Atheists going Mainstream even on ABC Family Channel?

Then teach me o wise one; if you saw CNN come out and say something so opposite of their usual red & blue games, how would you address it on a thread on this board without offending people like yourself?

I think your oversensitivity to perceived preachiness has kept you from hearing the message when in fact no preachiness ever existed.

The point is that vehemently attempting to convince others that there is no God is forcing your own beliefs down their throats while at the same time denouncing Hardcore Christians and Islamics makes you a hypocrite.

That's why hardline atheists = faggots as ly2 said.

Real atheists are like potheads: you just wanna chill on your couch, play some xbox and not be all worrying about other peoples shit or who's doing this and that. You dont believe in a higher power, and you don't really care if anyone else does either.
 


For the most part, only hardcore religious people or hardcore atheists would pick up on anything out of the ordinary with that song. The song "Dear God" by XTC is much more blatant and didn't change the world or anything, despite it being in regular rotation on MTV years ago when they mostly played videos.

On a related note, ABC Family has about as much to do now with what most people would consider family television as Music Television does with music. Shows on ABC Family now have high schoolers in sexual relationships, violence, lesbians, etc.

The channel was founded by the Christian Broadcasting Network and for years has been completely different than the way it used to be.
 
The apocalypse is near! REPENT!

Honestly i've never even heard of this chick. Bieber is pretty open about his faith too and he gets googled more than God.
 
Here's one way:

Don't blow out of proportion shitty little songs on a made for TV movies that will be forgotten next week into...the second coming of Jesus Facepalming Christ.
I was simply, calmly, rationally, and informatively reporting on a completely unheralded piece of information that I felt was newsworthy to the WF atheists, which are afterall the only atheists I have any contact with on a daily basis.

Comparing what I said to the "second coming of Jesus Facepalming Christ" is kinda funny but not even in the same ballpark. In fact I find it quite misleading.


The point is that vehemently attempting to convince others that there is no God is forcing your own beliefs down their throats while at the same time denouncing Hardcore Christians and Islamics makes you a hypocrite.
Who would do such a thing? I know of no one like that at all.

Real atheists are like potheads: you just wanna chill on your couch, play some xbox and not be all worrying about other peoples shit or who's doing this and that. You dont believe in a higher power, and you don't really care if anyone else does either.
Describes most of my life to a T. Now I'm smarter and like to watch for trends, like the ones we often talk about here in STS.


Moxie said:
On a related note, ABC Family has about as much to do now with what most people would consider family television as Music Television does with music. Shows on ABC Family now have high schoolers in sexual relationships, violence, lesbians, etc.

The channel was founded by the Christian Broadcasting Network and for years has been completely different than the way it used to be.
I knew about its' christian roots but not about its' current transformation. (I honestly don't watch TV at all... The movie entered my house via DVD because my wife loves Cinderella stories...)

Anyway, thank you for clarifying Mox! It does explain a bit more how this happened.


Honestly i've never even heard of this chick. Bieber is pretty open about his faith too and he gets googled more than God.
Thank you for underlining my point.

To Atheists: The OP was meant to inform you of a subtle yet powerful advance we have apparently won. I didn't want to start a flaming war so I didn't phrase it like "Woo hoo! Team A Scores a touchdown!!!! YAYY!!!!" -But apparently some of you can't read so I have to mention that here.

To Theists: The OP was meant to inform you of a new obsticle you have to keep your children from. Not that I want you to do so, but I consider myself a fair reporter and some of you good people. So take it if you want it.
 
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I'm confused. Song doesn't match video.

And don't let the name fool you. ABCFamily channel has many programs that I would never let my children watch. Secret life of an american teenager, pretty little liars, the lying game...

Maybe family means you, your mom and your grandma?
 
I truly don't think you're seeing the significance of this... We're talking about the ABC family channel, not some random website or movie here...

MILLIONS of tweeners, for the very first time in the entire history of this Continent, are now singing lyrics that will put them at odds with the bible!

And ABC family/Disney did this!

This is the equivalent of CNN reporting on how stupid american politics are and saying that you should never vote for anyone on teams red or blue!

This is a very major change or fuckup on ABC's part and will result in a huge wave of atheism in the US in the coming years... This song is very, very popular and obviously snuck into tweeners' heads underneath their parents' radar.

You don't think such a event in American history is worthy of a thread here?


I was simply, calmly, rationally, and informatively reporting on a completely unheralded piece of information that I felt was newsworthy to the WF atheists, which are afterall the only atheists I have any contact with on a daily basis.

Comparing what I said to the "second coming of Jesus Facepalming Christ" is kinda funny but not even in the same ballpark. In fact I find it quite misleading.

Dude... you seriously need to stop arguing with Hellblazer.

Your hypocrisy and flip flops in the various threads always make me shake my head as an alleged proponent of logic and science.

The only reason you 'win' any arguments is because you seem to be the only person with enough time to multi-quote in threads for 6 or 7 pages (like you've done above) until the other person is exhausted.


INB4...... No i will not bother to go and find any of your other flip flops and stance changes mid thread because i've done so above I don't have time.
 
Dude... you seriously need to stop arguing with Hellblazer.
You could say that to or about anyone though! ;)

Your hypocrisy and flip flops in the various threads always make me shake my head as an alleged proponent of logic and science.
I just don't see it. Where was the hypocracy here? Where was a flip-flop?

I just saw something unusual and attempted to present it as fairly and logically and UNBIASED as I could. -Reading over it again, especially the parts that you have highlighted, it appears I did my job well.

The only reason you 'win' any arguments is because you seem to be the only person with enough time to multi-quote in threads for 6 or 7 pages (like you've done above) until the other person is exhausted.
6 or 7 pages? Please. We're still on page 1. Only halfway down it. Now who's being hypocritical here?

No i will not bother to go and find any of your other flip flops and stance changes mid thread because i've done so above I don't have time.
Nor did I wish to take the time to defend myself from this attack. :error:


All I know is I'm glad she's 22 so I don't have to feel guilty about wanting to smash that.
I hear ya! That's actually the #2 reason this thread was started, in fact. ;)
 
LETS DO THIS!

You could say that to or about anyone though! ;)
True.

Your hypocrisy and flip flops in the various threads always make me shake my head as an alleged proponent of logic and science.

The only reason you 'win' any arguments is because you seem to be the only person with enough time to multi-quote in threads for 6 or 7 pages (like you've done above) until the other person is exhausted.

6 or 7 pages? Please. We're still on page 1. Only halfway down it. Now who's being hypocritical here?

I am talking about other threads. For clarity 'various threads' should read 'various *other* threads'. But you should have picked up on that.

Also ... that wouldn't be hypocritical, that would be exaggeration.

I just don't see it. Where was the hypocracy here? Where was a flip-flop?

You've honestly nearly left me speechless on this one.

This thread so far:

First you raise the alarm. Suggesting that this could be a really big deal and a major shift in policy from ABC family or that ABC is too stupid to notice. It doesn't get more anti-christian than that.

About 8 posts of 'are you serious, bro?'

They don't like it. So that means its time to really raise the alarm. Let's take this up a notch. They just aren't convinced! For the first time in history people are saying things that are anti-bible (i could write a whole post on how that is wrong). MAJOR event in American History! (lulz)

dchuk thinks your trolling.

Alleging that this song on ABC family is an attack on the very fabric of our christian establishment (lulz again). That the christian right has failed. That they've given up trying to fight a loosing battle.

Various other 'dude really?' responses

But but but.. you should be THANKING ME. OMG! does no one hear the alarm bells i'm rining?

ly2

This is as big as CNN telling people not to vote!!! Why doesn't anyone believe me!

hav3n: Give it a rest.

But why? I'm not blowing anything out of proportion.



But you are... (and see all of above).

but... but...
FORUM MULTI-QUOTE ATTACK!!!!!! I WILL NOT BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

And here we are...
 
LETS DO THIS!
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I am talking about other threads. For clarity 'various threads' should read 'various *other* threads'. But you should have picked up on that.
Nu-uh. Your whole quote:
you seem to be the only person with enough time to multi-quote in threads for 6 or 7 pages (like you've done above) until the other person is exhausted.
The word "Above" means IN THIS THREAD. That's what I was refuting. (I'll plead no contest to the fact that I've run on too long in the past.)


Lots of assumptions in there. But I believe your whole problem here is your interpretation of what I was here to do in the first place. You use the phrase "Raise the Alarm." -But this simply is not the case, nor is it close.

In the first place it would only be in a Christian's best interest to 'raise the alarm' over a trend of anti-Christianity in ABC's programming. Clearly I am not a christian, as witnessed by several dozen other threads on this board and even by many of the comments on this thread like Ly2's, so really, your whole point is moot.

Secondly, about the severity of the newsbreaking I did; why do you assume it was on par with "Raising Alarms" instead of me simply posting pics of a hottie in a forum called "shooting the shit" and mentioning to my buds that ABC did something strange with this hottie...

I mean really, it's as if I said "Hey, that hot chick farted" and you replied: "No need to murder her with an axe dude, we should just walk the other direction..."

More big assumptions. I wasn't so much "taking it up a notch" as I was trying to explain that it was a fart and not a sonic weapon. People like yourself simply didn't get what I was trying to say in the OP.

Wow... I believe you took that quite a bit too far there. This song, intended or otherwise, _IS_ an attack on the fabric of the christian establishment, which is obvious. I can't believe you would have any problem with that statement alone, do you?

To go on to attribute me with saying: "the christian right has failed. That they've given up trying to fight a loosing battle" is completely fabricated and makes me think poorly of your arguing skills.

I do feel what many atheists here in this forum have voiced many times that the establishment (including media like ABC) is obviously christian in this country and that they would usually always want to keep things slightly on the christian side of non-religious... Because obviously they're job is to sell stuff to this country chocked full of christians, so it's not like I'm talking conspiracy, it's just business as usual.

I felt this aberration from their norm was an unusual event, newsworthy enough for the STS section of WF to mention. I did not submit it to any news outlets, even atheist ones; I promise.

I have blown nothing out of proportion. It _IS_ newsworthy, but it is not the end of christianity, nor is it any of the other fabricated statements you tried pinning on me.

Really, go back and read the OP and take it for what it means. I said it was unusual, not a sign of the end of freaking Christianity!


Again, I'm atheist, so I obviously don't want to ring alarm bells. And Again, that's you blowing the proportions, not what I intended at all.


I did not say "as big as," nor did I ask why no one believed me. Those are both your incorrect inferences.

What I did do that appears to have elevated things in post #28 was mention the significance of ABC family/Disney pumping out content that bashes the bible to millions of tweeners.

This was done for clarification, not to say "OMG DA SKY IZ FALLIN!" I don't do that. I felt the need to clarify because posts numbers 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, & 9 all seemed to have missed the point. If just one or two posts had missed it, I would have not felt the need to make post #10.

I do not know of any other times when ABC or Disney either, or for that matter ANY other Childrens programming has on this Continent throughout its' entire history ever published any such lyrics or sentiments so at odds with the bible. Do you?

I may be mistaken, but even if I am you have to admit it's not common.

So I thought it was therefore newsworthy enough for STS. If it isn't someone has yet to explain that to me. Although Moxie & Turbo have a point about how ABC Family isn't such a children's safehaven anymore, I still doubt it or any other network of that size in the USA has ever heavily promoted such anti-christian lyrics.

If I am wrong please show me; it would genuinely give me a little more hope for humanity.
 
And since no one else is going to answer my question above I'll answer it my own self:

B.

...By process of elimination... Americans certainly don't appear to be getting smarter!
 
Very ant-Christian, and I can't believe you guys have missed this:

The girl's name is Lucy Hale.

This was also the name of John Wilkes Booth's fiancee.

Booth shot and killed Abraham Lincoln.

Abraham Lincoln said:

"That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrepect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular. "

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You claim you clearly and calmly presented the news (which i do think was interesting btw).
I think you blew it out of proportion to get more attention and when others called you on it, you back-peddled.


Agree to disagree.

I'm no longer going to continue to argue on the internet.
 
I'm confused. Song doesn't match video.

And don't let the name fool you. ABCFamily channel has many programs that I would never let my children watch. Secret life of an american teenager, pretty little liars, the lying game...

Maybe family means you, your mom and your grandma?

Wow I agree w Turbo!!

ABC Family is Not a family channel: anymore than The Learning Channel has any useful programing.

Mine are in their teens now and we watch PLL together -- decent show.

Too fuckin drawn out though.
 
LETS DO THIS!

True.



I am talking about other threads. For clarity 'various threads' should read 'various *other* threads'. But you should have picked up on that.

Also ... that wouldn't be hypocritical, that would be exaggeration.



You've honestly nearly left me speechless on this one.

This thread so far:

First you raise the alarm. Suggesting that this could be a really big deal and a major shift in policy from ABC family or that ABC is too stupid to notice. It doesn't get more anti-christian than that.

About 8 posts of 'are you serious, bro?'

They don't like it. So that means its time to really raise the alarm. Let's take this up a notch. They just aren't convinced! For the first time in history people are saying things that are anti-bible (i could write a whole post on how that is wrong). MAJOR event in American History! (lulz)

dchuk thinks your trolling.

Alleging that this song on ABC family is an attack on the very fabric of our christian establishment (lulz again). That the christian right has failed. That they've given up trying to fight a loosing battle.

Various other 'dude really?' responses

But but but.. you should be THANKING ME. OMG! does no one hear the alarm bells i'm rining?

ly2

This is as big as CNN telling people not to vote!!! Why doesn't anyone believe me!

hav3n: Give it a rest.

But why? I'm not blowing anything out of proportion.



But you are... (and see all of above).

but... but...
FORUM MULTI-QUOTE ATTACK!!!!!! I WILL NOT BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

And here we are...

There's good advice hidden in this post.
 
Isn't PLL the show she's a regular on?

Do they have any anti-christian underpinnings on that show?

Yeah that looks like her. I'm not into actors at all, so i wouldn't know her name.

And I'm pretty sure the pope wouldn't watch it in front of any of his flock.