Very well said.
lets face it, we can all argue and call each other names, but in the scheme of things our opinions don't mean squat, so this is all just a waste of time. Where's Suddenly Ass to lighten this bitch up.
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Very well said.
lets face it, we can all argue and call each other names, but in the scheme of things our opinions don't mean squat, so this is all just a waste of time. Where's Suddenly Ass to lighten this bitch up.
There are laws against excessive consumption on public property and while driving a vehicle? I don't really get your point, alcohol is about as regulated as its going to get without full on prohibition.
You can't drink and drive
You can't get drunk in public
Most states have certain times or days you can't buy it
You have to have a license to sell it
You have to be a certain age to consume it
After that, it's the discretion of the consumer to decide how much they'll drink. As someone who has two parents literally drinking themselves to death I hate the thought of alcohol abuse as much as you but ultimately, alcohol abuse is a personal choice or action. My parents can't forcibly kill me with alcohol, neither can anyone else. No one can kill a classroom of children with a bunch of whiskey.
I think alcohol/drugs vs guns is not an appropriate comparison as they're fundamentally different things. Comparing unhealthy foods to alcohol is a much more apt comparison especially considering the health risks of obesity in America.
Not to nitpick but I can think of 2 or 3 ways I could kill someone with alcohol/whiskey.
Well sure but you could do the same with too much water. How about this, there aren't any drive by boozings
Actually people can and do drive drunk and get drunk in public, so that is personal discretion as well. Regarding age of consumption I'm sure you had a drink prior to being 21 just as many others have. So really the only hard regulations are time of sale and license, both of which can be bypassed through the purchase of illegal liquor.
See a parallel with guns to any of this? Yes it could be regulated more, but that will just end in more "laws" being bent or broken to achieve the end goal of the individual.
Further regulation only impacts law abiding citizens. Do you think the criminal is going to wait around for a 3 day wait to get a gun?
Many of the hoops you want people to jump through already exist. There are safety courses required for hunting an concealed carry. The government already does background checks an keeps a list for sales of new guns. Felons, mentaly disturbed, drug users, wife beaters ect are already eliminated from many if not all privileges of gun ownership. Do you think this means they don't have guns? Your an idiot if you think regulations will keep you safe from criminals. It only keeps guns out of the peoples hands that would never dream of using them illegally.
Let's say you win and there is an all out prohibition on guns. Make it illegal to posses a fire arm. Will that make you safe? Will that mean everyone turned in their guns? What kind of person do you think might say fuck the government and keep their guns? The law abiding citizens that make up the vast majority of gun owners?
Or the criminals?
Many of the hoops you want people to jump through already exist. There are safety courses required for hunting an concealed carry. The government already does background checks an keeps a list for sales of new guns. Felons, mentaly disturbed, drug users, wife beaters ect are already eliminated from many if not all privileges of gun ownership. Do you think this means they don't have guns? Your an idiot if you think regulations will keep you safe from criminals. It only keeps guns out of the peoples hands that would never dream of using them illegally.
Let's say you win and there is an all out prohibition on guns. Make it illegal to posses a fire arm. Will that make you safe? Will that mean everyone turned in their guns? What kind of person do you think might say fuck the government and keep their guns? The law abiding citizens that make up the vast majority of gun owners?
Or the criminals?
Well sure but you could do the same with too much water. How about this, there aren't any drive by boozings
You should come to England brah. You haven't seen anything yet.
Sorry, until you start following along with what I'm really saying, I can't really listen to the rest of your argument. I'm saying we need stricter regulation and licensing for gun owners, I don't think a prohibition is reasonable or even feasible.
but dchuk, excessive consumption of alcohol serves no beneficial purpose for society, and is in fact more harmful than violence due to firearms.
where is the outcry?
where is the rush to legislate?
either you care about public health, which is why you want stricter gun control, (in which case you should be all for stricter regulation of alcohol consumption), or you don't care about public health, in which case your argument for increased regulation regarding firearms is rooted in the fact that they scare you.
which is it?
Regulating firearms is not the same as regulating alcohol. I could go buy all the cake in my area right now and probably get pretty damn close to killing myself by gorging on it. No amount of regulation or prohibition will ever be able to stop over-consumption, we all know this.
Guns have nothing to do with consumption, so your two options for me are fallacious. It's entirely reasonable for me to demand more regulation for guns without regulating alcohol more as they are fundamentally and categorically different things.
Overconsumption of cake doesn't lead to innocent people (who don't even eat cake) dying.
Overconsumption of alcohol does.
This doesn't make any sense. So if you kill yourself with alcohol you're innocent but if you kill yourself with cake you deserved it?
Or are you referring to drunk drivers? Because in that instance, what about cell phones? Texting while driving? That phone and car is my private property, that's my own personal decision to text while driving. Should that not be regulated?
Just gloss over the fact that there are already strict regulations, mandatory safety courses, background checks, and it's already illegal for most gun carrying criminals to posses the guns they have. When we already have the things you outlined prohibition is the logical next step.
Go try to legaly buy a firearm, and then come back and tell me I am wrong.
I never talked about alcohol and self-destructiveness, my focus has been on how people who overconsume alcohol sometimes hurt others, and how it's similar to the way that people who own guns sometimes hurt others.
On the one hand you seem to think that guns need to be regulated because they have the potential to cause harm to people, and on the other hand you are arguing against stricter regulations on alcohol because there are already plenty of regulations in place, then, magically, you produce a third hand (nice trick), that contains a duplicate of your gun control argument, only this time you apply it to cell phones.
If you think that people need to be prevented from gaining easy access to products that have shown a demonstrable history of harming others, so be it, but at least apply that sentiment uniformly, and stop talking about cake.
Drugs should be legal too, all of them without exceptions. Do you want to be treated like a little kid or do you want to live like an adult with full responsibility for your life? Come on the choice is obvious. I was born in the USSR and trust me you don't want socialism.
Honestly you've gotten smoked by too many ppl in this thread. Just admit your defeat.
I call for the Department of Diet. We should be regulating how many calories people consume on a daily basis.
Obesity-related illnesses kill appx. 112,000 people yearly according to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/PDF/Frequently_Asked_Questions_About_Calculating_Obesity-Related_risk.pdf)
It's time to take action before before fast food companies kill more, and more people kill themselves.
Obesity-related illnesses kill appx. 112,000 people yearly according to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/PDF/Frequently_Asked_Questions_About_Calculating_Obesity-Related_risk.pdf)
It's time to take action before before fast food companies kill more, and more people kill themselves.
He's saying that overconsumption of cake doesn't kill anyone other than the person who ate it.
Overconsumption of alcohol can kill others around you through random acts of violence or drunk driving.
Guns aren't consumed, so this is where the alcohol/guns comparison forks a little bit. When it comes to death of innocents, in both cases it is the personal choices of the owner of the alcohol or of the guns that defines whether or not irresponsible actions are carried out that result in the deaths of innocent bystanders.
Someone chooses to drink too much and get into a car, just as someone chooses to take a gun and shoot someone.
Another thing that alcohol and guns have in common is that a gun can go off and hit someone when an irresponsible owner is cleaning it, and that is an example of an unintentional accidental death. In this case, the gun owner may be forgetful - not necessarily a psychopath. Regardless, it was the owner's choice to ignore standard gun safety procedure.
For alcohol, a person can accidentally drink too much, and with the diminished judgement, can get behind a wheel. In this case, the drinker could be anyone - even someone who is normally quite sane and responsible. However, it was still the drinker's choice to consume the beverages.
Texting while driving is also a choice that a driver makes that can get others killed.
Bottom line: it is the choices that human beings make which can cause or prevent the death of innocents. Regulation certainly can prevent certain people from acquiring certain things, but it cannot prevent someone determined to cause mass-murder from carrying out their plans. To try to prevent mass-murder by increased regulation of firearms is an entirely futile ambition that is founded on nothing more than irrational hysteria. Mass murder can only be prevented through addressing the issues, frustrations and mental illnesses of a nation's citizens that drive them to seek the deaths of others.