There is so much irony in the shit you say.
People complain about the jobs issue. Now, what is IRONIC about that. The same REPUBLICAN DOUCHEBAGS pushing for these laws are the same ones that employ the "illegals". Nanny's, Yard workers, Gardeners, Picking in the fields.
Really? So the republicans who own these companies you speak of account for ALL republicans?. They probably make up .005% of ALL republicans. And i'm sure no Democrat ever employed an illegal alien. God Forbid.
Oh and lets address you as a capitalistic fucker shall we. If those same companies lose the "illegals" you hate so much. Who do you think will end up paying for it. I will give you a hint. Starts with Y middle letter is O and the last one is U.
These companies, will just pass the cost on to you. So either way you are getting fucked. I suppose which way is an order of preference.
The cost is currently being passed to all of us. They don't pay income taxes into the system (and employers don't pay for payroll or insurance), yet they use the resources. Where does the revenue come from to pay for those resources? Answer: Everyone else who pays taxes.
And i bet the amount of taxes that would be made up by employers paying payroll taxes would probably be greater than the increase in the cost of goods
On draining the economy. They help the economy as they keep the cost of shit down. They pay local tax everytime they go to the store and buy something. Not all illegals pay no taxes. Some own homes and pay property tax on them. Live with someone who does and helps them pay it.
Again, they don't pay income taxes, but more importantly, their employers don't pay payroll taxes, which means the lost revenue has to be made up somewhere: everyone elses taxes.
Also they don't pay emergency room bills and they surely don't pay rent to be in jail. All of those costs have to be made up by everyone else. The increase in an Illegal's wage to meet minimum wage if the employer had to go legal would likely not have as great of an increase on the cost of goods as the benefit from the Govt. being able to get payroll/income taxes as well as communities not paying for hospital bills and penitentiary occupancy.
The problem with the law in AZ isn't that it is trying to get "illegals" out of the state/country. It is basically racial profiling, who do you think are going to be targets of this thing. People that "look" like "illegals" to me that would be trampling on my liberties as an American.
Do you even know what the law is. It isn't going up to everyone on the street that looks mexican and asking for ID. The person in question first has to be a suspect of some sort (i.e. pulled over, intoxicated in public, domestic abuse etc. Called "Lawful Contact". See the bill...) One the cop is there, he can ask to see papers. This is already a federal requirement anyway, AZ is just going to start enforcing it.
Now, as far as the "illegals" and immigration reform. We need a better system in place to allow them to come here. Like someone stated having to wait 10+ years is just insane.
Whatever wait there is, it corresponds to the # of applicants in line. The only way to shorten the wait time would be to increase the number of immigrants we let in, but allowing too many immigrants, especially unskilled workers, could be pretty bad for both our economy and culture
The reform needs to address more things then hunting them down and shipping them out. Though this will never happen here is what I think needs to be done.
1. Easier and more open borders. I better process to allow immigrants to come to our country.
2. A special working visa, That allows an employer to pay them like $1 less in minimum wage.
3. With this special visa - There would be an incentive and certain tax breaks for employers to hire them. Now I know OMG Affirmative Action but...
So all in all it sounds like you want to make it easier for immigrants to find work over existing citizens? Why should immigrants get dibs over citizens?
These lower wage people will help the economy grow. Put certain restrictions on the percentage a company is allowed. Say 5-10% of the employees are allowed at this special Visa.
Remember a lot of employers just simply go over the borders to do things anyway. Doing something like this would help keep the jobs we lose here. Would you rather lose all the jobs to a different country or some of the jobs to immigration reform.
Why not just lower the minimum wage by $1 nationwide? If you think that minimum wage exists because wages lower than it are immoral, then why should immigrants have to take wages below minimum wage? That sounds....racists?
4. Build programs and assistance to help them actually come here and offer them jobs. These employers can hire them from a pool of some sort. They would have to offer certain things to make sure the immigrant has a decent transition. Maybe some housing provided by larger employers.
Perhaps requiring immigrants to speak a basic level of english will make their transition easier and help them contribute more to our society?
5. Stricter and stiffer penalties on companies who are caught hiring "illegals" This is one thing that people never seem to think about. Is it easier to get to the companies or the illegal aliens. There are penalties but they are not stiff enough. I have seen bus loads of "illegal immigrants" shipped out from a company. Only for that same company to have another 50 back with in a week.
Right on here
You need to stop blaming the people that come here and look at the enablers ie companies offering the jobs and such.
That's like saying you can't blame the thief, but you should blame the wealthy man who left his door open. Stealing is still stealing. And you are right that employers are at fault too, but you can't say they are more at fault then the people sneaking across the borders.
