Are you in a better place than you were 5 years ago?

In 2009 after I recovered from the surgery I felt fantastic. Also as a young guy that otherwise looks healthy and always got shit from people for "pretending to be sick" this shut those fuckers up good.

Man, I can relate to that. I felt like a million bucks after surgery, adopted a DGAF lifestyle after losing all my $$$ and started over. And people treat you so much differently if you have some visible marks from surgery.

April 2013:
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I started a new job 9 days later. I have a big hole in my skull where you can stick your finger through the bone. Those surgeons are morbid as hell, chopping you up with power tools.
 


I had a colostomy bag from 2009-2011 and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. You can do a ton of things with it still like go swimming ect and my gf didn't care so I really had a DGAF attitude about it and wasn't always trying to hide it. The key issues were:

1. Couldn't lie on stomach - simple pleasure in life and important for a message or something.
2. Always had to bring supplies on me in case something happened and needed to replace.
3. Can't do high end really rough physical activities like wrestling/MMA.


It had some huge benefits too though. In 2009 after I recovered from the surgery I felt fantastic. Also as a young guy that otherwise looks healthy and always got shit from people for "pretending to be sick" this shut those fuckers up good.

In 2011 I had a few surgeries that switched to what they call a "J-Pouch" which is basically just trying to make a tiny colon with some small intestine. The 2 big problems here are it's small so I have to go many times a day and also I haven't been able to pass gas since without going to the bathroom so that causes more bathroom trips and bathroom urges. I've been much more uncomfortable and in more pain really with the J-pouch. Traveling was much easier with the bag really. Been told it can take up to 10 years to full get used to and adapted to it though.

Overall though it's been nothing I couldn't handle with the support of friends and family. Haven't really had to deal with my hardship in life besides this and I don't think it's that bad of a deal. LazyHippy really puts things into perspective with his post how much rougher life can be than what I've had to deal with.

Definitely very excited about what medical advances we will see in our lifetime. I have a feeling I'll have to wait awhile even after they start growing organs successfully because in my case it would really be "elective" surgery I don't need to live. Seeing as how at first there will be decent risks to how the body takes the new organ no surgeon will likely want to do it until the procedure becomes safer over time.

Thanks for your concern and congrats on your business as well!

I remember when we met up in ( man its been sooo long, was it SF or SD? 2008 or 2009? ) you told me about this during our lunch with you and your GF.

I was thinking to myself that you look pretty good for such a condition.

Glad to hear things have changed for you and they seem to be heading in a better direction hopefully.

I know your out of Cali now, so when I make a connecting flight in your state again, lets hook up.
 
I had a colostomy bag from 2009-2011 and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. You can do a ton of things with it still like go swimming ect and my gf didn't care so I really had a DGAF attitude about it and wasn't always trying to hide it. The key issues were:

1. Couldn't lie on stomach - simple pleasure in life and important for a message or something.
2. Always had to bring supplies on me in case something happened and needed to replace.
3. Can't do high end really rough physical activities like wrestling/MMA.


It had some huge benefits too though. In 2009 after I recovered from the surgery I felt fantastic. Also as a young guy that otherwise looks healthy and always got shit from people for "pretending to be sick" this shut those fuckers up good.

In 2011 I had a few surgeries that switched to what they call a "J-Pouch" which is basically just trying to make a tiny colon with some small intestine. The 2 big problems here are it's small so I have to go many times a day and also I haven't been able to pass gas since without going to the bathroom so that causes more bathroom trips and bathroom urges. I've been much more uncomfortable and in more pain really with the J-pouch. Traveling was much easier with the bag really. Been told it can take up to 10 years to full get used to and adapted to it though.

Overall though it's been nothing I couldn't handle with the support of friends and family. Haven't really had to deal with my hardship in life besides this and I don't think it's that bad of a deal. LazyHippy really puts things into perspective with his post how much rougher life can be than what I've had to deal with.

Definitely very excited about what medical advances we will see in our lifetime. I have a feeling I'll have to wait awhile even after they start growing organs successfully because in my case it would really be "elective" surgery I don't need to live. Seeing as how at first there will be decent risks to how the body takes the new organ no surgeon will likely want to do it until the procedure becomes safer over time.

Thanks for your concern and congrats on your business as well!

That was a real eye opening post. With the colostomy bag was there ever any leakage issues? Or does it work out well with proper maintenance?

Damn sorry to hear that the J-pouch is so cumbersome for you. Hopefully it'll improve for you over time. Was that an elective surgery?

If the J-pouch doesn't improve for you, can you go back to the colostomy bag until something better comes along?

This thread is probably the best thread of 2015.
 
Glad to hear so many of you are doing better! To those that aren't hopefully things will turn around - this world is full of opportunity.

For me a better mark would probably be 6.5 years ago - right about when I first started dedicating all my time to AM trying to get that first successful campaign my last year in college so I wouldn't have to get some crappy job when I graduate since besides a degree my qualification were lacking on a resume.

I was very lucky and had some big wins in my first 6 months. Also it was very fortunate that I had hit some big money when I was 13 and had already experienced blowing money on worthless crap. So I've never really inflated my lifestyle much and even with the ups and down that comes with running affiliate campaigns times have never been tough financially and the bank account pretty much only grows.

However because of that I've found myself in a similar situation to you a number of times. If I don't need the money to pay the bills next month what keeps me working instead of just being lazy?

Here are some of the things I've done:

1. Restrict the activities I allow for myself unless I accomplish certain goals
2. Keeping it fresh with new stuff often enough
3. Take a 9-5 consulting position to see how much that can suck (it actually wasn't that bad because I worked with a few great people but the huge Fortune 50 company itself would do the dumbest stuff at the board level which killed any potential fun)
4. Read about other peoples success stories
5. Maintain a strong relationship with my GF and now wife traveling and doing things together. Find a woman/partner you are truly compatible with and not just some you are only waiting to have sex with whenever you are hanging out and things can be awesome.

Sometimes I've had a strong focus on number 1 over the years. I'm a big advocate of self discipline is the key to motivation. Punish yourself if you don't do what you are supposed to. It can feel so good when it finally turns. And by punish I don't mean self harm or anything stupid like that I mean tell yourself if you don't get X done today your not going out with friends tonight but instead cleaning the house and going on a 5 mile run.

I certainly didn't "solve" the problem and some weeks and even months did just feel a bit directionless. Here are some other things I've done the last 1.5 years that have really helped. However this was only possible because money wasn't an issue.

1. Start a business with W2 employees, equity partners and a physical office

2. Spend time thinking about what I enjoy and want in life and work for that. For me it's building up enough assets that no matter what happens to my income I'll be secure. I just had 2 twin girls in the last week (our first kids) and I want to be able to raise them as a full time dad without having to worry about work. Also enough money for easy international travel 1-3 times a year with the family.

The key problem I think most people have is they don't really know what THEY want in life. They are simply out to impress other people or as you said OP your dad. Even if your dad had not passed this is just not a sustainable strategy for most people.

Saving money to buy a car you really don't care about but really just want to show it off is a great way to kill motivation.

If you're not sure if you care about something but only want it to show it off to others think about it this way. Would I still want this if I could never tell/show anyone about it? Some guys would still love to take a sports car to the track every weekend no matter what but the majority just want to impress others.

If you have no clue what you want in life it's tough to be motivated. For me it's being able to stop working very early in life and not worry about money so I can spend time with my girls, play video games and maybe get good enough at golf to beat my dad before his game starts going from age.

Lastly my health. I've got Crohn's disease and had my entire colon removed, my health is not great to say the least. If there is some new medical technology to get a new colon in 20 years I sure as hell don't want to have to pass it up because I don't have the money. Not having a colon is pretty shitty, literally.



My mom has Crohn's disease and I think yours is more extreme case of it, she did try some Indian herbal medication that helped a lot, if I get the name of it, ill pm you, she's not in the states at the moment, but major motivational post, Thanks
 
Oh the glory days. 5 years ago I had 30 remote computers set up all over the US raping the shit out of CL. Let's just say, I was making enough money to buy a new house every month. It was fucking great. It wasn't unusual for me to wake up and book two first class tickets to the Caribbean on a whim. I had no restrictions.

Easy come, easy go. A year later CL sued me, and it all came crashing down.

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/candce/4:2011cv03308/243096

Good think I diversified my portfolio nigga!

**Disclaimer - I, John Stover have not posted on Craigslist since 2011, except for the occasional ad searching for someone to "toss my salad". All ads posted since, fully abide by Craigslist terms of service.
 
Oh the glory days. 5 years ago I had 30 remote computers set up all over the US raping the shit out of CL. Let's just say, I was making enough money to buy a new house every month. It was fucking great. It wasn't unusual for me to wake up and book two first class tickets to the Caribbean on a whim. I had no restrictions.

Easy come, easy go. A year later CL sued me, and it all came crashing down.

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/candce/4:2011cv03308/243096

Good think I diversified my portfolio nigga!

**Disclaimer - I, John Stover have not posted on Craigslist since 2011, except for the occasional ad searching for someone to "toss my salad". All ads posted since, fully abide by Craigslist terms of service.

Pardon me if I'm being stupid, but... you were spamming Craigslist, so they sued you for trademark infringement? How does that work?
 
Pardon me if I'm being stupid, but... you were spamming Craigslist, so they sued you for trademark infringement? How does that work?

Sued him for ToS violations in civil court.

Most likely, sent him several C&Ds, he didn't comply, so they took him to court.
 
Pardon me if I'm being stupid, but... you were spamming Craigslist, so they sued you for trademark infringement? How does that work?

They accused him of more than just trademark infringement

COMPLAINT for: (1) Copyright Infringement (2) Violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act; (3) Violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act; (4) Violation of California Penal Code 502; (5) Trademark Infringement; (6) Trademark Infringement Under California Law; (7) Breach of Contract; (8) Inducing Breach of Contract; (9) Intentional Interference with Contractual Relations; (10) Fraud; and (11) Violations of California Business and Professionals Code (Summons Issued); jury demand; against Paradigm AMO Corporation, John L Stover ( Filing fee $ 350, receipt number 34611061844). Filed by Craiglist, Inc. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit- A to Complaint, # 2 Civil Cover Sheet)(bw, COURT STAFF) (Filed on 7/6/2011)
 
They accused him of more than just trademark infringement

This. It was the typical, throw enough shit against the wall and something is bound to stick. I fought it for a bit and finally settled. I wasn't about to fight a thousand pound gorilla. Not worth it.

The best part of this story is I called Aaron Kelly for legal advice. He basically told me that I was fucked and to lube my anus up.

Hahahaha...

Thanks Aaron!
 
I'd hardly call Craigslist a thousand pound gorilla. Myspace tried the same thing with me and I fought it very hard. All individual defendants were dismissed from the lawsuit.

Perkins and Coie? You don't consider them big?

When you're a small business, whom has no experience with getting sued, it's pretty intimidating bro. Perspective. If you have your own legal department, I'm sure it's a bit different, but for some dude that works on his couch in his underoos, it's pretty fucking scary.
 
Perkins and Coie?

Pretty sure Myspace used Perkins and Coie too or some other over rated big lawfirm, I don't remember which one off the top of my head. I just remember Myspace had 3 lawyers representing them. I had 1 lawyer who operated from a one man law firm defending 3 people and 1 corporation, not my own legal department.

But I was prepared for that lawsuit well before it was ever filed. Did the thought of you being sued ever cross your mind while you were doing the things you did on CL? Or did you think "Nah it won't happen to me" and then got burned hard?

It's all about planning ahead bro.
 
Pretty sure Myspace used Pekins and Coie too or some other over rated big lawfirm, I don't remember which one off the top of my head. I just remember they had 3 lawyers representing them. I had 1 lawyer who operated from a one man law firm, not my own legal department.

But I was prepared for that lawsuit well before it was ever filed. Did the thought of you ever being sued ever cross your mind while you were doing the things you did on CL? Or did you think "Nah it won't happen to me" and then got burned hard?

It's all about planning ahead bro.


Been at this a long time bro. I'm no dummy. I understood the risk. You think it will never happen to you. I learned a hard lesson with this. Again, this was over 4 years ago. I've evolved tremendously since then. It's a blip on the radar in my business affairs.

The title of this thread is, "Are you in a better place than you were 5 years ago?". To answer the question, yes I am, because I'm not doing borderline BH shit. I'm totally legit now (I work at McDonalds full time in Seattle). Shit's legit bros. $15 an hour.
 
Been at this a long time bro. I'm no dummy. I understood the risk. You think it will never happen to you.

How can you say that you understood the risk and then say in the next sentence "you think it will never happen to you."?

If you think it'll never happen to you then you clearly did not understand what you were getting into because you did not prepare yourself. That's the difference between how I handled my Myspace lawsuit and how you handled your Craigslist lawsuit.

I was prepared for the worst case scenario, factored it into my cost of doing business, and had a very aggressive defense plan setup on day 1.

So what do you do these days? Last time I've seen you post, you said you did SEO. Did you save any of that CL money and reinvest into other businesses?
 
I think he was more prepared than Martin G

That's without a doubt. Jstover77 lawyered up and can tell the difference between a real lawyer and a fake lawyer. Jstover77 also understands the consequences of using a fake lawyer to play games with the court.

I'm also sure Jstover77 learned from his mistakes, which is something I doubt Martin will be able to accomplish.
 
So what do you do these days? Last time I've seen you post, you said you did SEO. Did you save any of that CL money and reinvest into other businesses?

That is correct. Our emphasis is on SEO, but we also do PPC, Social Media etc... I also own equity in a couple companies in the automotive space, which do very well.

You are correct though, I had a feeling it was coming, and started to diversify well before. My point was, even though I had the feeling it was coming, it still doesn't hit you until the sheriff shows up to your house and serves you the papers. Then it becomes real.
 
it still doesn't hit you until the sheriff shows up to your house and serves you the papers. Then it becomes real.

I disagree because the Myspace lawsuit wasn't my first rodeo so I was used to this sort of thing already and was mentally prepared for it. I didn't need a reality check from the sheriff.

How long have you been doing that sort of thing before CL hit you? I've been at it since the 90s back on AOL.