any gamblers on wf?

You should know as an affiliate man that there are always terms and conditions to those deposit bonuses, such as the wagering requirements before you can bank out.

I know thats why I said you need to play mathematically perfect while trying to CLEAR your bonus. Clearing the bonus refers to the wagering requirements. Should have put it more clear.

I actually did this successfully when I just turned 18 and was thinking of shit that I could do with my new credit card. Naturally I headed to the online casino so I deposited $200, and got $400 of chips to play with because of the 100% bonus. The playthrough/wager requirement was 30x so I had to wager $6000. Thats 6000 hands of Blackjack at $1 bets. The online casino pump hands out QUICK and it only took me about 2-3 days of casual play to clear my bonus. My roll was about $800 by the end of it, so I was running good according to variance, so I ended up with +$600 for a few days of playing blackjack behind my computer screen which wasn't bad at all for me at the time. Plus it was pretty fun doing it.

As I said before, while trying to meet your wagering requirements, there's a good chance due to variance that you lose your roll, or even be up a little. Bonus whoring is just a way of decreasing the edge when it comes to gambling.
 


I know thats why I said you need to play mathematically perfect while trying to CLEAR your bonus. Clearing the bonus refers to the wagering requirements. Should have put it more clear.

I actually did this successfully when I just turned 18 and was thinking of shit that I could do with my new credit card. Naturally I headed to the online casino so I deposited $200, and got $400 of chips to play with because of the 100% bonus. The playthrough/wager requirement was 30x so I had to wager $6000. Thats 6000 hands of Blackjack at $1 bets. The online casino pump hands out QUICK and it only took me about 2-3 days of casual play to clear my bonus. My roll was about $800 by the end of it, so I was running good according to variance, so I ended up with +$600 for a few days of playing blackjack behind my computer screen which wasn't bad at all for me at the time. Plus it was pretty fun doing it.

As I said before, while trying to meet your wagering requirements, there's a good chance due to variance that you lose your roll, or even be up a little. Bonus whoring is just a way of decreasing the edge when it comes to gambling.

That makes sense, the only problem would be when you run out of casinos/sportsbooks to abuse lol.

Most of the betting that I have done in the past is football betting. In the future would like to build up a huge bankroll and bet on low risk outcomes. Think £10,000 at a time for Barca to beat some tardy team like Getafe, which they'll likely win by a comfortable 3 or 4 goals. You'd get shitty odds like 1/8, but over £1200 in the bag for such a likely outcome is just too easy. Across the globe, there are many teams with a huge advantage over piss poor teams so there will always be bets around the clock to make easy monies. Most gamblers lose, but the pros know the game inside out. They always throw huge stakes on very low risk outcomes. Nice way to make a million and the profits are always tax free.:)
 
I'd be careful with that system. Remember the casino wants you to win in the short term because their expectations (about 52% at the roulette wheel) work in the long term. So even if you are up over a certain time period, statistically they are supposed to win that money back as long as you keep playing.

As far as blackjack goes, its definitely your best bet in the casino as long as you practice basic strategy and if possible, learn how to count cards (easier than it looks). It's one of the only games in the casino where the player can gain a higher expectation than the house because its one of the only games where past events have an effect on what will happen in the future. For example, when you see a lot of low cards coming out, it's more probable that high cards will be coming out soon, thus allowing you to place your bets accordingly, where as in the other games like craps or roulette, even if red comes out 10 times in a row, the next roll or spin is completely independent of the past events.
 
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and, this!
 
Fuck I lost $500 tonight.

I got impatient and wasn't waiting for 5-6 blacks to appear consecutively before betting on red.... there were only 4 tables open so the patterns weren't showing up like they usually do with more tables open on friday-saturday night.

no more casino for awhile.
 
Blackjack is horrible. I've been recently playing craps, and I'm getting good at that. As for roulette; if you want an edge play the row above the (row: color, 1-15, 15-36, odd/even). That row will have 3 sections and pays 2 for 1 win. What I tend to do, is put down for sake of argument, $1.00 on each of those two three boxes. You purposely lose one, but by doing so you cover 66% of the board and win 66% of the time. :-) I stay away from roulette, but if you play -t hats the way to go.

It's not 66%. Learn to do math.
 
Fuck I lost $500 tonight.

I got impatient and wasn't waiting for 5-6 blacks to appear consecutively before betting on red.... there were only 4 tables open so the patterns weren't showing up like they usually do with more tables open on friday-saturday night.

no more casino for awhile.

For your own fucking sake, I hope you're trollin.

Otherwise, you need to go read a book about probability.
 
Gambling is for suckers, unless it's done rarely for entertainment.
Take that gambling energy and use it towards a real business or investment.
 
Fuck I lost $500 tonight.

I got impatient and wasn't waiting for 5-6 blacks to appear consecutively before betting on red.... there were only 4 tables open so the patterns weren't showing up like they usually do with more tables open on friday-saturday night.

no more casino for awhile.

Why don't just spend your money split testing stocks on the NASDAQ? That's what smart people do.
 
Gambling is for suckers, unless it's done rarely for entertainment.
Take that gambling energy and use it towards a real business or investment.

Or if you have to gamble, play a game that actually requires skill, i.e. poker.

There are some very smart pros that make a lot of money and they do certainly have skill.

I'll give you an example of what I was talking about before with the high stake, low risk strategy...

In the Scottish Premier League season (just finished) Glasgow Rangers won the league with the record: won 30, drew 3, lost 5. We'd be betting high stakes on each game for the win. If this was the case then each time Rangers drew or lost we would then use a similar progression as discussed in this thread to cover that loss. Well, last year Rangers never had a chain of two bad results and so when they did draw or lose then they always won the next game and so our chain was never broken all season. Take into consideration as well that some of the draws and losses were against Celtic and these were games we wouldn't have been betting on. I believe out of all the draws and losses (8 total) there was only 3 games that they didn't win that were upsets. This doesn't matter though because they won the following game to maintain that chain. The stats don't lie. There is money to be made if you know your stuff.
 
Sports betting - one of my fascinations tons of geekery to be pursued with it.
Statistics, machine learning, betting systems... (swoon)

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There are some very smart pros that make a lot of money and they do certainly have skill.

I'll give you an example of what I was talking about before with the high stake, low risk strategy...

In the Scottish Premier League season (just finished) Glasgow Rangers won the league with the record: won 30, drew 3, lost 5. We'd be betting high stakes on each game for the win. If this was the case then each time Rangers drew or lost we would then use a similar progression as discussed in this thread to cover that loss. Well, last year Rangers never had a chain of two bad results and so when they did draw or lose then they always won the next game and so our chain was never broken all season. Take into consideration as well that some of the draws and losses were against Celtic and these were games we wouldn't have been betting on. I believe out of all the draws and losses (8 total) there was only 3 games that they didn't win that were upsets. This doesn't matter though because they won the following game to maintain that chain. The stats don't lie. There is money to be made if you know your stuff.
Ok, so you won money. That's how gambling works, though, sometimes you win. Just like sometimes roulette lands on the same number 5 times in a row.

Keep doing that in the long run, see how much money it makes you.


(there's a reason you never see anyone in a nice suit going into the bookmakers)
 
progressive winning in blackjack works. I've never played roullette, craps, etc. I play no limit texas hold em and if I get pissed off at a shitty call or if I misplayed a hand and busted out I'll go play blackjack for a little while to take a break.

There was a long time where I thought I could play blackjack for a living lol. I played small money and always left up or even, I literally never lost. My system is playing by the book, and the betting system was a progressive win. I think the table was $100/minimum and $3000 maximum. So i would bet $100, if I won I'd go up a unit to $200. If I lost I'd go back down to $100. I eventually ran out of luck and now it's literally 50/50 on whether I win or not playing black jack. I can play perfectly, with the best betting system possible and still end up losing $2000 within 30-45 minutes.

Stick to poker.
 
Sports betting - one of my fascinations tons of geekery to be pursued with it.
Statistics, machine learning, betting systems... (swoon)

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Same here EMP lol.

Ok, so you won money. That's how gambling works, though, sometimes you win. Just like sometimes roulette lands on the same number 5 times in a row.

Keep doing that in the long run, see how much money it makes you.


(there's a reason you never see anyone in a nice suit going into the bookmakers)

I don't throw thousands on low risk bets at this time, I have 20 sites that I work on pretty much all the time. The point is that I showed evidence that Rangers never had a chain of two bad results and so using high stakes on the wins all season would have won a lot of money. When there was a draw or loss a progressive system would have quickly won that money back (if the chain of bad results increased then the progressive backing increases each game). Teams like Barcelona and FC Porto had excellent records as well and also never had a chain of two bad results. Yeah, you don't see someone with a nice suit coming out of the bookies, because bookies are for tards wasting money on horses that keep those places in business. You may have heard of this thing called the interwebs?!
 
Holy fuck this thread pretty much goes to show how casinos make so much money, even a internet forum filled with people who supposedly internet savvy, who would be able to find the answers that none of their theories work in 5 minutes of the internet, still think they have an idea of how to beta the system.

what the fuck is this:

Blackjack is horrible. I've been recently playing craps, and I'm getting good at that. As for roulette; if you want an edge play the row above the (row: color, 1-15, 15-36, odd/even). That row will have 3 sections and pays 2 for 1 win. What I tend to do, is put down for sake of argument, $1.00 on each of those two three boxes. You purposely lose one, but by doing so you cover 66% of the board and win 66% of the time. :-) I stay away from roulette, but if you play -t hats the way to go.

As far as I know blackjack, when played perfectly, is your best bet in a casino as it has the smallest edge, unlike roulette or craps though it has a certain skill to it, so people can play poorly and lose money.


Dealt roulette for 8 years on the Vegas strip. Always had a good laugh at the guys who had the "system" to beat the game.

2 things -

1. Your system of betting red after you see a few blacks is one of the worst "systems" you could possible use. Stay with the streak never bet against it.

The better system is the same used by many of the smarter gamblers, "progressive win", and that is to progressive bet a small amount more then the previous bet after each win. Bet 10, win, then bet 15, win then bet 20,win, bet 30 etc. After a streak of 5+ red or black you will be winning large amounts while risking only the houses money. The wheel will streak 15, 20 or even 25 of one color quit often and I've seen people lose way more than they could afford using your flawed strategy.

FACT - Good roulette dealers can consistently manipulate what sections of the wheel the ball will land in, so don't piss your dealer off.

2. Everyone wins at gambling - Almost every person who sat at the table was, as they said, a winner over the long run. If a person wins $1000 one time but loses $500 10 times you will ONLY ever hear about the time he/she won the $1000, it's just human nature.

There is no good way to to bet on roulette, and there is no good system, if i were to give you a good system for betting on roulette it would be to bet as little as possible as infrequently as possible. No matter how you bet on the roulette table, in what pattern shape or form, you lose theoretically lose a small % of the money you put in, the more money you bet the higher your theoretical loss is (in $.) so increasing your bet size goes only to increase your theoretical/estimated losses.

And betting for or against streaks also has absolutely nothing to do with anything .If the table gets 300 blacks in a row, the next ball is an isolated result, and it is no more likely to go on red than it is on black.

The only thing I cant comment on from own experience is how a roulette dealer can decide where the ball lands or not as i have never dealt on a roulette table. But the fact that you after 8 years of working as a dealer on a roulette table and still have no clue about the statistic and profitability of roulette makes me doubtful for you as a trustworthy source of gambling information.

It is probably more a product of what you mentioned yourself about how every gambler is a winner due to selective memory, when you are dealing at the roulette table and think you are going to aim the ball somewhere, every time you will miss you will think "oh well close enough" or "cant nail them all" and whenever you are right, a small % of the time, you think to yourself "oh my god i am a master of roulette i can aim close to perfectly :stonedsmilie:"

One thing that makes me pretty confident that roulette dealers have absolutely no control over the ball, is that if they did, casinos would have automated this process a looooooooooooooong time ago. They would not trust potentially millions of dollars into the hands of roulette dealers paid a measly xx$ /hour. And if roulette dealers could control the ball and casinos let them, casinos would be taken to the cleaner several times a day by hustling roulette dealers.

From my perspective as an outsider looking at the physics of it, it would seem easier to mechanically cheat craps than the roulette table, both being pretty close to impossible anyway.

poker and blackjack are the only gambling I can bring myself to play. Any other games of chance are spent loosing money that I could have used to increase my bankroll playing 21 or poker.

Like most others have said, martingale will kill you in the long run. But, OP glad to here you're up.

What is this I dont even. If you play blackjack you are losing money. Blackjack is a losing game, if you play perfectly you will be losing your money pretty slowly, but it is still not going to be profitable.

If you want to be profitable through gambling here are your options.

1) Cheat. (Counting Cards/Weighted Dice, go james bond on their asses and put magnets under the roulette tables.)

2) Poker (or other similar games) where there is skill involved, and you are playing against other players not the house.

3) Sports Betting. To be profitable in sports betting though you either need to have more information\ a better grasp of a sport and the 2 teams playing\competing than the gambling place you are betting on by a decent amount, so you can find the soft spots and bet there (which is pretty hard to do in the first place since they have several experienced people working on putting up the odds, and the odds are supposedly made to be losing propositions on both sides.) And/or have inside information, preferably both at the same time and you can potentially make some profitable bets in sports.

4) Bonus Whoring.

Have not done the math on this but I assume there must be some casinos that have bonuses that statistically break even or lose a very small amount of money if people play perfectly and cash out as soon as they get the bonus. This would probably not be very profitable in the long run though and would require more time than its worth in terms of profit.

Outside of poker, taking papajohns approach to gambling is your best bet (he-he) where you realize you are losing a small portion of your money every time you bet, but look at it as the price you are paying for the entertainment you are getting while gambling. As far as I know Blackjack if played perfectly is the game that has the smallest edge to the house.



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I've done the Martingale system, although I never knew it had a name. If you want to win with this system you've got to bet a lot and for a long time. Can really be nerve racking. Just a heads up