid.
Gotta love em
It's not to say that there's a 0% chance this would happen in the USA, but it is far less likely.
Spain's healthcare system has been getting railed in the ass by austerity cuts for a while now and they just aren't even close to as prepared for any sort out outbreak as hospitals in the UK, USA, or Canada are.
There's a point with healthcare where spending cuts cross the line from "saving money" to "completely fucking retarded" - this is a good example of the latter.
But..but..those fucking liberals!!!!
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Ok, forget what I wrote before, can someone explain to me what the harm would be in restricting air traffic to and from Sierra Leone and Liberia until the situation is under control?
What would the damage be? The economic impact is neglible.
Let people travel there, but make it clear it is on their own risk. Travel insurance does not cover travel to areas with civil war, epidemic outbreaks and the like for obvious reason.
Why did Spain fly some half-dead people back? Spanish healthcare workers are saying the two priets were already almost dead on arrival.
What is the point of not taking precaution? Why is it so important to not protect ourselves?
I see this as proof that liberals/progressives/cultural-marxists - call them what you want - are actually closer to religious fanatics than they would like. They have dogmas that must be followed, no matter the consequence, open borders in one of them. They are willing to go to their deaths in defence of this dogma.
What would the damage be? The economic impact is neglible.
Let people travel there, but make it clear it is on their own risk. Travel insurance does not cover travel to areas with civil war, epidemic outbreaks and the like for obvious reason.
Why did Spain fly some half-dead people back? Spanish healthcare workers are saying the two priets were already almost dead on arrival.
What is the point of not taking precaution? Why is it so important to not protect ourselves?
I see this as proof that liberals/progressives/cultural-marxists - call them what you want - are actually closer to religious fanatics than they would like. They have dogmas that must be followed, no matter the consequence, open borders in one of them. They are willing to go to their deaths in defence of this dogma.
The fact that all airlines drop flights to / from those countries, hence restricting supply routes of neat things like medical staff, aid & supplies? This would only make the problem even worse.
It can take up to 3 weeks to know if you're infected or not.
I do actually agree with your premise though. There's something here that doesn't add up for me. Again, does anyone remember the swine flu? That was during a time when I travelled loads, and again, you could not hit an airport anywhere in this world without walking past an iinfrared scanner to detect whether or not you have a fever.
Yet, I see news reports on CNN about how difficult the logistics of doing such a thing are, which leaves me scratching my head. During the swine flu, it happened almost over night, and there were calls about how heavy handed the govts were being. Maybe I'm missing something though.
Military flights are bringing most of those thing to the regions in question. Obama is sending at least 1000 US military to the region, not to treat people, but to improve the medical infrastructure. Chartered flights can also be arranged for supplies and the likes of doctors without borders, and missionary groups. Or they can take the train if need be. Civilian flights are not needed to deliver medical personnel or supplies.
It's been widely quoted in the press that the two priests brought back to Spain were both near death upon arrival. Their infections were never in doubt and they had minimal chance at survival. So why put everyone at risk, especially when they were unprepared for it?
The freedom of movement is a fundamental right. Why should an American citizen be denied access to the best medical care in the world?
The problem is the .gov rules by fear; they are given powers during times of crisis and never give them back.
The timing on this couldn't be better. Ebola is going to be a huge part of the midterm elections. Dont be surprised to see the hysteria ramp up in the coming weeks.
The less aid workers, the more likely ebola is to spread all over Africa, which would cause a big economic impact and pose a big long term health threat to the rest of the world.
Ebola: Why don't we just ban flights from Africa? | CTV News
Cuba Travel Restrictions for U.S. Citizens
1993 :
CLINTON SAYS U.S. WILL CONTINUE BAN ON HAITIAN EXODUS - New York Times
2010 :
US officials take steps to prevent mass refugee migration - The Boston Globe
"Federal officials said most Haitians who try to escape by sea would be sent back if they are caught."
Where Are Ebola Supplies? Aid Workers Say Help Isn't Fast Enough - NBC News
"Isaacs asked the U.S. government at a congressional hearing two months ago to assign the military to help distribute supplies from nonprofits like his own, but it’s not happening yet, he said."
http://www.voanews.com/content/airlines-cuts-in-flights-to-west-africa-delay-ebola-aid/2448006.html
"Alassan Senghore, Africa director for the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, says his organization cannot get staff into and out of affected countries."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-suspending-flights-to-Ebola-hit-country.html
"aid agencies who say that commercial flights are the only way to ferry in enough international aid workers and equipment to cope with the Ebola outbreak."
Um, did you even read the story? Your link above shows US troops boarding planes for West Africa and already on the ground in Liberia setting up testing facilities. So what if they aren't shipping on behalf of non profits, they're still delivering supplies as proven by quotes like "The U.S. is sending similar equipment, including 140,000 sets of personal protective equipment, 10,000 of which have already been delivered". Beyond that, don't be so self centered as to think that the US is the only country capable of providing military transport for medical personal and supplies into the region.
I stand by my original statement. Commercial flights are not at all necessary to get supplies into the effected countries. Flights can be chartered. Shipping companies can be hired. Supplies can be trucked in, or sent by ship. Passenger airlines don't need to be flying into the country and taking potentially infected people out of the country on return flights. If all they're doing is dropping off, sure, no problem. But random holiday makers don't need to be on the return flights.
Predictable response.
As Fatbat writes, medical staff and supplies can easily be flow in on military aircrafts. Easily.
As for human rights and all that bs, I am happy to hear that human rights now mean I can travel where I like with no regards to what other countries feel about it. Let me take a quick stroll through Israel to Saudi Arabia with an Israeli stamp. Of course, human rights trumps all. Let me jet Visa free into China and Russia as I please.
You are grasping at straws here and confirming my thesis. There is some irrational mindset going on here. Liberians and Sierra Leonians have never had free and unrestricted travel rights.
Remind me also again, what does the US or European nations do to citizens stranded in 3rd world nations when they crash on a motorbike without insurance? That's right, they do fuck all, and say tough luck, deal with it.
You know, I am beginning to think that Neo-con hag Naomi Wolf is right. There is some shady shit going on.
We all know that some of these leftist/globalist authocrats have wet dreams about population reduction including some of Obama's staff, that's right John Holdren, there are too many of the plebs, not enough of the chosen people and comrades.
As Fatbat writes, medical staff and supplies can easily be flow in on military aircrafts. Easily.
As for human rights and all that bs, I am happy to hear that human rights now mean I can travel where I like with no regards to what other countries feel about it. Let me take a quick stroll through Israel to Saudi Arabia with an Israeli stamp. Of course, human rights trumps all. Let me jet Visa free into China and Russia as I please.
You are grasping at straws here and confirming my thesis. There is some irrational mindset going on here. Liberians and Sierra Leonians have never had free and unrestricted travel rights.
Remind me also again, what does the US or European nations do to citizens stranded in 3rd world nations when they crash on a motorbike without insurance? That's right, they do fuck all, and say tough luck, deal with it.
You know, I am beginning to think that Neo-con hag Naomi Wolf is right. There is some shady shit going on.
We all know that some of these leftist/globalist authocrats have wet dreams about population reduction including some of Obama's staff, that's right John Holdren, there are too many of the plebs, not enough of the chosen people and comrades.
The story gave the impression that US military involvement was just getting started, which would suggest that they have not been the ones flying in most of the stuff. The UK military is also just getting involved. I haven't noticed anything about other militaries.
They can be delivered on horseback, but the idea is to get things in as fast and efficiently as possible to better contain the outbreak.
If all aid workers and supplies got flown in on military vehicles, this would reduce the commercial demand to nearly nothing, as I doubt there are many tourists or business people wanting to go there right now.
Not enough demand would mean private airlines cancelling all flights. A government enforced travel ban would not be needed in that scenario.
The fact that there is a debate over banning commercial travel, would suggest that the government has not been able to efficiently meet the transport needs of the relief agencies.
And it's not as if flying aboard military aircraft makes one immune to ebola.
Some US troops battling Ebola in Africa to have direct contact with potential patients | World news | theguardian.com
"any soldier who is exposed to Ebola will be flown back to the US for treatment."
In Spain it isn't about politics, liberal or not, it is about three things:
Corrupt
Stupid
& Lazy
Spain is NOT a first world country when it comes to anything that really matters. Come and live here for a few years and you will laugh at the fact that it doesn't matter what party comes to power, everything will be just as fucked up and EVERYONE is on the take.
Saying all that it's a great place to live, if you can disconnect from all that
Ebola ain't no joke...
Ebola Scare on US Airways Flight 850 from Philadelphia to Punta Cana - October 8th 2014 - YouTube
It's a matter of national murica security now, and if you believe otherwise, you better STFU...
Outbound plane? No matter.
Ebola Scare on US Airways Flight 850 from Philadelphia to Punta Cana - October 8th 2014 - YouTube
It's a matter of national murica security now, and if you believe otherwise, you better STFU...
Outbound plane? No matter.
It just happened. "Breach of protocol", apparently.
Ebola: Texas nurse tests positive - CNN.com
I think it's safe to say there's no medical system in the world ready and equipped to handle an ebola outbreak. The only places that are equipped and properly trained for this are things like level 4 CDC centers, but there's not exactly a huge number of them floating around the world.
One nurse breaking protocol means that our entire healthcare system is unprepared, seriously? Is there no room in your logic for the inherent fallibility of human individuals - without extrapolating this to some form of systemic failure?
This isn't like writing/executing code - one 'string' malfunctioning does not in any way indicate a systematic failure or inability of the larger system to operate. (I apologize if that's a sloppy metaphor - I'll be the first to admit that my technical skills are lacking, or at least not a strong point at all).
You're confusing BSL guidelines with transmission-based precaution guidelines.
Transmission Based Precautions - These are the guidelines for treating a patient infected with a given pathogen based on mode of transmission, infectivity and some other pathogen-specific factors. Ebola simply just isn't any more infective than a long list of other diseases which these precautions regularly prove effective for.
Biosafety Level Criteria - these are measurements used to ensure that we can work with, experiment and weaponize (hehe) these pathogens without creating a novel vector of infection in the first place.
Direct handlers/caretakers becoming infected with various forms of haemorrhagic fever is nothing new, the margin of error is unimaginably small - and like I mentioned above, human fallibility.
In spite of this, these secondary infections to handlers have never lead to a pandemic in a first-world medical system: Outbreaks Chronology: Ebola Virus Disease | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC
Notice all the incidents on there that originated in laboratory settings, the ones which would have been under the (same or similar) BSL regulations you hold so highly. Must be a systemic failure there, too.
People make mistakes, slip, trip, drop things - but this does not mean that the entire system has failed. It is not "safe to say" any of what you have said above, it is inflammatory and ignorant.
It's exactly because people make mistakes, that all precautions should be taken to not have to deal with these mistakes.
The tragi-comic thing about this is that the CDC in the US and every other smug doctor in Europe, has been parotting the party line that it could never happen here because the standards and organization is so high. Then when it happens, it is 'human error' of which they a couple days earlier was sure would not be allowed because of such an advanced system.
It is an insane form of hubris and arrogance which seems unexplainable unless you understand that the mind of the liberal/cultural-marxist/progressive is not a rational mind but a damaged narcisstic mind in which he or she is several tiers above the plebs and evil conservatives. It's a life of constant cognitive dissonaince, when reality over and over again crashed with dogmatic beliefs. For this reason, such people are experts at constantly twisting their beliefs and facts with new excuses. They are very good at it, because they have had so much experience at it, that this total incongruenty barely registers.
The tragi-comic thing about this is that the CDC in the US and every other smug doctor in Europe, has been parotting the party line that it could never happen here because the standards and organization is so high. Then when it happens, it is 'human error' of which they a couple days earlier was sure would not be allowed because of such an advanced system.
It is an insane form of hubris and arrogance which seems unexplainable unless you understand that the mind of the liberal/cultural-marxist/progressive is not a rational mind but a damaged narcisstic mind in which he or she is several tiers above the plebs and evil conservatives. It's a life of constant cognitive dissonaince, when reality over and over again crashed with dogmatic beliefs. For this reason, such people are experts at constantly twisting their beliefs and facts with new excuses. They are very good at it, because they have had so much experience at it, that this total incongruenty barely registers.