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Forget about it, IndustryPariah, like most fanatics doesn't read anything outside his dogma, most likely hasn't travelled either.

Therefore, he would not be able to see that Europeans are uniquely individualistic while Asians in general are highly collectivist across all countries. This of course implies a genetic base for the individual vs the collectivist, which surprise, the RealTalk chinese actually have studied.
 


rusvik said:
Therefore, he would not be able to see that Europeans are uniquely individualistic while Asians in general are highly collectivist across all countries. This of course implies a genetic base for the individual vs the collectivist, which surprise, the RealTalk chinese actually have studied.
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You really are outing yourself as a complete fucking idiot. There's no "genetic base" for individual and collectivist thinking in humans you dimwit. This is a learned behavior.
 
Industrypariah, like I originally said, the Chinese have most certainly contributed towards advancement in civilization. They just pale in comparison to those advancements made by Europeans. Who has contributed more towards civilization, Europeans or Chinese?
 
slayerment said:
Industrypariah, like I originally said, the Chinese have most certainly contributed towards advancement in civilization. They just pale in comparison to those advancements made by Europeans. Who has contributed more towards civilization, Europeans or Chinese?
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Is everything a dick waving contest for you? Fuck off.

What did you personally contribute towards the advancement of civilization? Jack fucking shit.

slayerment said:
Koji Kondo has probably the most memorable video game music out there. When you think Mario and Zelda you have to think Koji Kondo. His music is so catchy and so right for video games that he deserves to be one of the all time best video game composers.
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Industrypariah said:
You really are outing yourself as a complete fucking idiot. There's no "genetic base" for individual and collectivist thinking in humans you dimwit. This is a learned behavior.
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Lol, this is going to be great.

YOU are outing yourself as a typical leftist religious nutcase. And you don't need to do the verbal diareha against me, I don't care what words you call me. Problem is, without your curse words, you really have very little substance.

Back to the question: Is there a genetic basis for collectivism? I do want to explore that topic, but I'll ask you first: Is there a genetic basis for intelligence? If you answer no to that question, then I'll know that you are indeed a religious fanatic and so I will not answer for your sake but for others who are reading.
 
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Is there a genetic contribution to cultural differences? Collectivism, individualism and genetic markers of social sensitivity

Here, we review recent work that has demonstrated a robust cross-national correlation between the relative frequency of variants in these genes and the relative degree of individualism–collectivism in each population, suggesting that collectivism may have developed and persisted in populations with a high proportion of putative social sensitivity alleles because it was more compatible with such groups. Consistent with this notion, there was a correlation between the relative proportion of these alleles and lifetime prevalence of major depression across nations. The relationship between allele frequency and depression was partially mediated by individualism–collectivism, suggesting that reduced levels of depression in populations with a high proportion of social sensitivity alleles is due to greater collectivism. These results indicate that genetic variation may interact with ecological and social factors to influence psychocultural differences.
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Culture
Recent research has shown that geographical variability in historical and contemporary pathogen prevalence predicts variability in individualistic and collectivistic cultural norms (Fincher et al. 2008). That is, nations with greater historical and contemporary prevalence of disease-causing pathogens or infectious diseases (e.g. malaria, typhus and leprosy) are more likely to endorse collectivistic cultural norms, likely due to the anti-pathogen defence function that collectivistic norms may serve. Given the adaptive value of collectivistic cultural values, it is possible that increased pathogen prevalence in East Asian regions may be associated with increased collectivistic values due to genetic selection of the S allele of the serotonin transporter gene within collectivistic cultures.
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You're a fucking idiot IndustryPariah. I can smack you down at will intellectually as I could just as easily crush your pencil neck in real life.
 
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Genetic Components and Cultural Differences: The social sensitivity hypothesis | Replicated Typo

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Game, set, match?

Like if you agree I just bitch slapped IndustryPariah in about 2 minutes.
 
bluechinagroup said:
You're not doing shit with that fucked up back of yours son. Also you accused me of being an Internet tough guy, and now you're playing the Internet tough guy yourself by making physical threats when we're posting on an Internet forum thousands of miles apart.

I'll read this paper and get back to you later. This is new information that I wasn't aware of, and since it's a scholarly paper I'm willing to read and digest it.
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I didn't accuse you of being an internet tough guy, I accused you of being a cyber bully when it conflicted strongly with your very 'tolerant progressive' views.

Certainly, having lived for years in HK, you must have noticed that Chinese and Asians in general are a lot more collectivist than Westerners? I fail to see why such obvious differences need to be swept under the carpet.

People are different, so what? If you are a true humanist, then you won't think their lives have less value even if they are not the same.
 
rusvik said:
I didn't accuse you of being an internet tough guy, I accused you of being a cyber bully when it conflicted strongly with your very 'tolerant progressive' views.
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Fair enough.

rusvik said:
Certainly, having lived for years in HK, you must have noticed that Chinese and Asians in general are a lot more collectivist than Westerners? I fail to see why such obvious differences need to be swept under the carpet.
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It really depends. I've definitely encountered plenty of individualistic Hong Kongers. But people generally do tend to be more dependent on families and the family structure here. I can't say anything you're posting here is wrong, though Hong Kongers do question authority so they're not complete pushovers. I'll have to digest this paper too since this is new to me.

I think Japan is more collectivist than China and Hong Kong combined.
 
bluechinagroup said:
It really depends. I've definitely encountered plenty of individualistic Hong Kongers. But people generally do tend to be more dependent on families and the family structure here.

I think Japan is more collectivist than China and Hong Kong combined.
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I'm not just talking about family dependance, even though it likely plays an important part. As far as group orientation is concerned on a genetic basis, that obviously has to do with how many steps removed you are from someone in the wider outgroup. Northern Europeans married outside extended family since at least the early 1000s, unlike practically all others. This has the effect of spreading one's genes far and wide, which means a looser genetic affinity to one's close group, but a relatively stronger genetic link to the outgroup.

As for why the West makes so many cutting edge discoveries while Asia don't? Perhaps because Asian parents would have told their children to 'get a real job' a long time before they make it. I remember Asian affiliate marketers actually saying this out loud, that Asian culture didn't facilitate the independence needed to succeed in this biz.
 
rusvik said:
As for why the West makes so many cutting edge discoveries while Asia don't? Perhaps because Asian parents would have told their children to 'get a real job' a long time before they make it.
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Yeah I would definitely agree that many Asian parents do tell their children to "get a real job". There really isn't a tolerance for failure like there is in the US. But doesn't France have a similar lack of tolerance for failure? I suppose that's why it's ranked lower than US and UK.

What about Russia's ranking? Do you agree with it? It's lower than France.
 
bluechinagroup said:
Yeah I would definitely agree that many Asian parents do tell their children to "get a real job". There really isn't a tolerance for failure like there is in the US. But doesn't France have a similar lack of tolerance for failure? I suppose that's why it's ranked lower than US and UK.

What about Russia's ranking? Do you agree with it? It's lower than France.
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Each country has its own pecularities. Some have problems with alchohol, which is correlated to blue eyes for example.

I don't want to get into this more, because I actually hope that China can become a driving force for the good of humanity. We're all hopefully cheering them on to deliver the next Penicilin or energy source.

What I am concerned about is that the in vogue anti-western mindset is affecting me directly through high taxes to pay for the new 'white man's burden' which is foreign aid, open immigration, feminism and the like, all which contributes to making countries significantly less free, safe and enjoyable to live in.

I shudder to think how much of our productivity and wealth is wasted on such fanatic ideologies.
 
Just a side note... when you argue with BCG, you're essentially arguing with the guy who took down Yahoo and Myspace because he wanted them to give him an account back. And they did... Let that settle in for a moment.

So before you call him names or accuse him of not being more than a random internet person, recognize and respect just whom you're meddling with and what he's fully capable of doing if he chooses to.

Sorry BCG. I just couldn't hold it back no mo'. :)
 
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