A Power Vacuum So Strong I Can Feel It 7,000 Miles Away

[-joe-]

This is such an obvious story we're being told, it's almost as ridiculous as the story of why we needed to invade Iraq after 9/11.

End goal here is for the US to invade Syria. Just watch and see.

I dunno, the Syria BS started before Libya, and no one helped. BBC, Al Jazeera, etc were all against Assad, and invading would have bought us some nice brownie points in the Middle East. Meanwhile, we supported the Libyan revolution, against a leader that lived in a tent (based on a pledge that he wouldn't live in a house until all his people did as well), had social programs to rival many Western countries, heavily democratic, and I think was previously ranked as one of the most free countries in Africa by the UN.

That said, we could be intentionally making things get fucked up, pissing off the Muslim world (fight in any other country, you're a hero, go to fight in Syria, you're joining ISIS and are a terrorist), so we can then make a case for staying there far longer.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

I dunno, the Syria BS started before Libya, and no one helped. BBC, Al Jazeera, etc were all against Assad, and invading would have bought us some nice brownie points in the Middle East. Meanwhile, we supported the Libyan revolution, against a leader that lived in a tent (based on a pledge that he wouldn't live in a house until all his people did as well), had social programs to rival many Western countries, heavily democratic, and I think was previously ranked as one of the most free countries in Africa by the UN.

That said, we could be intentionally making things get fucked up, pissing off the Muslim world (fight in any other country, you're a hero, go to fight in Syria, you're joining ISIS and are a terrorist), so we can then make a case for staying there far longer.

1.) It's obvious the US has wanted to go into Syria for years, right when shit began hitting the fan. The PR campaign against Assad only doubles down on that fact.

2.) The US couldn't go into Syria though, because they had no real justification, and Russia was also standing right there. Russia even sent battleships to Syrian ports, to ensure the US got the message that Syria is off-limits.

3.) US began training and arming rebels to fight against that nasty Assad.

4.) US gave the rebels a mission -- create an Islamic Caliphate, and voila, ISIS is formed with its main stated mission being remove the border between Iraq and Syria. Do you really believe this whole ISIS thing is just a coincidence? Not likely.

5.) US will go into Iraq, wipe out ISIS to save the poor civilians. ISIS will then take stronghold positions at / close-to the Iraq-Syria border, and the US will have no choice but to follow them, in order to destroy the nasty terrorist group. They'll have international and public support to do so as well.

Just watch, that's what's going to happen. This is all one big PR stunt, so the US can invade Syria while making it appear as though they're the good guys. And now that Russia has been internationally vilified, they're working with one hand tied behind their back, so they're not going to be able to defend Syria like they could of a year or two ago.

 

[-joe-]

1.) It's obvious the US has wanted to go into Syria for years, right when shit began hitting the fan. The PR campaign against Assad only doubles down on that fact.

2.) The US couldn't go into Syria though, because they had no real justification, and Russia was also standing right there. Russia even sent battleships to Syrian ports, to ensure the US got the message that Syria is off-limits.

3.) US began training and arming rebels to fight against that nasty Assad.

4.) US gave the rebels a mission -- create an Islamic Caliphate, and voila, ISIS is formed with its main stated mission being remove the border between Iraq and Syria. Do you really believe this whole ISIS thing is just a coincidence? Not likely.

5.) US will go into Iraq, wipe out ISIS to save the poor civilians. ISIS will then take stronghold positions at / close-to the Iraq-Syria border, and the US will have no choice but to follow them, in order to destroy the nasty terrorist group. They'll have international and public support to do so as well.

Just watch, that's what's going to happen. This is all one big PR stunt, so the US can invade Syria while making it appear as though they're the good guys. And now that Russia has been internationally vilified, they're working with one hand tied behind their back, so they're not going to be able to defend Syria like they could of a year or two ago.

1. PR campaign? The PR campaign was against Gaddafi, can you name a news source (Western or otherwise, excluding Russian sources) that supported Assad?
2. They had more justification than Libya. And isn't the point of having a big army so you can fight back against the superpowers, instead of picking on the small countries that can't defend themselves?
3. No, they began training and arming rebels to fight against that nasty Gaddafi (heard so many things from the BBC about him that were plain untrue).
4. ISIS was formed for the reasons I mentioned above, combined with the fact that we didn't help out in Syria, and made helping out in Syria an act of terrorism.
5. Guerilla groups rarely group in a single place, that's the point. Whether the US now plans to fuck with Syria as a result of helping out the countries that shouldn't have been helped, and leaving the others to get screwed is another matter, although diverging US forces in the wake of a potential threat from Russia wouldn't necessarily be the most sensible plan. Also, people are sick of invasions into the middle East, no one wants another Iraq.

Russia remains too big a threat (being so close to Europe) to ignore at the moment. If the US wanted to invade Syria, they would've done it when the revolution started, and then they wouldn't just have had support from the US citizens, they'd also have had support from the Middle East and the Syrian people.

 

[GoldMarketing]

An interesting documentary about arms industry and sale - [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_3Qg-SADY"]The Business of War: SOFEX - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BigWill]

against a leader that lived in a tent (based on a pledge that he wouldn't live in a house until all his people did as well), had social programs to rival many Western countries, heavily democratic, and I think was previously ranked as one of the most free countries in Africa by the UN.

Still so ashamed that this happened. I really feel for those people. Can't believe the US gov did that shit. Was always a fan for him calling out the US, calling the US terrorist, sticking up for his country.

I don't understand how politicians can live with themselves. So much killing and CRAZY self serving shit going on. .gov is Fucked. Cops killing, army killing, everyone killing. US citizen or not doesn't matter. They give no fucks about anybody but themselves.

How do you go bomb a bunch of kids then go play golf the next day without blinking an eye? WTF. They always lie to get into power then completely flip, why is this? Who pressures them? Why do they want world chaos? Or are the simply this stupid?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbw066M-Htk"]The Forgotten War: Libya After NATO - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStratham]

I don't understand how politicians can live with themselves. So much killing and CRAZY self serving shit going on. .gov is Fucked. Cops killing, army killing, everyone killing. US citizen or not doesn't matter. They give no fucks about anybody but themselves.

How do you go bomb a bunch of kids then go play golf the next day without blinking an eye? WTF. They always lie to get into power then completely flip, why is this? Who pressures them? Why do they want world chaos? Or are the simply this stupid?

Politics attracts sociopaths.

The crazy thing is the number of people who participate in the political process. They legitimize a system that rewards sociopaths. They're compelled by fake smiles, false promises, and celebrity while turning a blind eye to the chaos, death, and mayhem their agents cause. They consider themselves good people while approving the murder of innocents.

It's shameful. Politicians are sociopaths. Voters - the ones who give pols the air of legitimacy - are little more than morally-bankrupt dim bulbs.*

This article is worth a quick read. It's not very insightful, but introduces ideas that voters should consider.

Tom Woods presents a litmus test for sociopaths here.

The Onion plays with the idea of sociopathic politicians, and hints at voter idiocy here.





* I know you don't vote Will.

 

[-joe-]

Still so ashamed that this happened. I really feel for those people. Can't believe the US gov did that shit. Was always a fan for him calling out the US, calling the US terrorist, sticking up for his country.

I don't understand how politicians can live with themselves. So much killing and CRAZY self serving shit going on. .gov is Fucked. Cops killing, army killing, everyone killing. US citizen or not doesn't matter. They give no fucks about anybody but themselves.

How do you go bomb a bunch of kids then go play golf the next day without blinking an eye? WTF. They always lie to get into power then completely flip, why is this? Who pressures them? Why do they want world chaos? Or are the simply this stupid?

The Forgotten War: Libya After NATO - YouTube

Agreed, fucking disgusting.

As to your last point, politics attracting the people that want to do that, being up against a lot of other people who want the same position (meaning those who are willing to do things others wouldn't are more likely to win), manipulators being better at manipulating the general public, being encouraged by your PR guys to cross boundaries you wouldn't normally cross, leading you to do worse and worse things, a lack of power when you actually get in office, so you find things that you wanted to do can't be done, combined with the fact that those who are willing to bow to the wills of large corporations are the ones who get their campaigns funded by those large corporations, a lack of power when you actually get in office, so you find things that you wanted to do can't be done... etc.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Right from the home page of good ole FoxNews:

PRESIDENT OBAMA, who has been criticized for once dismissing ISIS as a 'JV team,' is being pressed by Republicans and some hawkish Democrats to commit to battling the militant group in Iraq and Syria.

See, they're going into Syria -- that was the plan all along. What, the entire region isn't destabilized enough, you need to invade Syria now too? What a bunch of cunts.

The worst thing is, the US is actually going to have public and international support for this. This is why the US created ISIS -- to gain support for an invasion of Syria.

 

[-joe-]

Right from the home page of good ole FoxNews:

See, they're going into Syria -- that was the plan all along. What, the entire region isn't destabilized enough, you need to invade Syria now too? What a bunch of cunts.

The worst thing is, the US is actually going to have public and international support for this. This is why the US created ISIS -- to gain support for an invasion of Syria.

Eh? I'm not sure how you read that as 'the US is invading Syria'. Could you explain how that quote in any way states that? If I say 'Some have been asking Obama to wipe Japan off the face of the earth', does that mean we'll start arming the nukes?

 

[Benji49]

Alternate theory:

1.All the Arabs in the Middle East are crazy as shithouse rats.

2.No US president (including Obie) wants to get involved in the Middle East seeing as what happened to other US presidents who got involved in the Middle East (See Bush I And Bush II).

3. Every US president gets drug into the Middle East and gets shit on his shoes because of ....#1.

Seriously guys, the IS is a CIA-construct so the US can invade Syria? Why the fuck would the US want to invade Syria, it doesn't even have any fucking oil.

On the other hand, I do read these threads and laugh out loud, so maybe just ignore what I wrote and carry on.

 

[Instrumentalist]

Just found this on the interwebs. It explains ISIS very well, and I have to say they are are a definite powerhouse being funded by oil and extortion. They cannot be easily ignored. Even Al-Qaeda thinks they're fucking crazy.

ISIS used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq - 16 things about ISIS and Iraq you need to know - Vox

 

[lukep]

Let's not forget that Syria was next in line for invasion on General Clarke's list...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw[/ame]

Really, you've got to be more than a little dense not to see that ISIS's rise isn't just a little too convenient for the US war machine.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Eh? I'm not sure how you read that as 'the US is invading Syria'. Could you explain how that quote in any way states that? If I say 'Some have been asking Obama to wipe Japan off the face of the earth', does that mean we'll start arming the nukes?

Well Joe, the propaganda machine is just getting warmed up here. It's only running at like 10% right now. Give it 2 or 3 months.

Plus remember, mid-term elections are coming up in the US in a few months, and there's a chance the Republicans will take the Senate as well this go around. And we all know how much Republicans love their war!

 

[Andrew Scherer]

Seriously guys, the IS is a CIA-construct so the US can invade Syria? Why the fuck would the US want to invade Syria, it doesn't even have any fucking oil.

It's not just about oil (which they do have), it's about how the oil is sold.

-In 2001 Iraq started selling oil for euros instead of dollars.
-Read up about Libya's "Gold Dinar". He had a neat plan for a gold backed currency for all of africa and was going to stop selling oil for USD, and instead the new gold dinar.
-I think there are only 2 countries that do not sell oil for USD, syria and iran.

 

[Moxie]

Why the fuck would the US want to invade Syria

"Viewed through a geopolitical and economic lens, the conflict in Syria is not a civil war, but the result of larger international players positioning themselves on the geopolitical chessboard in preparation for the opening of the pipeline in 2016."

Pipeline politics in Syria - Armed Forces Journal


How Vladimir Putin and Russia Hope to Win Big In Syria

 

[Christian B]

Hello,

why would USA want to invade Syria (or other Middle east countries) ?

It's just fucking crazy:

1) each time USA put a foot in a middle east, it finished in a incredible chaos. And USA wasn't the winner.


2) Americans do not like to see the bodies of soldiers return home in coffins. At a time, during Irak war, if I remember well, newscasts were not allowed to show pictures of coffins of soldiers at the airport. Americans still believe a war can be done with zero dead. Ah Ah.

3) A war costs money, a lot of money. And USA is in a economic crisis. Do you believe Americans would understand/approve a war which would cost a lot of THEIR money, even if they are not concerned ?

 

[-joe-]

Some people are still talking about ISIS being a CIA construct, etc, and asking how they are funded. I've already posted a link to the $500m bank robbery, or was that all a hoax?

Well Joe, the propaganda machine is just getting warmed up here. It's only running at like 10% right now. Give it 2 or 3 months.

There was no propaganda needed, as I stated, everyone would've supported it when the revolution started.

And why would the US invade Syria, when there's a genuine direct threat from Russia in Europe at the moment? They have to put up a little resistance, to protect their conquests, but it doesn't make sense to start a full blown war.

there's a chance the Republicans will take the Senate as well this go around. And we all know how much politicians love their war!

Fixed.

 

[Benji49]

"Viewed through a geopolitical and economic lens, the conflict in Syria is not a civil war, but the result of larger international players positioning themselves on the geopolitical chessboard in preparation for the opening of the pipeline in 2016."

Pipeline politics in Syria - Armed Forces Journal


How Vladimir Putin and Russia Hope to Win Big In Syria

The US doesn't need Middle Eastern oil anymore. They have got the Alberta Oil Sands and the North Dakota shale oil.

The US exports more in petroleum products (gasoline, kerosene) than it imports crude oil.

Russia cares about the Syrian oil pipeline. Europe cares about the Syrian oil pipeline. But the US?

No.

Occam's razor: The Middle East is fucked up because the Arabs living there are crazy as shithouse rats. Not because of some CIA/NRA/Whitehouse/NRO conspiracy/master plan.

My 2 cents. But then I get paid by Dick Cheney to spread misinformation and plant false flags. So maybe don't believe me.

 

[lukep]

why would USA want to invade Syria (or other Middle east countries) ?

For the same reasons they always do... Our leaders are basically bought and paid for by the military industry and the people have no say in the matter except what we're fed through the mainstream media.

1) each time USA put a foot in a middle east, it finished in a incredible chaos. And USA wasn't the winner.
2) Americans do not like to see the bodies of soldiers return home in coffins.
3) A war costs money, a lot of money. And USA is in a economic crisis.

Agreed on all points... But the second you understand that our "elected representatives" do not in any way represent us, you'll understand why these are not problems for anyone in DC.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMcVrfR69W8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMcVrfR69W8[/ame]

Do you believe Americans would understand/approve a war which would cost a lot of THEIR money, even if they are not concerned ?

LOL; it's like you don't even know that wars haven't been funded by tax dollars since the 1800s! All wars are funded strictly by inflating fiat currencies and selling war bonds. (Creating debt)

This is a major reason why bitcoiners are so passionate about bitcoin; if we used something truly finite as money instead of something that the central bankers could print infinite amounts of, there could no longer be any war! It's just too expensive now to get taxpayer support for a war unless each taxpayer can see that they personally are in danger.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

There was no propaganda needed, as I stated, everyone would've supported it when the revolution started.

No, you're wrong... an invasion of Syria back then would NOT have gotten support from the US public or UN. Plus you had Russia right here who would have most likely intervened, and they signaled this by sending warships to Syrian ports.

In 3 - 6 months from now when the US does actually invade Syria, they'll have support from both, the US public and UN in order to rid the world of ISIS, plus Russia will be working with one hand tied behind its back, since it's been vilified internationally so badly.

You don't see this? You think this is all happening naturally? You don't believe there's some groups / organizations pushing things a certain way to make them happen as they want?

And why would the US invade Syria, when there's a genuine direct threat from Russia in Europe at the moment?

Other way around, dude. The US got rid of the Russian threat due to Ukraine. Notice how Putin ended up on Times magazine recently as world enemy #1? Russian forces going in to protect the Syrian people from a US invasion would look pretty fucken bad at this point, wouldn't you agree? Especially since the US is just helping the world by ridding it of that evil ISIS regime.

They have to put up a little resistance, to protect their conquests, but it doesn't make sense to start a full blown war.

When has the US ever started a war that was justified? WWII I guess, but that's almost it. I guess Kosovo, but even that can be debated. Vietnam war was false flag, and well proven now.

Iraq invasion in 2003 was total horse shit and lies, and we know that now. Afghanistan in 2001 I guess is still debatable, because there's no solid proof, but I'm pretty confident that didn't make anyone any safer at all. Both, Libya and Egypt are now far worst off than then were before the US bombed the hell out of them, and the list can go on and on and on. We haven't even touched on the atrocities in Latin America yet.

And you're actually going to believe what the government says about ISIS? As the old saying goes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again, hoping for a different result. They've lied to us time and time and time again, so why you would ever believe this bullshit rhetoric is beyond me.