Another shooting, close to
- Thread starter Dresden14
- Start date
yeah, let's ban guns, but let police and the state have them. sounds like a good idea, except if you consider history..
....Read a fucking book, the Fuhrer did not ban guns from the German citizens, but instead took them from the Jews which is completely ok seeing they are not people.
I think elimination of assault weapons would be a great start, there's no reason at all for any normal person to own one. After that, much more strict regulation in terms of who can own a gun, in terms of psychological evaluations, etc.
I honestly think we should force citizens to obtain and renew periodically a gun license just like you have to do with a drivers license. You should be required to pass a shooting and safety test just like with a drivers license as well.
I can't begin to see how such a system could be rallied against as no one seems to mind our drivers license system and I'm sure it helps keep our roads somewhat safer.
I'm not arguing with you here but without seeing statistics for gun ownership/sales over the same time frame it's hard to really draw a conclusion from a drop in violent crime. It could be because there are less guns, or better regulation of gun sales that is causing that for all we know.
You're saying this like firearms bring about a sense of commradare that can't be obtained anywhere else. I'm sure guys who geek out over RC cars on the weekends feel the same sense of commradare and what they own can't be used to kill dozens of innocent people at a time.
I realize some people fucking love guns and enjoy shooting them for fun, but that doesn't justify ownership. I'm sure heroin addicts fucking love doing drugs and rapists love raping but that doesn't mean we should just make it legal because people derive pleasure from the activities.
not much of a John Locke fan are you?
The fact is that property precedes government, and the rights associated with property ownership also precede government.
There is no need to justify ownership of any property to a governmental entity.
Argue against that all you want, but be aware of what you are arguing for if you do.
I'm actually not that liberal, I just think guns are fucking stupid. I am pretty fiscally conservative for the most part, I'm just not opposed to government regulation of certain things.
Surely if he had a liberal agenda he wouldn't be supporting gun regulation? Doesn't really add up.
And it's also a bit silly to think all liberals are stupid. There are plenty of intelligent people who believe all sorts, right or left, authoritarian or liberal.
John Locke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm arguing that guns are not beneficial to human society, and that because of that, they should be heavily heavily regulated, which is NOT dispos[ing] of the estates of the subjects arbitrarily. So my argument is in line with Locke's philosophies (which, by the way, are not facts...just philosophies)
In my opinion, we need heavy regulation of guns in the same way we need heavy regulation of traffic laws and speed limits on roads: to ensure the safety of the population at large.
I have never said guns should be completely illegal, I'm saying they need to be more thoroughly regulated.
Clearly, when it comes to people who use firearms to hunt for game or who wish to preserve that as an option in the future, firearms are beneficial to individuals, and as a result, society as a whole.
I'd wager that they are also beneficial in situations where "order" breaks down, however temporarily. New Orleans in 2005, and Staten Island this past September spring to mind as examples of situations in which private ownership of firearms may have contributed to an atmosphere of increased order, rather than increased chaos. It's hard to quantify exactly the effect that signs that read "Looters Will Be Shot On Sight" have on a disorderly populace, but I'm betting it generally discourages looting and other anti-social behavior.
Why do you think it's acceptable for the government to regulate the acquisition of private property? Because of the potential for misuse? If that's your argument, motor vehicles should be much more heavily regulated than firearms, as should alcohol, and a host of other items that carry a heavy potential for misuse, abuse, and harm.
An argument for gun control, or gun regulation or any of it is essentially an argument against private property, and while the prospect of a mentally ill person with an automatic weapon terrifies me to no end, the idea of living in a world where I have to ask permission to employ the fruits of my labor in the manner that I choose is far more frightening.
I just can't understand how we've gotten this far in this thread and no one has mentioned that the reason the 2nd amendment gives us guns is so that we, the people, can fight an out-of-control government?
Every last person who ever wanted to "regulate" a gun wanted to destroy that balance of the government serving the people, and not the other way around.
We've already suffered a lot of losses on our freedoms since the Brady bill... Meanwhile short-sighted fools are actively trying to ensure we can't do anything at all to retaliate if the POTUS pulls a palpatine on us... Just sad.
Every last person who ever wanted to "regulate" a gun wanted to destroy that balance of the government serving the people, and not the other way around.
We've already suffered a lot of losses on our freedoms since the Brady bill... Meanwhile short-sighted fools are actively trying to ensure we can't do anything at all to retaliate if the POTUS pulls a palpatine on us... Just sad.
dchuk - I can't tell you how many times I read about stories of homeowners in Detroit shooting invaders as they're coming through the door. I'm not talking about the nice comfy suburbs where I live either, I'm talking about in the hood. Older people that can't get out who are constantly under assault from people that have no respect for other peoples life or property.
It saddens me to think about those people because I know that they often end up as victims and I read about it everyday. But when I read the stories about them fighting back and shooting that piece of shit coming through the door it brings a smile to my face because I know that justice was done.
In your world, those people are destined to be forever victims with many of them raped and/or killed by the dregs of society. But in my world they get to live another day and enjoy what's left of their time on this earth.
Remember, the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no legal duty to prevent crime. Relying on them is naive, self-reliance is key.
It saddens me to think about those people because I know that they often end up as victims and I read about it everyday. But when I read the stories about them fighting back and shooting that piece of shit coming through the door it brings a smile to my face because I know that justice was done.
In your world, those people are destined to be forever victims with many of them raped and/or killed by the dregs of society. But in my world they get to live another day and enjoy what's left of their time on this earth.
Remember, the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no legal duty to prevent crime. Relying on them is naive, self-reliance is key.
I specifically outlined an idea earlier in this thread for requiring extensive gun licensing in order to own a gun, just as we do for automobiles. Vehicles are pretty well regulated and I guarantee it lowers deaths caused by vehicles. I think that guns should be MORE regulated than vehicles because at least cars serve a fucking purpose in society.