AdAngler Scam Network

......Continued.....

I hope this settles this thread peacefully. Everyone here besides my old partner has contacted me and have been cared for. All payments went out on-time June 30th for those still on NET30. All payments went out for my weekly pubs on Friday, July 1st. And all payments will be heading out on July 15th for everyone bumped to NET15. Anyone needing assistance can contact me directly by email, if you need to talk over the phone please ask anyone here for my personal cell phone. I give those who have it my permission to pass it along to anyone in need. I assure everyone no matter what the situation, I will always treat you with great respect.
 


Nothing you say will bring back any rep you had here. I know that I wouldn't send you traffic personally and I never even spoke to you.

A man is supposed to protect his reputation like gold and if he doesn't value his he won't value yours...

From an outsider's POV you come across like a drunkard and a sociopath and if a network here EVER outs my weekly commission amount on WF I'd never work with them again.

So.. tl;dr/
 
danke said:
Nothing you say will bring back any rep you had here. I know that I wouldn't send you traffic personally and I never even spoke to you.

A man is supposed to protect his reputation like gold and if he doesn't value his he won't value yours...

From an outsider's POV you come across like a drunkard and a sociopath and if a network here EVER outs my weekly commission amount on WF I'd never work with them again.

So.. tl;dr/
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I agree, and totally understand. My company is my life and this thread pushed me over the edge to see it slandered. I appreciate your POV and take full responsibility for my actions. My posts were meant as jokes.

Only my 2 pubs: wheinrome and Korrupt know what went on behind the curtain. If they feel like sharing, that's their thing.

If they feel things were not handled the way I said and expressed in the above post I invite them to tell everyone.

wheinrome asked me for a public apology because he did not find this humorous. I agree this wasn't appropriate. I stepped up and gave him and everyone the "real deal" as promised, no joking around. wheinrome is a great pub and my team screwed up.

I personally and honestly don't care what is said here, when I was a publisher I used WickedFire for fun all the time just like this.

To everyone offended, I respect your decision to be serious, I was mistaken that this was a bs forum. I know boundaries and would never overstep them if I believed they were here. This place is filled with PORN, you tell me if that comes off serious.

I will always honor any publisher who feels wrong has been done by any means of compensation they see fit. I clearly violated wheinrome trust and good name. I apologize and as I made it clear to him, I will make it up anyway I can. He can always call on me for a favor.

Other than the post about his payment, Korrupt understood I was joking. He is still an active publisher, sending us all his traffic and is still raking it in!

I'm sorry if things had to change here, but I am always willing to adapt and own up to my actions.

Korrupt's payment amount was never meant to be outed publicly, I am and have been working on getting it deleted. I'm sorry it was a mistake. I just wanted to get the word out fast that he was paid in full, I didn't think it through!
 
AdAnglerMichael said:
Someone please convince me this place is professional. I want to comment so bad on this thread...but I can't because everyone thinks I'm unprofessional.

A MUST READ POST TO THOSE WHO WANT EXTRA INCOME IN YOUR HOME!!! CLICK NOW...
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Then you probably should of joined the forum under a generic name, and not told us you where a "network business fancy pants".

You have to know the culture here, yeah we aren't "serious" because we are the affiliates. You are the network and generally we expect some sort of professionalism out of the company we are making money for. Now, not saying your a bad guy but you pretty much fucked up the majority of wicked fire's opinion of your business. You should of apologized and just stop posting.

Anyways, good luck. :xomunch:
 
danke said:
I'm starting to think it doesn't take a lot to start a network...
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Yeah enjoy that...I started my first on 75K. Back in 2007 or 2008. Impossible now.

The problem is the lawyers and the contracts: 15K minimum
This includes contracts for your staff. Non compete ect...
Contracts for advertisers.
Contracts for affiliates.
Or you could just steal others TOS and wait for the lawsuit to come to you.

Then the website, if you can't build it: 12k-15k professional ad agency/web design firm.

First months advertising: 4k-6k

At least 3 AM's: 30k a year salary each

Accountant: $500

Company: $350

Tracking Platform: My first was DirectTrack, enjoy a $30k-50k price with a never ending contract for set up. $200 an hour for CSS designer. lol

Monthly Platform fee: $1750

Overages for over 300k clicks, $3.00 every 1000. Do the math if some comes in with buyhitzcheap!

Overages for server usage. 1k a month

SSL: $250 a year DT.

More overages, read your contract they are in there: $500 a month

Compliance manager: 30k-40k salary

Network manager: 30k-40k salary

Accounting staff member, necessary to keep advertisers in line and the payments showing up. 30k-40k salary

Lawyer for deadbeat advertisers: 10k-25k a year

Lawyers for posts like these: 10k...(I personally don't care I know my network is good, I do have a damb good Lawyer for this crap but I use him to make enemy's. I give everyone a warning before I whip that out...drama!)

Computers for staff. I personally have all my employees on 27" iMac's, so we don't get viruses and I have software installed that lets me know what's going on.

5 staff members to start: 2k a pop = 10k

Remote workers or Office? More cost..

Each Trade-show: minimum 15k

Trade-show booth 15k-40k

Want me to keep going?
 
AdAnglerMichael said:
Yeah enjoy that...I started my first on 75K. Back in 2007 or 2008. Impossible now.

The problem is the lawyers and the contracts: 15K minimum
This includes contracts for your staff. Non compete ect...
Contracts for advertisers.
Contracts for affiliates.
Or you could just steal others TOS and wait for the lawsuit to come to you.

Then the website, if you can't build it: 12k-15k professional ad agency/web design firm.

First months advertising: 4k-6k

At least 3 AM's: 30k a year salary each

Accountant: $500

Company: $350

Tracking Platform: My first was DirectTrack, enjoy a $30k-50k price with a never ending contract for set up. $200 an hour for CSS designer. lol

Monthly Platform fee: $1750

Overages for over 300k clicks, $3.00 every 1000. Do the math if some comes in with buyhitzcheap!

Overages for server usage. 1k a month

SSL: $250 a year DT.

More overages, read your contract they are in there: $500 a month

Compliance manager: 30k-40k salary

Network manager: 30k-40k salary

Accounting staff member, necessary to keep advertisers in line and the payments showing up. 30k-40k salary

Lawyer for deadbeat advertisers: 10k-25k a year

Lawyers for posts like these: 10k...(I personally don't care I know my network is good, I do have a damb good Lawyer for this crap but I use him to make enemy's. I give everyone a warning before I whip that out...drama!)

Computers for staff. I personally have all my employees on 27" iMac's, so we don't get viruses and I have software installed that lets me know what's going on.

5 staff members to start: 2k a pop = 10k

Remote workers or Office? More cost..

Each Trade-show: minimum 15k

Trade-show booth 15k-40k

Want me to keep going?
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You should of spent a few dollars on learning how to handle people and when to reply appropriately. You're still missing the point. It's okay though, we're all amused.
 
danke said:
You should of spent a few dollars on learning how to handle people and when to reply appropriately. You're still missing the point. It's okay though, we're all amused.
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I'm just helping everyone understand that my life isn't all fun and games. It takes a responsible adult to run a network. And that is why I hired Sandra. JK

Seriously though, the commitment put in is tremendous. Be my guest to start one.

Ad Angler has been here since 2009, bottom line. If this is the first you are hearing of scams then we have are shit together. Yes, we dropped the ball recently, yes we fixed this problem. But honestly, with the amount of affiliates we have taken on and revenue we have to control. I am looking at over 35k in outstanding debts from advertisers that are a month overdue. It takes lawyers and money to run a network. Hard work and passion. Sometimes an issue happens and someone or two are neglected. At least you have someone, it may not be the person you think is entirely sane. But at least there is someone here posting for Ad Angler.

A real scam would blow this thread off completely. No posts!

I will be here forever if that is what it takes!
 
Some friendly advice Michael.

You have apologized and explained the situation, there is no need for this excessive posting, it is making you look like a very unhinged person. Just stay quiet and move on and you might save what is left of your reputation. But if you keep posting you will find your existing affiliate base will decline rather rapidly.

And if, in the future, another affiliate posts here with a genuine complaint then the appropriate action would be to contact them directly and solve the problem. Once solved you can then KINDLY ask the affiliate to post a follow up on the thread. DO NOT POST YOURSELF, you are your own worst enemy.

I hope this helps as, although I do enjoy the drama as much as the next guy, I really don't like to see people commit business Hari-Kari for no other reason than their own ignorance of how to manage their PR.

Maybe an on/off Breathalyzer for your PC might be in order too. We've all been there, but in your case there is probably more at stake.

Good luck!
 
AdAnglerMichael said:
Yeah enjoy that...I started my first on 75K. Back in 2007 or 2008. Impossible now.

The problem is the lawyers and the contracts: 15K minimum
This includes contracts for your staff. Non compete ect...
Contracts for advertisers.
Contracts for affiliates.
Or you could just steal others TOS and wait for the lawsuit to come to you.

Then the website, if you can't build it: 12k-15k professional ad agency/web design firm.

First months advertising: 4k-6k

At least 3 AM's: 30k a year salary each

Accountant: $500

Company: $350

Tracking Platform: My first was DirectTrack, enjoy a $30k-50k price with a never ending contract for set up. $200 an hour for CSS designer. lol

Monthly Platform fee: $1750

Overages for over 300k clicks, $3.00 every 1000. Do the math if some comes in with buyhitzcheap!

Overages for server usage. 1k a month

SSL: $250 a year DT.

More overages, read your contract they are in there: $500 a month

Compliance manager: 30k-40k salary

Network manager: 30k-40k salary

Accounting staff member, necessary to keep advertisers in line and the payments showing up. 30k-40k salary

Lawyer for deadbeat advertisers: 10k-25k a year

Lawyers for posts like these: 10k...(I personally don't care I know my network is good, I do have a damb good Lawyer for this crap but I use him to make enemy's. I give everyone a warning before I whip that out...drama!)

Computers for staff. I personally have all my employees on 27" iMac's, so we don't get viruses and I have software installed that lets me know what's going on.

5 staff members to start: 2k a pop = 10k

Remote workers or Office? More cost..

Each Trade-show: minimum 15k

Trade-show booth 15k-40k

Want me to keep going?
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UR DOING IT WRONG
 
AdAnglerMichael said:
Ha, your network is so cute. Do you have a tracking platform picked out yet?

Where is the www. your url? Not professional...

Is this really your full affiliate sign-up form?

Affiliates | Fresh Ads Media

Where is your contact info? Just a form, that's it?

Contact us | Fresh Ads Media

Ok, lets let everyone decide. Who would you rather run with?
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With all due respect:

I wouldn't let you park my car if you were the valet.

I've hired movers that were more professional than you.
 
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